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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIn a nation in which Anna Gunn, the TV actress
Who portrayed the wife of drug kingpin Walter White in the television show Breaking Bad, received death threats routinely because she was not supportive of her husband, WHO WAS A FICTIONAL CHARACTER, should it be any surprise that someone would take it into their own hands to assassinate a CEO of a major company?
We have proclaimed the anti-hero, the mobster, the drug kingpin, the paid assassin, as a positive personality through a variety of very, very clever, literary and dramatic devices over the years. Alfred Hitchcock actually got us rooting for a killer in the film Psycho and since then we have taken upon ourselves to side with Street justice in series and films such as Dexter, The Sopranos, Dirty Harry, The Godfather Trilogy, Goodfellas, the Death Wish films, and a whole host of copycats and original dramas.
It is actually based in Logic as a form of mathematics: If one assumes that traditional forms of justice and law enforcement are ineffectual and corrupt then one may conclude that any behavior may be acceptable to rectify a particular situation. In fact, the assumption in virtually all these examples is that with the occasional exception of the Feds, the existence of these individuals is tolerated due to bribery, yes, but also to the notion that these people police themselves more effectively than law enforcement can.
That is why individuals can grow up, be well-educated, well-raised, and well-fed and rationalize putting together a plot to kill someone whom they perceive as evil. Michael Corleone, his father, and his minions, Walter White and his associates, Henry Hill and his fellow mobsters, Dexter the serial killer of BAD PEOPLE ONLY, all essentially remain unprosecuted for their heinous crimes, and if theyre picked up, its on trivial charges relatively speaking.
So this miscreant graduate from a University from which I received my professional degree, taught, and was honored with two awards by the students for my instruction, took it upon himself to create a very short-lived entertainment series. And why not? Everyone hes ever watched on tv has been exonerated (and yes, I know that a finding of not guilty is not exoneration, but youve got an individual who is preparing to be the head of our Government using that term, so go no, tell these idiots about the distinction between the two terms) and so why not shoot this fellow IN THE BACK and leave him to die?
The ironic part of this is that if he had watched TV from my generation in the 50s and 60s, he wouldve known that there was no more vilified and cowardly act than to do exactly what he did. In the old westerns, shooting someone in the back condemned that individual to certain death in the TV show. No question about it, this individual, this cowardly perpetrator had to die. And so it shall be for this individual, whether rotting in jail for the next 60 years or the death penalty, if allowable.
This is the new ethos: this is a generation that wont listen to us, dont care about any traditional societal norms, reject the past, wont watch a black-and-white movie or TV show, call us boomers if we proffer a sentiment or thought which is not immediately hedonistic or satisfying, but has a moral context.
My generation endured assassinations of this sort: two Kennedys, Gandhi, Martin Luther King, Malcolm X, various foreign leaders, and numerous attempted assassinations, including George Wallace, who by any measure, might have cost Richard Nixon the 1972 election. We should not, nor should we ever be a government by assassination or a society which promotes this. But you know what? Its great cinema, its great TV. So dont hold your breath for any return to formal justice and traditional morality anytime soon.
Especially with the Pirate captain in the White House.
Vinca
(51,241 posts)2naSalit
(93,505 posts)To realize how many gullible people out there watch teevee and actually believe any of the entertainment reality shows are real. I've met a few and found that there is no way to convince them otherwise.
Terrifying.
newdeal2
(1,135 posts)I dont particularly get their motives or politics. Every generation complains about getting screwed over by the prior ones but this group seems worse.
I did see a Tiktok which made an interesting point. This generation has witnessed a number of mass school shootings and the adults basically said get over. No wonder they dont care about the CEO or shootings in general.
PCIntern
(27,015 posts)Life is valueless
mopinko
(71,969 posts)mine have done so, and many parents i know have suffered the same.
they have a warped sense of fairness, fersher.
bucolic_frolic
(47,615 posts)We are a country of "Go shove it!"
Elections are supposed to institutionalize the driving force of change like clockwork. Instead the rich have gamed the system by lying and buying everybody. Now we're in a real pickle.
I'm really asking, "What would Colonel Klink do?"
The answers are in the way fantasy - art - abstraction - drive the human collective mind.
Trump is a puppet. So is Vance. We just haven't figured out how to sell that to the voters.
Voltaire2
(14,879 posts)much at all about the revenge killing of one such CEO.
PCIntern
(27,015 posts)Until its your friend/family member who dissed someone at a stoplight or convenience store.
But really, I get it: I spent a career fighting these bastards at the insurance companies.
Random Boomer
(4,270 posts)I also don't care about the killing of a random CEO. Frankly, his death is the least of our problems.
KatyaR
(3,536 posts)"COPS," "Judge Judy," "Survivor," all of them. These shows promote violence and stupidity and provide viewers with examples of brutality and ignorance, as well as teaching people how to laugh and demean others.
And have you noticed how many TV shows and movies center on crime and violence? Crime and violence are now entertainment. People now have a front-row seat in the comfort of their homes to learn how to be crappy, cruel citizens.
I'm not saying go back to Mayberry and Walton Mountain, but entertainment doesn't lift us up any more, it buries us.
valleyrogue
(1,201 posts)Audiences were terrified and repelled by what Norman Bates did.
Prairie Gates
(3,571 posts)You're really not supposed to identify with any character in Goodfellas, nor are any of them standing in for some larger failure of justice.
Ultimately, the post tries to see something new in a very old trope: the "anti-hero" is a variation on the very old theme of what happens when accepted concepts and structures of justice fail. It's a pretty much universal theme in literature, visible particularly in Greek tragedy. The notion that this is a recent question or was inaugurated by Hitchcock's Psycho (a bizarre claim and a bizarre reading of the film, as you correctly point out) is just wrong.
That said, the overall point of the OP - that we've been trained by recent stories that take up variations on the theme to read Luigi Mangione a particular way - is probably correct, even if the details of the claim are overblown and often wrong.
PCIntern
(27,015 posts)The scene in which Norman Bates has placed his victim in the trunk of the car and is sinking the car in the swamp
The car stopped sinking, and the audience shares the anxiety of Norman, who is afraid that it will just stop. But after a moment, it begins again and is fully submerged.
At that point, the audience begins to have a certain relief and identification with him and a fear that he is going to be caught. This is not original with me, this has been discussed in film classes since 1960.
delisen
(6,581 posts)Inequality and injustice are the same killers they were in the Great Depression.
People are primarily citizens entitled to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness or they are just economic units in servitude to the rapacious pursuit of wealth by the few lawless individuals who refuse to recognize the humanity of the majority while lying, cheating. and stealing from the rest of us.
We live together in a society of human beings. We have the rights as humans to design an economic system that works for all of us, and promotes the the general welfare and the blessings of liberty for ourselves and our posterity.
Human beings are not things or tools of an economic system, an economic system is a tool used by human beings.
Iggo
(48,536 posts)kimbutgar
(23,616 posts)The Wizard
(12,941 posts)through living wage jobs would make us all more civilized.
As Bob Dylan wrote is his song "Like A Rolling Stone:" "When you ain't got nothing you got nothing to lose."
Desperate people make bad decisions . Reagan's union busting started the move to predatory capitalism leaving working class victims in its wake.
rubbersole
(8,712 posts)...steal a lot an they make you king."
tsf's theme song.
BattleRow
(1,256 posts)rubbersole
(8,712 posts)...which helped lionize Billy's reputation and villainze Pat Garrett.
Prairie Gates
(3,571 posts)rubbersole
(8,712 posts)Thanks!
Martin68
(24,735 posts)criminals seems to me to have increased during the lat 20 years. I can't help but think that may well have significantly erodes the belief that we should obey the law and let the justice system handle the arrest and trial of criminals. I confess there are a number of such shows that I regularly watch and enjoy. I believe there are also popular video games that could have the same effect.
dlk
(12,468 posts)There are too many Americans who are so rigid and inflexible, they believe they don't need to learn anything new, since they already know it all. Anything else isn't worth their time or attention, and they don't seem to realize how this hurts them.
hay rick
(8,322 posts)He doesn't have the intelligence, work ethic, or style to be the real thing.