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I sure have. See, I'm a smoker, I'm sorry to say. Many years ago, I stopped smoking indoors. Smokers' houses stink. These days, I have a second floor balcony deck, about 16' by 20', and that's where I go to smoke.
I live in a western suburb of the Twin Cities in Minnesota. Off about 10-12 miles to my east is MSP International airport. There are also three smaller airports nearby. My house is underneath both a departure and approach path for one of MSP airport's runways. So, when I'm out at night, I get to see lots of lights in the sky. Sometimes, there's noise, too, when airliners are departing or approaching MSP to and from western destinations.
Small private planes fly around here, too, along with the occasional helicopter and even some Air Force cargo planes from the National Guard base. Even at night, it's pretty busy up there. I like it. It's entertaining. We also have a lot of high-altitude air traffic, passing over the Twin Cities from other places.
At night, all of those things have lights on them. All of them. There are different lighting configurations, depending on the aircraft and what that aircraft is doing. I see landing lights, too, on airliners approaching MSP and sometimes on airliners leaving MSP. Often they come on or turn off near where I am. Red lights. Green lights, white lights. Blinking lights. All sorts of patterns.
Altitude matters. It's really difficult to guess what the altitude is of lights in the sky, frankly. High altitude planes with lights look like they're small and moving slowly, because they're like 5 or 6 miles above me. Are they planes or drones? Well, I don't always know what they are. They're far enough away that I can't always see the configuration of the lights. Just a blurry set of lights. They look slow, but they're going 500 mph.
Then there are satellites. They're out in orbit, going thousands of miles per hour, but seem slow-moving. I've even seen long strings of small communications satellites go by. In California, once, I saw the International Space Station fly over when I was out smoking on my parents' balcony.
My point? There are lots of lights in the sky in many places. If you're not out there often, you might not have seen them. It's surprising. There's always stuff flying around. I've learned to identify many of those lights. Sometimes, I use a pair of binoculars to get a closer look. Those are right at hand where I usually stand on the balcony.
What are people seeing? I have no freaking idea. I've seen some cell phone videos, but they're not much help. People can't hold their phones steady, so the lights they're following jump around. However, I've seen airliners, high-flying planes, helicopters and other flying things in those videos. Mostly out of focus and fuzzy. I recognize some of them, but most are unrecognizable.
Is it something to worry about? I don't think so. Come stand on my balcony in the evening a few times. You'll see them, too. I can tell you what most of them are. The one thing I don't see is drones. Those, I've only seen in the daytime, when some realtor or whatever is flying one around to take some video. At night, it's all commercial traffic in the sky, and there's lots of it.
Ocelot II
(121,513 posts)I figure almost all of those lights in the sky at night are plain old airplanes of various kinds. There could be some drones as well, now that the FAA has approved flying them at night as long as they have anti-collision lights that are visible for at least 3 miles. I live under the final approach path for MSP runway 12L, about 3 miles out, so the lights in the sky are pretty identifiable because they have loud sounds attached to them. I've never seen a drone but I have seen a lot of stars and constellations and satellites.
MineralMan
(148,008 posts)When we aren't clouded over, at least, and it's above zero degrees.
Most people don't go outside at night much to look at the sky. Most people would be surprised at how much is going on up there, especially in urban areas.
Attilatheblond
(4,569 posts)Lots of jets high up. Regular flights by NORAD jets way WAY up high, doing a perpetual gird pattern. I used to 'talk' to them, wish them well, peace, and clear skies, no incoming anything.
Watched planets, satellites, 'shooting stars', and auroras. Lots of action up there, even over the great wide open and very remote rural west.
But I also saw things I couldn't explain. Saw some of those when I was living in Southern California, where there is too much light and way too much air travel over head. Sometimes I would see something I could not explain. One time some fighter jets were chasing something. Well, they were trying but no way in hell could they keep up and match the movements of the object I could not explain and that defied physics as we understand now.
People need to turn off the lights and go outside. Get your local governments to use shielded street lights that stop light from going up and making the night sky too bright. Look up. Be amazed. Teach the kids about the sky, chances are you might have a local astronomy club and they often have sky watching open to the public, kids love that!
Ask the good people at your library if they know of groups that share telescopes and teach the sky. Our local library offers backpacks that can be checked out just like book. The packs contain some little books and stuff to help families have outdoor learning adventures. One of those backpacks is for astronomy adventures. Great stuff! If your library doesn't offer things like that, suggest it, go to library board meetings. Get involved! You'll make friends. Be challenged! Be flippin aware. Have a no TV night once a week, go outside, observe, learn. There are some great apps for phones, tablets, and laptops. It's fun and will help guard against fear born of not knowing what is going on up there! If you are a grandparent, what better way to build memories that can impact the kiddos' lives forever? Share stories and cocoa.
Here's a website some might enjoy: https://www.heavens-above.com/] You can specify your location and get info on what's overhead. It's fun and great if you have youngsters around.
I know there are LOTS of types of drones. Where I live now, there is a military instillation that trains drone pilots for those big, dangerous war drones. One day, driving out away from town, one drone pilot decided to play that we were a target. It was a bit unnerving.
Lots of people with various unmanned little drones. People who help others find lost dogs and cats; sort of invasive of privacy, but for a good cause. Realtors who send drones up to get overhead photos of properties for sale. People who map out various water channels, desertification, wildfires, wildlife, even people who help look for lost hikers or elders with dementia who tend to wander off, which can be life threatening here in summer. Also, there are a few really obnoxious people who just enjoy being pests. Lot of drones of various types.
Really looking forward to learning what these latest drone swarms back east are, but I don't expect them to turn out to be malevolent. Still, it would seem a safe bet that our laws and local ordinances should be looking into how to address regulation and keep up with the ever-changing drone technology. Might I suggest keeping an eye out for meetings of your local governing bodies and nudging them to start setting some rules and limits. What people can do as technology makes leaps could become dangerous without some regulations and enforcement of same.
Less hysteria, more facts, and some 'rules of the road' before someone resorts to shooting at things. What goes up comes back down, drones of bullets, it could get dangerous.
louis-t
(23,778 posts)They immediately go to "It's the gubmint spyin' on us!!!! It's the DEEP STATE!!! Git yer guns and shoot them down!!!"
Silent Type
(7,346 posts)MineralMan
(148,008 posts)Oh, well...
EYESORE 9001
(27,619 posts)I was especially intrigued by those on a polar orbit, i.e., south-to-north or vice versa.
Walleye
(36,439 posts)Theres always lots of lights flying around out there. We have an airport about 5 miles from here. And were close to Philadelphia international. Also lots of light plane enthusiasts. Ive seen some experimental planes in the sky. Im sure some of the lights are drones. And some of them are military since I live pretty close to President Biden, none of this worries me. I remember 9/11/2001, there was nothing in the sky in the next few days. I didnt like that at all.
hunter
(39,062 posts)It was three white lights moving across the sky in a braided pattern.
The leading light would drop back as the two rear lights alternately took its place.
I couldn't hear anything. I lost view of it when it passed behind trees.
I don't believe it was space aliens. It was either three quiet remote control vehicles just a few hundred feet away, or larger aircraft much further away.
It reminded me of another UFO sighting I made many years ago while jogging just before dawn. It was a dark triangle shape that did not look like any aircraft I was familiar with. I decided later it was a test of F-117 Nighthawk, back when it was still a secret.
Over the years I've seen military aircraft do all sorts of strange things.
GemDigger
(4,342 posts)I also have a sky app on my phone that helps identify planets, stars, constellations, satellites and space junk, lots and lots of space junk.
I am not worried, but I sure would like to know who is behind it.
republianmushroom
(18,179 posts)Ping Tung
(1,443 posts)allegorical oracle
(3,404 posts)the unbelievable "cold" full moon. It was like daylight in my world -- an icy, incredibly large beacon that for the moments made me forget my worries and believe we must take care of nature. The cold moon is so named because it only occurs occasionally in the December. Unlike the equally beautiful "Hunter" moon, which is huge but with a golden tint, this moon is almost pure snow white.
No drones.
ThoughtCriminal
(14,351 posts)I've seen things you people should believe. Space junk breaking up as it re-entered the atmosphere. high altitude balloons after sunset, Venus, Jupiter, meteors, rocket launches, birds, planes, drones, gyro-copters, military aircraft dropping flares, auroras, over-the-horizon lightning,...
I can say for certain that there are perfectly normal things in the sky that people unfamiliar with the sky will claim are "Impossible". And they can get quite defensive about - DU included.
There are something like 1.6 million registered drones in this country and some of the hundreds of thousands of operators are now getting some jollies "Freaking the mundanes".
We've seen this before. In 1997, there was a long-lasting hysteria in Arizona over the "Phoenix Lights".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenix_Lights
IcyPeas
(22,759 posts)mainer
(12,208 posts)You see them lined up in the sky, waiting in formation to land. An almost perfect line of bright dots. Anyone whos never looked up before would think its weird what a perfect formation theyre in, but those people just havent been paying attention.