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Botany

(72,667 posts)
Tue Dec 17, 2024, 09:27 AM Dec 17

So the Republicans were pushing a fake story about Joe Biden by a Ukrainian working for Russia*. ...

Last edited Tue Dec 17, 2024, 10:27 AM - Edit history (1)

… in order to hurt Joe Biden? Any doubts that they (the GOP) knew it was all based on lies? And doesn’t
this tie in with what Trump was impeached for the first time?

They truly are a terrorist party that is being protected by the wealthy, a dirty ass media
that is controlled by Republicans and tens of millions of mouth breathing sexist, racist, Christo
Fascist, mouth breathing dumb asses. We are truly fucked.


* Prosecutors alleged in court documents that Smirnov “had contact with foreign intelligence services, including Russian intelligence agencies.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/12/16/alexander-smirnov-pleads-guilty-hunter-biden/77022841007/

Btw looks like they will let him go back to Ukraine after his sentencing. I hope Zelenskyy shoots
his ass.

“He could be deported to Ukraine when the case is over.“

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No doubt this will get lots of attention from our liberal media.

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So the Republicans were pushing a fake story about Joe Biden by a Ukrainian working for Russia*. ... (Original Post) Botany Dec 17 OP
This would be a great story for an investigative journalist, if only there were any Walleye Dec 17 #1
Congressional Investigation. multigraincracker Dec 17 #3
Yes, but not from this Congress. Comer still trying to impeach Biden. Walleye Dec 17 #4
Check out Marcy Wheeler's pieces on Smirnov. She has been investigating and reporting on this for many months erronis Dec 17 #11
It's a shame she's not on ABC or one of the other networks Walleye Dec 17 #21
Mother Jones and The Nation Felicita Dec 17 #23
I'm shocked, shocked that Republicans like Jordan and Comer might lie surfered Dec 17 #2
Pisses me off, because they know damn well, Joe Biden took no bribes, ever Walleye Dec 17 #5
Just like the price of eggs stories. Botany Dec 17 #6
BEARING FALSE WITNESS - G.O.P. is guilty BoRaGard Dec 17 #7
They better watch out on posting the 10 Commandments in schools, that will end up backfiring on their Clouds Passing Dec 17 #8
The sad truth is that lying is working for them. surfered Dec 17 #9
The lies work when they are spread and shouted. The truth doesn't hurt them when it is exposed and buried. hay rick Dec 17 #17
Tried bringing this up. Kid Berwyn Dec 17 #10
EmptyWheel: David Weiss' Rush Job on Alexander Smirnov's Sentencing erronis Dec 17 #12
Of course they knew. We still dont understand what republicans are doing oldmanlynn Dec 17 #13
"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it." Goebbels Botany Dec 17 #14
Better than shooting him..... lastlib Dec 17 #15
Republican traitors have no shame. Emile Dec 17 #16
And they wrap themselves in God, Patriotism, the Flag, and family values as they shit on America, Botany Dec 17 #20
This came out in impeachment hearings that this guy was lying and being investigated for it. onecaliberal Dec 17 #18
they know their audience state of stupid Dec 17 #19
The Republican Party Mr.Bee Dec 17 #22

Walleye

(36,439 posts)
21. It's a shame she's not on ABC or one of the other networks
Tue Dec 17, 2024, 11:04 AM
Dec 17

Or at least on a newspaper. I have a feeling we Democrats are the only ones who read her.

surfered

(3,766 posts)
2. I'm shocked, shocked that Republicans like Jordan and Comer might lie
Tue Dec 17, 2024, 09:32 AM
Dec 17

Or believe in conspiracy theories.

Walleye

(36,439 posts)
5. Pisses me off, because they know damn well, Joe Biden took no bribes, ever
Tue Dec 17, 2024, 09:40 AM
Dec 17

There is a real purpose behind their lying. It’s not just conspiracy theories. It’s malicious.

Botany

(72,667 posts)
6. Just like the price of eggs stories.
Tue Dec 17, 2024, 09:44 AM
Dec 17

Never mind that > 100 million chickens have died or been put down because of Avian influenza
just keep pushing the lies.

BoRaGard

(3,200 posts)
7. BEARING FALSE WITNESS - G.O.P. is guilty
Tue Dec 17, 2024, 09:55 AM
Dec 17

They will rot in hell for eternity for having pissed on The Ten Commandments.

Clouds Passing

(2,740 posts)
8. They better watch out on posting the 10 Commandments in schools, that will end up backfiring on their
Tue Dec 17, 2024, 10:04 AM
Dec 17

sorry asses.

hay rick

(8,323 posts)
17. The lies work when they are spread and shouted. The truth doesn't hurt them when it is exposed and buried.
Tue Dec 17, 2024, 10:48 AM
Dec 17

Kid Berwyn

(18,366 posts)
10. Tried bringing this up.
Tue Dec 17, 2024, 10:07 AM
Dec 17
Why Rudy G, John Solomon, OAN, Fox Noise & Dip are in Deep Doo-Doo.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100215382580

Now Trump can pardon his co-conspirators in treason.

erronis

(17,181 posts)
12. EmptyWheel: David Weiss' Rush Job on Alexander Smirnov's Sentencing
Tue Dec 17, 2024, 10:23 AM
Dec 17
https://www.emptywheel.net/2024/12/17/david-weiss-rush-job-on-alexander-smirnovs-sentencing/
(Also see her many other posts on Smirnov at https://www.emptywheel.net/tag/alexander-smirnov/)

As I noted in an update to this post, Alexander Smirnov, the FBI informant who attempted to frame Joe Biden with bribery in 2020 as part of Bill Barr’s side channel for dirt on Hunter Biden, has pled guilty.

In his plea deal, Smirnov admitted,

The events Defendant first reported to the Handler in June 2020 were fabrications. In truth and fact. Defendant had contact with executives from Burisma in 2017, after the end of the Obama-Biden Administration and after the then-Ukrainian Prosecutor General had been fired in February 2016 — in other words, when Public Official 1 could not engage in any official act to influence U.S. policy and when the Prosecutor General was no longer in office. Defendant transformed his routine and unextraordinary business contacts with Burisma in 2017 and later into bribery allegations against Public Official 1, the presumptive nominee of one of the two major political parties for President, after expressing bias against Public Official 1 and his candidacy.


Yesterday, Judge Otis Wright accepted Smirnov’s plea.

I’ll have a more substantive post about how David Weiss, along with an absolutely supine media, appears to have buried the frame job to which he was a witness.

For now, I want to point to a notable feature of the plea: the timing of it. One of the terms of the deal was that Smirnov agree to be sentenced within 30 days of his plea colloquy, but not before January 8.

3. Defendant agrees to:

a. At the earliest opportunity requested by the SCO-W and provided by the Court, appear and plead guilty to:

i. Count Two of the indictment in United States v. Alexander Smirnov, 2:24-CR-00091-ODW, which charges defendant with causing the creation of a false and fictitious record in a federal investigation, in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 1519 (hereafter the “obstruction of justice indictment”).

ii. Counts One, Five and Eight, of the indictment in United States v Alexander Smirnov, 2:24-CR-00702-ODW, which charges the defendant with tax evasion for tax years 2020, 2021 and 2022, in violation of 26 U.S.C. § 7201 (hereafter the “tax evasion indictment”).

b. Request that the Court sentence the defendant within 30 days of entry of the entry of his guilty pleas, but not sooner than January 8,2025

oldmanlynn

(514 posts)
13. Of course they knew. We still dont understand what republicans are doing
Tue Dec 17, 2024, 10:28 AM
Dec 17

Republicans like Russia will constantly push fake disinformation. If they repeat it enough it becomes true to a large population of people who dont stay well informed. This is probably 60-80 percent of electorate.

Dems have to start finding a way to counter misinformation in a way where it doesn’t consume all their time.

Botany

(72,667 posts)
14. "If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it." Goebbels
Tue Dec 17, 2024, 10:37 AM
Dec 17

They are doing the same thing with our election results too. No way Trump won fairly.

We are way down the rabbit hole now.

lastlib

(24,988 posts)
15. Better than shooting him.....
Tue Dec 17, 2024, 10:42 AM
Dec 17

put him on the front line without a weapon. Let him die scared shitting in his pants.

Botany

(72,667 posts)
20. And they wrap themselves in God, Patriotism, the Flag, and family values as they shit on America,
Tue Dec 17, 2024, 10:58 AM
Dec 17

… the truth, democracy, and just decency. Every time they or their stooges mentioned the Ukrainian
Company Burisma they were knowingly lying just like the threat from transgender people they were
and still lying and passing on Russian misinformation.

BTW one of the best persons I have ever known was Ray Shafer former Governor of Pennsylvaniand he was a Republican too.

onecaliberal

(36,351 posts)
18. This came out in impeachment hearings that this guy was lying and being investigated for it.
Tue Dec 17, 2024, 10:50 AM
Dec 17

Old news.

state of stupid

(30 posts)
19. they know their audience
Tue Dec 17, 2024, 10:53 AM
Dec 17

They have been fine tuning the art of knowing their audience and how to manipulate them as well as
divide and conquer since Nixon.

Mr.Bee

(429 posts)
22. The Republican Party
Tue Dec 17, 2024, 11:40 AM
Dec 17

Did not found this nation.
They came into being during 1854 by anti-slavery activists who opposed allowing potential extension of slavery to the western territories.
The party supported classical liberalism and economic reform geared to industry, supporting investments in manufacturing, railroads, and banking.
It has been bastardized over the years by The Kochs, Reagan, Murdoch, Bush and Trump.
Anyone supporting it should know what they are supporting.
The Wealthy. The Privileged. The Entitled.
Their Freedom. Not Yours.

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