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AOC post on Bluesky a few minutes ago: Tried my best. Sorry I couldn't pull it through everyone - we live to fight (Original Post) highplainsdem Dec 17 OP
The gerontocracy must end. Nt Fiendish Thingy Dec 17 #1
It's not only the gerontocracy choie Dec 17 #3
The CPC has 100 members Fiendish Thingy Dec 17 #12
Maybe, just maybe.... . getagrip_already Dec 17 #2
Who is she supposed to have kicked over the past three displacedvermoter Dec 17 #4
We appear to hear different versions of the news getagrip_already Dec 17 #5
What terms are you referring to? displacedvermoter Dec 17 #6
No different versions of reality SocialDemocrat61 Dec 17 #8
Here are some elected Democrats who, unlike AOC, actually recently did try to undermine our Party leader (Biden) Celerity Dec 17 #25
Instead of making snarky comments, perhaps providing an actual example TBF Dec 17 #9
Google can be your friend... getagrip_already Dec 17 #10
Yes Google is your friend SocialDemocrat61 Dec 17 #11
All later.... getagrip_already Dec 17 #14
So old stuff SocialDemocrat61 Dec 17 #16
We all know what you're talking about. The very things they Nixie Dec 17 #17
What's wrong with link SocialDemocrat61 Dec 17 #19
It would be a violation of forum rules getagrip_already Dec 17 #20
Links are a violation SocialDemocrat61 Dec 17 #21
Lets just accept ive been on this sight for a minute or two... getagrip_already Dec 17 #23
I've seen many posts SocialDemocrat61 Dec 17 #24
Why not? Back up what you said. Emile Dec 17 #22
Have you though - the insinuations against AOC TBF Dec 17 #18
Who are you talking about? Fiendish Thingy Dec 17 #13
That's precisely the attitude we all need to take peggysue2 Dec 17 #7
"Young wolves, show us your teeth." John Steinbeck speaking to Soviet students back in the 6os. Ping Tung Dec 17 #15
Thank you AOC - Fight the Power!! walkingman Dec 17 #26
Knr UTUSN Dec 17 #27
AOC gives me hope Granny Blue Dec 17 #28
She lost to another extremely progressive member with more expierence. bottomofthehill Dec 17 #29

choie

(4,705 posts)
3. It's not only the gerontocracy
Tue Dec 17, 2024, 01:15 PM
Dec 17

This is on Hakeem Jefferies as well. Anything to remain status quo.

Fiendish Thingy

(18,820 posts)
12. The CPC has 100 members
Tue Dec 17, 2024, 02:47 PM
Dec 17

A revolt by the caucus could destroy the Democratic Party, or transform it.

getagrip_already

(17,564 posts)
2. Maybe, just maybe.... .
Tue Dec 17, 2024, 01:10 PM
Dec 17

Those who kick the leader of their own party ceaslessly for three years over every pet progressive issue he wasnt supporting aggressively enough, might want to reconsider that behavior in the future.

Just saying.

displacedvermoter

(3,240 posts)
4. Who is she supposed to have kicked over the past three
Tue Dec 17, 2024, 01:19 PM
Dec 17

years? Which leader are you referring to -- President Biden, the Minority Leader, the Speaker Emerita? -- because if you are talking about the President nobody was more loyal and supportive than AOC.

Another knee-jerk attack on someone who has become a very loyal party leader. Just saying, too.

Pet progressive issues, eh?

getagrip_already

(17,564 posts)
5. We appear to hear different versions of the news
Tue Dec 17, 2024, 01:31 PM
Dec 17

I would hardly use those terms. Leader i certainly dont use.

Celerity

(46,869 posts)
25. Here are some elected Democrats who, unlike AOC, actually recently did try to undermine our Party leader (Biden)
Tue Dec 17, 2024, 05:08 PM
Dec 17

on a crucial issue he (and the majority of other Dems in the House and Senate) championed.

They are all on the other end of the Democratic House caucus ideological spectrum than AOC is, so I would posit you probably should not expect to hear about their actual anti-Biden legislative actions/attempts from an AOC critic:

4 centrist Democrats tried to scupper Biden's pharma cost reductions

Democrats Josh Gottheimer (NJ), Wiley Nickel (NC), Scott Peters (CA), and Donald Davis (NC) are all co-sponsored at least one of multiple bills that would stifle regulators’ ability to bring down prices of drugs covered by the Medicare. The bills would significantly reduce or outright block the drug price reduction framework contained in Biden's 2022 Inflation Reduction Act.

3 of the 4 are No Labels' Problem Solvers Caucus members, with Gottheimer being the co-chair, and the 4th, Davis, was the lone Democratic co-sponsor of a bill by Rethugs Greg Murphy and Brett Guthrie that significantly weakens Medicare's ability to lower prices:

The lone Democrat willing to weaken Medicare’s power to negotiate drug prices

https://www.statnews.com/2024/02/05/democrat-weaken-medicare-drug-price-negotiation/


All 4 are in the moderate/centrist New Democrat Coalition, and Nickel and Gottheimer are also in the conservative Blue Dog Coalition.


One of the bills, the Optimizing Research Progress Hope and News (ORPHAN) Cures Act, would exclude vital drugs for many diseases from the price reduction process.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/5539/text?s=1&r=88


Two other bills,

the Maintaining Investments in New Innovation (MINI) Act

https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/5547

and the Ensuring Pathways to Innovative Cures (EPIC) Act,

https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/7174/cosponsors?s=7&r=1

would delay or block the price reduction apparatus for many other drugs.


TBF

(34,761 posts)
9. Instead of making snarky comments, perhaps providing an actual example
Tue Dec 17, 2024, 01:48 PM
Dec 17

with citation would help. You indicated "those who kick the leader of their own party". Define "those" and define "leader" please. Let's see some concrete facts.

getagrip_already

(17,564 posts)
10. Google can be your friend...
Tue Dec 17, 2024, 02:09 PM
Dec 17

Just ask it any question.

You will get citations from the 2020 primaries through early to mid 2024.

I for one will stay within community guidelines.

getagrip_already

(17,564 posts)
14. All later....
Tue Dec 17, 2024, 03:36 PM
Dec 17

I said 3 years. I can come up with opposite links through october '24 though.

Just not going to post them.

Nixie

(17,413 posts)
17. We all know what you're talking about. The very things they
Tue Dec 17, 2024, 04:13 PM
Dec 17

claim to say they admire her for are now the things they need links to.

getagrip_already

(17,564 posts)
20. It would be a violation of forum rules
Tue Dec 17, 2024, 04:38 PM
Dec 17

And a sure fire jury violation. Been there, seen that.

No reason to do that. Im not attacking a dem. Im just making a rec for future behavior of potential party activists.



getagrip_already

(17,564 posts)
23. Lets just accept ive been on this sight for a minute or two...
Tue Dec 17, 2024, 04:56 PM
Dec 17

Ive seen a few things.

But lets play a thought game.

Someone posts a link to a story in a major pub where dem a criticizes dem b over some hot button issue.

Ok, looks innocent, right? Just a link to an article by a respected journalist.

But it violates the rule of not attacking dem b by posting the attack, or by spreading rw talking points. Someone could also argue you are attacking dem a by saying they are attacking dem b unfairly over the issue because reasons.

So you find yourself juried and depending on the luck of the draw you could get a ride on the pine keyboard.

But i wasnt talking about anyone specific actually. There was a general trend. Lots of our pols were in the trend.

SocialDemocrat61

(3,071 posts)
24. I've seen many posts
Tue Dec 17, 2024, 05:05 PM
Dec 17

about dems critical of other dems here. As long as the links were not to right wing sources link FAUX or Newsmax, there's no violation.

peggysue2

(11,520 posts)
7. That's precisely the attitude we all need to take
Tue Dec 17, 2024, 01:35 PM
Dec 17

You win some, you lose some, then stand up to fight another day. Or as Hillary Clinton reminded us:

It's not about falling down. We all fall down. It's all about the way you get up, dust yourself off, and then go on.

AOC is a force to be reckoned with, a young woman who has matured in the job. She'll enter the fray again. She'll be fiercer and ready to jump any obstacle.

Again.

Because she's young, passionate and made for this sort of struggle, even when it looks overwhelming. Or perhaps more precisely because it looks so overwhelming.

Time and energy are on her side.

Ping Tung

(1,443 posts)
15. "Young wolves, show us your teeth." John Steinbeck speaking to Soviet students back in the 6os.
Tue Dec 17, 2024, 03:41 PM
Dec 17

Granny Blue

(35 posts)
28. AOC gives me hope
Tue Dec 17, 2024, 07:45 PM
Dec 17

That my grandsons will still have a country to live in. I may be a boomer, but I hope I live long enough to dance on the gerontocracy’s grave. And in my next life, I want to be like her!

bottomofthehill

(8,884 posts)
29. She lost to another extremely progressive member with more expierence.
Tue Dec 17, 2024, 07:46 PM
Dec 17

No shame, no problem. She should continue to grow and learn, soon enough she will be in leadership rolls.

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