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FrankTC

(236 posts)
Wed Dec 18, 2024, 07:35 PM Dec 2024

Stock Market Sending A No-Confidence Signal

The evisceration of the Dow today, after a 9-day losing streak, cannot be interpreted as investors feeling optimistic about the future. Especially since the Fed's prediction of only two interest rate cuts next year suggest a concern that inflation will not subside. Indeed the Fed raised its forecast of end-of-2025 inflation nearly a half point, clearly taking into account economists' expectations for the combined effects of tariffs and tax cuts. Way to go, Donnie! He hasn't even been sworn in yet and the rubble is already accumulating.

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Stock Market Sending A No-Confidence Signal (Original Post) FrankTC Dec 2024 OP
A crash The Madcap Dec 2024 #1
Having Trump as president is like being in a body without an immune system... Yavin4 Dec 2024 #13
A 2.5% drop isn't even considered a correction Fiendish Thingy Dec 2024 #2
That's true for the Dow -- other indexes are up at varying rates. But the key point is that this 2.5% comes on top of 9 spooky3 Dec 2024 #6
I'm not worried Fiendish Thingy Dec 2024 #9
The Dow reacts to possible govt shutdown: spooky3 Dec 2024 #12
Ageed The Madcap Dec 2024 #15
Aftermarket is up Turbineguy Dec 2024 #3
Ten of the last eleven recessions B.See Dec 2024 #4
Trump is breeding uncertainty into the market and traders hate that. Tariffs, deportations all affect business ZonkerHarris Dec 2024 #5
I presume that the rise after the election was in anticipation of tax cuts Trekologer Dec 2024 #16
the smartest people don't realize just how utterly stupid Donald Trump actually is in real life. Big Rock dumb. ZonkerHarris Dec 2024 #18
As of now, we're looking at a likely Federal Government shutdown which will last at least a month Wiz Imp Dec 2024 #7
This is an expected pullback, although made deeper by Elon's last minute ratf*ckery on the CR jmbar2 Dec 2024 #8
I'm watching the Australian stock market closely. Aussie105 Dec 2024 #10
Don't you mean Ruble? JMCKUSICK Dec 2024 #11
Your Snarky McSnark-Snark is NOT appreciated! Aussie105 Dec 2024 #14
trump will just fire them all, order interest rates to 0, and say these is no inflation Takket Dec 2024 #17
 

Yavin4

(37,182 posts)
13. Having Trump as president is like being in a body without an immune system...
Wed Dec 18, 2024, 09:56 PM
Dec 2024

and you're not taking any medication or measures to protect yourself. Nope, you're out there in the wind and any pathogen can kill you. Any foreign or domestic adverse event can cause us to collapse because we have absolute fools running important areas of the govt.

Fiendish Thingy

(19,023 posts)
2. A 2.5% drop isn't even considered a correction
Wed Dec 18, 2024, 07:52 PM
Dec 2024

The market is still up 12.5% for the year, and there’s still two weeks to go.

We shall see.

spooky3

(37,265 posts)
6. That's true for the Dow -- other indexes are up at varying rates. But the key point is that this 2.5% comes on top of 9
Wed Dec 18, 2024, 09:19 PM
Dec 2024

consecutive prior declines. It usually doesn't help to look at one day in isolation. Two weeks ago, the Dow was over 45000. Now it's nearing 42000--more than a 6.5% drop in two weeks. And Trump wants to take credit for any good economic news. Well then, he owns this drop, too.

Fiendish Thingy

(19,023 posts)
9. I'm not worried
Wed Dec 18, 2024, 09:36 PM
Dec 2024

After an extended period of record setting highs, A drop has been expected for some time now.

The Madcap

(1,076 posts)
15. Ageed
Wed Dec 18, 2024, 10:46 PM
Dec 2024

But it is the incompetence in the incoming cabal that I think will cause the downturn.

Turbineguy

(38,935 posts)
3. Aftermarket is up
Wed Dec 18, 2024, 07:57 PM
Dec 2024

I'm back to where I was in September.

You know, back when we were winning the election.

B.See

(5,012 posts)
4. Ten of the last eleven recessions
Wed Dec 18, 2024, 08:02 PM
Dec 2024

Happened under a Republican administration.

Yet bamboozled voters keep putting faith in their leading a strong economy.

Afterwhich Democrats have to come in and clean up THEIR mess.

Only this time, there may be no afterwhich.

Because ignorance is BLISS.

 

ZonkerHarris

(25,577 posts)
5. Trump is breeding uncertainty into the market and traders hate that. Tariffs, deportations all affect business
Wed Dec 18, 2024, 08:07 PM
Dec 2024

and until they know, doubters will win

Trekologer

(1,075 posts)
16. I presume that the rise after the election was in anticipation of tax cuts
Wed Dec 18, 2024, 11:10 PM
Dec 2024

But the slide over the past couple days was realization that Trump actually intends to go through with all the destructive stuff that people convinced themselves was just bluster.

 

ZonkerHarris

(25,577 posts)
18. the smartest people don't realize just how utterly stupid Donald Trump actually is in real life. Big Rock dumb.
Thu Dec 19, 2024, 01:22 AM
Dec 2024

Wiz Imp

(4,592 posts)
7. As of now, we're looking at a likely Federal Government shutdown which will last at least a month
Wed Dec 18, 2024, 09:20 PM
Dec 2024

I can't imagine the stock market will respond overly positively to that.

jmbar2

(6,754 posts)
8. This is an expected pullback, although made deeper by Elon's last minute ratf*ckery on the CR
Wed Dec 18, 2024, 09:30 PM
Dec 2024

The market is cyclic and has pullbacks on a pretty predictable timeframe. This has been expected by those who follow market cycles.

Another factor is that Powell said the Fed will not be buying crypto. The CryptoBros have been pumping the market with the idea of the Strategic BitCoin Reserve. Powell's statement was a bit of a rug pull for crypto stocks.

Once the shock wears off, it will shoot back up. Then Trump will take credit for it.

Here is a clip from a cycle analyst (see 8 minute mark)



Aussie105

(6,931 posts)
10. I'm watching the Australian stock market closely.
Wed Dec 18, 2024, 09:44 PM
Dec 2024

Why I hear you ask?
Just that my retirement pot of gold is closely tied to it, a 2% drop in the ASX200 reliably translates to an AU $3K drop.

It was going well - too well - earlier in the financial year, and I was expecting a downturn to start a few weeks back.

Well, it is happening at the moment.

This may be just a pre Xmas slump, or the start of a 10% correction.
Or worse.
Time will tell.

Unfortunately the stock markets hate unpredictability, and usually expect the worst.

Aussie105

(6,931 posts)
14. Your Snarky McSnark-Snark is NOT appreciated!
Wed Dec 18, 2024, 10:11 PM
Dec 2024

Trump is already costing me money, and I'm not even in America and he isn't POTUS yet!
How much worse will it get?

Takket

(22,930 posts)
17. trump will just fire them all, order interest rates to 0, and say these is no inflation
Wed Dec 18, 2024, 11:12 PM
Dec 2024

and the media will report that and people will believe it, as their grocery bill skyrockets.

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