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DFW

(56,897 posts)
Fri Dec 20, 2024, 04:35 AM Dec 20

The Democrats Abroad have been fighting for this for MANY years. So who finally comes to help?

Of all the countries on this planet, there are two left that do not recognize residence-based taxation. That means their citizens abroad must file tax returns in both countries, and hope that the tax authorities in both countries operate under rules that eliminate double taxation. It sometimes works (with me it does not).

The two countries left that do NOT recognize residence-based taxation (RBT) are Eritrea and the United States of America. With the importance of business support staff, management, teachers, technicians, physicians, long-term students, or just Amweicans who married foreigners who feel better living in their own countries--plus a lot of etc., you'd think this would have addressed, after decades of pleas, long ago.Millions of Americans are subjected to excessive accountants' fees just to be in legal complaince with overlapping and contradicting rules in place in both countries.

One of the pronlems in getting the issue addressed has been deliberate mass ignorance in Congress. When I asked Sen. Brown (D-Ohio) how many Americans abroad he thought there were, he estimated 250,000 to 300,000. No wonder no one paid any attention to the issue. There are about NINE MILLION Americans living abroad. If we were a State, we'd be right in the middle, population-wise. 25th or 26th. I have heard the mocking comments about American "millyonayahs and billyonayahs living tax-free on yachts moored in Grand Cayman or Monte Carlo." For all I know, there might even be one or two. But even if there are, you can bet they can hire trouble-shooting accountants to protect them, and even so, that's less people than I have fingers on my left hand. There are nine million of the rest of us. Maybe we don't merit mention in some speech clip that will be shown on MSNBC, but we're here all the same.

Now, after all the many years of trying to get some relief from all the extra bureaucracy and accountants' fees, the Democrats Abroad finally have announed that someone in Congress has introduced a Residence-Based Taxation bill in Congress. If passed, not only would it put us on an even level with the rest of the world, it would ease the double filing burden for those millions of us that have had to live with it since the moment we had a foreign residence. Our politicians waste no time in asking us for money (RUSH a countribution!), pretty much constantly. But for the nine million os us Abroad, they make it pretty damned difficult to have that kind of money to spare. Because of unreconciled holes in the Double Taxation Treaty between Germany and the USA, I am double-taxed on much of my income, and am asked to pay about 73% in income taxes between Germany and the USA. I could live with the de-facto 50% rate the Germans impose, even knowing that I get ZERO of the benefits German taxpayers get back from their country. No health insurance or anything else. Just "give us your money and shut up." But, OK, I get to live with the amazing woman who married me, and that is worth every cent.

The one thing that floored me, though. After decades of making noise, the hundreds of thousands (over the years) contributed to Democrats and Democratic causes. Who finally finds the guts to take the initial step to ride to our rescue? Who finally, after all these years, introduces a bill introducing residence-based taxation?

https://www.democratsabroad.org/new_residency_based_tax_bill_introduced?utm_campaign=rbt_bill_emea_cc2&utm_medium=email&utm_source=democratsabroad

A Republican???

That's a bitter pill to swallow! Of course, we Democrats Abroad are glad to crow about some success and some progress. It would just be nice if we got a little support from our own side for once.

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GoneOffShore

(17,646 posts)
1. The email from Democrats Abroad about this Republican sponsored bill astonished me.
Fri Dec 20, 2024, 05:08 AM
Dec 20

Sorry that you are being whacked by Germany.

Now if they can raise the FATCA reporting limit that would be a good thing. 10,000$US is way too low.

DFW

(56,897 posts)
7. There are a lot of things on the books that are just antiquated.
Sat Dec 21, 2024, 09:10 AM
Saturday

The $10K threshhold is about as realistic as the $7.25 minimum wage. Bui they both still stand.

DFW

(56,897 posts)
8. To some, it won't make any difference at all. But to literally millions of us, it does make a difference.
Sat Dec 21, 2024, 09:14 AM
Saturday

Just wait for the next chapter: Residents of Connecticut will say they live in a foreign country, such as Texas, and only come home for "brief" nine month visits.

JT45242

(2,997 posts)
3. Not quite accurate...
Fri Dec 20, 2024, 06:47 AM
Dec 20

The first approximately $125k earned overseas is not taxable income for this year.

Snip below
However, you may qualify to exclude your foreign earnings from income up to an amount that is adjusted annually for inflation ($107,600 for 2020, $108,700 for 2021, $112,000 for 2022, and $120,000 for 2023)."
https://www.irs.gov/individuals/international-taxpayers/foreign-earned-income-exclusion#:~:text=However%2C%20you%20may%20qualify%20to,%2C%20and%20%24120%2C000%20for%202023)."

Been looking at teaching overseas and this is a big deal to me. The pay cut from what I do now to going back to the classroom is partially offset by not having income tax on that salary which will be below the threshold.

DFW

(56,897 posts)
5. Very accurate. My income is not earned overseas.
Fri Dec 20, 2024, 02:21 PM
Dec 20

All of my income is earned in the United States.

DeepWinter

(594 posts)
4. Somethings not right
Fri Dec 20, 2024, 07:08 AM
Dec 20

I lived in Japan 3 years and being not a Japanese citizen didn't pay Japanese taxes, and living abroad working for a Japanese company, didn't pay US taxes. I even asked the US Embassy and they said I was in the clear.

DFW

(56,897 posts)
6. You might have qualified for the several "ifs."
Fri Dec 20, 2024, 02:33 PM
Dec 20

If your income is all in the country of residence, is received as salary and/or compensation there, from a local employer, is under the limit where double taxation kicks in (I think it’s up to $125,000 now), THEN the embassy was right. If you check none of the wrong boxes, you should be OK.

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