Everyone has an Achilles heel. What is Musk's?

[Irish_Dem]

An Achilles heel is a weakness or vulnerability that can lead to failure.

What is Musk's Achilles heel?

[NameAlreadyTaken]

1. Greed kills its host.

[Irish_Dem]

2. Musk is addicted to drugs, money, and power.

Yes this might be his downfall.

[dchill]

29. I think his biggest addiction is himself.

[Irish_Dem]

33. Yes this is his obvious narcissistic personality disorder.

His love of self, grandiosity, needs to be the center of attention.
His immaturity and self focus.

[yardwork]

78. Overreach might be his downfall.

Musk thinks he's the smartest person in the world. He thinks he's unstoppable, and he'll soon be the wealthiest (known) person in the world. However, I don't think he's really that smart. He's audacious and he's lucky.

Maybe he'll go too far and it will crash down on him.

[Irish_Dem]

81. Yes good point. His grandiose ambition exceeds his talents and abilities.

His self view is quite distorted and he may be facing reality quite soon.

[yardwork]

87. There used to be a group of docs who analyzed the deaths of historical figures.

I don't know if they still do it. Mostly for fun, they tried to figure out from historical records, what caused the deaths of famous people. One year they'd do Alexander the Great, etc.

I was fascinated by their analysis of George Custer. They decided he might have had Narcissistic Personality Disorder. Contemporary records talked about his flamboyant dress, he's egotistical behavior, and his tendency to do reckless things. He ordered his men into a crazy situation that was doomed to fail, because he was convinced he couldn't be wrong. Apparently he'd done it before, but it finally caught up to him.

[C_U_L8R]

3. (lack of) self-awareness

And drugs.

[Irish_Dem]

5. Yes he also appears to be mentally ill.

This along with drug addiction is not a good combination.

[rampartd]

19. musk is ketamine.

i have no idea what that does to you, but he probably won't hire anyone who fails a urinalysis.

rfk jr thinks heroin helped him study. you could't prove it by his public health policy.

most of the proud boys and such look like they are on meth and/or opiates

if don jr and guilfoyle are not on coke i'd be surprised

are we up against a horde of drugged out zombies?

[Irish_Dem]

21. Yes, Trump's crime syndicate is full of drug addicts/substance abusers.

Usually crime organizations discourage their leaders from using the drugs they sell.

Trump gravitates to rich, entitled, spoiled, nepo babies who use drugs like other people breathe.

Yes for sure Don Jr and Guifoyle are serious coke addicts.
Every video I see of them, they are high as kites.

I suspect RFKjr may still be using something.

Don't forget the steroid abusers like MTG.

When the WH drug list during Trump's presidency was released, my eyes popped out of my head.
I was astounded at the drug list, the huge amount of controlled substances handed out like candy.
I also noted that quite a few of the drugs being handed out could be used as date rape drugs.

[rampartd]

23. i didn't even think of the "date rape" stuff

dear leader himself is said to take adderall, or

maybe he did hang out at studio 54 for a decade without drinking or taking drugs lololololololol who believes that bs

and how about the stepford eyes on those tradwives. must be momma's BIG helper.

but, my new maga governor wants to stop my prescription cannabis and i have to stop anyway in case someone decides to answer my resume .

[Irish_Dem]

30. Yes I noticed all the date rape drugs right away on the WH drug list.

Trump is a reported huge cocaine addict back in the day.
Now he snorts adderall, which is also a strong stimulant.

Sure, he ran around with the rich cocaine set and Epstein and there were no drugs.
Sure.

Don Jr uses coke like there is no tomorrow.

Yes good point about all the drugged out Trump stepford wives.
All their plastic surgeries and hair extensions. They use drugs to cope.

Trump's first wife was said to be a hopeless alcoholic. No one was surprised she
fell down the stairs and died.

[jmowreader]

146. Trump knows drug addicts are easy to control

[Irish_Dem]

147. Guess Trump is going to need a huge White House drug list again.

[wnylib]

64. And yet they claim to protect the country from drugs coming in over the border

The hypocrisy is almost enough to wonder if they want to corner the drug market, too.

[yardwork]

89. Every accusation is a confession.

[wnylib]

97. The psychology of that is interesting.

It's as if they deny, even to themselves, their own need for drugs, and express that denial by attacking others who use drugs.

Maybe they believe that their money separates them from the street user. It's like saying, "I'm not like those losers. I'm important and powerful. Drugs are just fun for me, but the losers are hooked on them."

It's like an alcoholic businessman who uses his business dinners and parties as cover for drinking. He sees himself as a social drinker and despises the destitute guy on the street corner begging for money to buy a bottle of cheap wine.

They have the same problem. Only money separates them. But the one with money detaches himself/herself from the poorer user through projection and contempt.

[AZJonnie]

110. Similar mentality goes into their homophobia and why at this point we kinda assume the loudest ones

are the ones with repressed desires.

[wnylib]

114. I think that is especially evident in JD Vance's

dogmatic approach to heterosexual marriage and subjugation of women.

He can't accept himself so turns himself into the great defender of a caricature of what he thinks he should be.

[yardwork]

119. I'm not sure what's up with Vance but he's definitely miserable.

He definitely doesn't like being a married straight man with kids. I'm not sure if he's gay or what but he's not living his best life, that's for sure.

I read that he was raised Catholic. There are some very extreme repressive Catholic sects in Ohio. No idea if that's relevant, but could be.

[spapeggy]

122. He probably can't stop comparing himself

To his legacy classmates at Yale who he suspects called him white trash behind his back.

[wnylib]

125. I didn't know that Vance was raised Catholic.

I thought that his childhood religious experience was Fundamentalist Protestant and he converted to Catholicism later.

I have known a couple of gay men who tried to conform to religious expectations on sexuality. One of them was a guy that I'll call "Joe." I knew Joe decades ago, back when I was 18. My then boyfriend and I double dated with him and his girlfriend, both of whom were Catholic. My boyfriend told me once that he thought that Joe might be gay because he seemed indifferent to women when other guys talked about them. I shrugged it off as idle gossip.

Decades later, after moving out of state, I encountered Joe when in my home town visiting relatives. He was openly gay, had a husband, and was well established and respected as a ranking member of the police department.

The other closet gay is someone that I knew as a co-worker years ago. He was a religious fundamentalist who seemed miserable in his marriage. He was misogynistic toward his wife and other women, maybe out of resentment for feeling pressured into a way of life that he didn't like? I don't know. The marriage ended when he found a boyfriend and skipped town.

Vance reminds me of the guy in that second couple, except that Vance doubles down on the religion and misogynistic attitudes toward women.

[yardwork]

126. Could be. I'm glad that your friend Joe found happiness and his authentic self.

Sometimes people don't know what's wrong.

You are probably right about his upbringing - my knowledge about it is very hazy.

[wnylib]

128. Yes, I was happy for Joe when I ran into him.

We chatted for a few minutes. I was with a woman who worked in the same municipal building as Joe and knew him. Later, she asked me how I knew him. When I told her that Joe and his girlfriend had double dated with my boyfriend and me back in our late teens, she was surprised. I just said that, obviously, he was not "out" back then.

[Texin]

63. I have read he's on the spectrum, so to speak.

[rampartd]

68. no doubt

my theory on the spectrum is that we are all on there somewhere. some much more than others.

autism was around long before louis pasteur invented vaccine, but we are becoming more adept at diagnosing as science progresses coincident with vaccines

[Bumbles]

70. I agree, rampartd, that we are all "on the spectrum" somewhere.

[Irish_Dem]

74. A touch of the 'tism, yes. Also paranoid, drug addict, narcissistic sociopath.

I also think he may be bipolar.

[COL Mustard]

73. Not good qualities for a President to have.

Or Trump, either.

[Irish_Dem]

141. Yes, they are bad and dangerous leaders.

[2naSalit]

4. The truth.

[Irish_Dem]

6. Yes Musk is out of touch with reality.

He cannot read the room or predict how people will react.

[Vinca]

7. His trans daughter seems to strike a nerve.

[Irish_Dem]

9. Good point. His hatred of her is pathological.

[Martin68]

50. Musk ha 12 children (so far). I don't think one trans child is going to drive him crazy.

[GusBob]

8. Drugs

Chronic drug use never leads to anything good

Edit: oops dupe reply with drugs

[Irish_Dem]

10. Dupes OK. Means more people think Musk being a drug addict is his major weakness.

[GusBob]

11. Ok how bout this one?

His relationships with women

That one mother of his child Grimes is it? She’s got some nasty on him and a custody lawsuit

Mistreating women never leads to anything good

[Irish_Dem]

12. Very interesting. All the women he has hurt may start blabbing.

Of course he has forced them to sign NDAs.
And if he cuts off their money, they are screwed.

[GusBob]

13. What's that saying about a woman scorned?

No NDA can’t beat it

[Irish_Dem]

15. Good point. He may push them too far.

[wnylib]

67. But how can that weakness be used to bring him down?

[Irish_Dem]

75. First you do the psych profile.

Then you ask the question you just posed.

What ideas do you have as you read what people are posting about Musk's weak areas?

[wnylib]

93. I don't know enough about Musk to identify his weaknesses.

From what I do know, he seems to be as narcissistic as Trump. A younger, wealthier version of him.

I don't think that Musk acts alone. I think that he has the backing of other wealthy supporters of the MAGA movement and that they are more politically astute than he is. That might include Putin.

Trump is too senile to be of much use. Vance can't pull in a following. So Musk appears to the one chosen to replace Trump.

[Irish_Dem]

100. People on this thread are identifying his weaknesses.

If you look at the weaknesses, do any thoughts come to you about strategy?

Yes Musk is a narcissistic sociopath like Trump.
A bit smarter, he was able to use his skills to make money.

Yes he is obviously working with Putin and probably other fascist leaders.
South Africa is part of BRICK, the organization which wants to bring down the US.

We can assume other billionaire oligarchs are in contact with Musk.

Yes very good point. Musk is the new point man.
Trump is on the wane, sick and senile.
No one likes Vance.

Musk it is. No need to run in an election, just have the GOP appoint him to high office.

[wnylib]

107. The recent refusal of House Republicans to give in to the

Musk/Trump demands to remove the debt ceiling shows a Musk weakness. The large number of Republicans who voted against the Musk/Trump version and their outspokeness in opposing it suggests that Musk does not yet have their support. I suspect some resentment over a "foreigner" telling them what to do.

We could use that by continuing to hammer Musk with labels of unelected, not a natural born citizen, and not eligible to be president - or to play at being president.

We could use the MAGA xenophobia about foreigners to undercut Musk with them and with MAGA followers.

Keep trolling Trump and Musk with the
President Musk label and we can hit two fascist narcissists with one stone.

Add more labels and shade between now and January 20 to undercut Musk before the new regime takes over. The labels should be the kind that undermine Musk with MAGAs so that they refuse to follow him.

[Irish_Dem]

116. Good point. Musk is running into some political brick walls.

Even after he threatened to pay for primary opponents against sitting members of congress.

His attempts to strong arm and control them didn't seem to get the desired results.

People don't like him. Except MTG who thinks he should be speaker of the house.

Musk is not just a foreigner, he is an unelected foreigner.
Ordering sitting MOCs around like they are his Tesla staff.

I think you are right. Use their own tactics of "the other" against them.
Musk is foreign, unelected, acting as POTUS when he is not even eligible to run for that office.

Plus he is obnoxious and unlikeable.

Yes another advantage of your plan is that it will hit Trump's narcissism big time.
There is only one star of the show, and it is Trump.

Of course I don't know how intact Trump is right now.
It is almost like there is a power vacuum and Musk took himself into the power center.

[wnylib]

120. Either there is a power vacuum that Musk is trying to push himself into

or he is being put forward by people who want him to replace the mentally declining Trump.

Either way, we could undermine Musk by labelling him in ways that feed the MAGA rejection of him and promote disunity among MAGAs.

[Irish_Dem]

121. Both. Power brokers pushing Musk into a power vacuum.

Yes I agree, great idea.
Use MAGA tactics against them.
Make them reject Musk.

[Eyeball_Kid]

113. Here's what can bring him down:

Nationalize his StarLink and Space Program. Take the contracts away, federalize his employees, and MOVE ON. And remove ALL security clearances. He's an arrogant prick who thinks he owns people. Show him that he DOES have a boss. Musk didn't INVENT anything. He's an INVESTOR, not a creator. He's crazy too. It's evident in his "quest" to colonize Mars. Who the fuck wants to live on Mars? It's a deeply frozen desert. The entire planet. Humans can't take care of their own planet, and we want to ruin another one? I'd much prefer that, if Musk persists, he should be the first inhabitant on that frozen dust ball, with enough fuel for 2 months of travel on the way back.

[wnylib]

115. Those things could take him down, but

realistically, is a MAGA controlled WH and Congress going to nationalize anything?

Other solutions you proposed would require Dem control, too.

[Irish_Dem]

142. I agree, his ego is tied into everything you list.

Without them he will feel empty.

I believe the wealthy are fantasizing about travel to Mars for a reason.
They know they have trashed the planet and at some point it will be inhabitable.
This is one reason they are trying to amass as much of the planet's resources as possible.
They are looking for Plan B.

I am not saying it makes sense, but the billionaires are used to their wealth solving all their problems.

[harumph]

149. Mars is just a grift.

[Mike 03]

14. Maybe his need to control combined with his insecurity about his parenting

I'm actually still pondering this myself. I need to know more before making a blanket statement that he is a terrible father. He seems incredibly angry that he has a transgender daughter. She has estranged him. He goes the extra mile to be cruel to trans people. His desire to put his ex wife (wives?) and his massive number of children all together on a specially built compound is very bizarre--it is almost like a physical Non Disclosure Agreement. He wants that aspect of his life kept quiet. I think having a daughter beyond his control drives him crazy. (I think his daughter may have moved to another country).

Something about that. He needs to control everything. He is thin=skinned and hates criticism.

More than his drug abuse or mental health, I think we should zero in on his perception of himself as a father.

But that is just my tentative theory. Maybe he will do something today that pushes us in a different direction.

Really smart, good question. Years ago I had wanted to approach Trump from his angle.

[Irish_Dem]

17. Yes. Musk's mental illness is on display with his parenting issues.

His hatred of his trans daughter is pathological.
He sounds paranoid when he talks about her.

He is said to have at least 11 children with three different mothers.
There are rumors that he has more.

This reflects his narcissism and grandiosity: he and his DNA are special.
I have read that his fantasy is to populate Mars with his DNA.
God help us.

You might want to make an OP about Trump, asking the same question.
What is Trump's achilles heel?

[wnylib]

71. What you describe is a younger version of Mr. Trump.

[superpatriotman]

16. His stock

All his wealth depends on TSLA stock. Turn that off. Turn him off.

[Irish_Dem]

18. Yes, Musk's enormous ego is tied to his net worth.

Take down his net worth and Musk will have a break down?

[dtTwitch]

22. yep

the only reason that those in power used to listen to him.
he also wields some serious influence on the stocks of other companies and a rabid set of bots.
but the stock is pretty much the linchpin.

[Irish_Dem]

24. How do we take down his stock?

[Celerity]

40. Collectively crash the stock market, a la 2007 to 2009.

Just let me know so I can go short on everything...



🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑

[Lucky Luciano]

46. He has a lot more than TSLA.

SpaceX, the Boring Company, significant AI investments and many others. To be fair, these are all very highly correlated probably. Maybe SpaceX is less correlated if he can lick in huge government contracts.

[yardwork]

94. Most of Musk's wealth comes from government contracts.

He's the biggest swamp thing.

[jmbar2]

103. Bingo!

That and his dependency on government contracts. If he pisses the republicans off enough, his grift could easily get chopped in future budget fights.

TSLA is a meme stock at this point.

Car sales are slipping as more people feel disgust towards him, and the cars get associated with crashes and fires. He only has about 3% of the general share of market sales in the US. The stock is overpriced for the size of that business.

Activist investors could target TSLA for shorting. It's a house of cards. i hope they blow him up.

[Walleye]

20. His ignorance of American history is a big flaw. That should should be exploited.

It’s also one of the scariest parts of him

[Irish_Dem]

25. Yes good point.

He got screwed recently because he has no idea how congress works.
He never had a junior high US civics class.

[Walleye]

27. Many Americans claiming to be patriots do not understand the basic principles of our philosophy

And they do not understand the protections of the constitution. What we have now is a Republican party that thinks of the United States as a piece of real estate to be exploited, sold off, etc.. much as we might expect putting a real estate scam artist in charge of the whole country

[Irish_Dem]

34. Or they don't care. Or they no longer want a democracy.

The PutinGOP fascists and billionaires are done with democracy.
It no longer serves any purpose for them and gets in the way of their goals.
Total permanent power and access to all world wealth and resources.

[Walleye]

37. I keep thinking of the schemes of Pinky and the Brain

Lots of evil forces have tried to take over the United States. We are too big and unmanageable. We’ll see if they manage it this time.

[Irish_Dem]

47. If this was a movie it would be fascinating.

Yes can the Xi and Putin evil empire get and maintain control of the US.

However they don't really need control.

They just need US chaos, confusion, and self destruction to obtain their goals.

[yardwork]

95. THIS is what we're up against.

I wish the Democrats would talk about this every day. Starting in the 1970s, the very wealthy decided that they'd figure out how to grab as much money and power as possible. They have succeeded.

Democracy is in their way.

[dchill]

35. ...and more than a few of them are in Congress.

[mopinko]

26. we dont talk enough about hard drugs in high places.

not just eloon. i’d like to see the wh pharmacy records for the last 4 yrs. i’m guessin they look a lot different than the 1s from tsf’s 4 yrs. apparently everyone was high in those yrs.

i think cawthorn spoke the truth, drug fueled orgies r common place in the corridors of power. not only leads to bad decisions, but to blackmail.

and it’s not just in d.c. here’s a story about corp life in the 80’s-
i had a teacher when i got my design cert about 15 yrs ago who had worked in pr for disney. she met her hubs there. when they sent out vhs tapes to critics, they filled the drive holes w coke.
DISNEY!

there in big money, too. my ex worked at cboe. there werent a lot of places he cd have taken his specialized skills. maybe half doz local cos. 1 of them was citadel, the big hedge fund. several of the ppl he worked w went there. they gave huge signing bonuses, and the money was great.
they all burned out in about 2 yrs. some crawled back. nobody every said it out loud, but btn the lines, the ‘burn out’ of choice was coke.
ever see ‘the wolf of wall street’?

high as a kite is no was to run anything, whether it’s a hotdog cart or a country. i think the zeal to drug test ppl for every job ran out of steam when ppl started pointing out that they were only testing powerless grunts.

DRUG TEST CONGRESS.

[Walleye]

28. I think many of the narcissistic world leaders think they have just the right drugs to make them superior to everyone

[mopinko]

31. true.

w/o drugs, it’s just 1 person v the next 1. they see themselves as the rare 1s willing to risk it all.
they see sober ppl as just 🐓.

[Walleye]

32. Which explains their hatred for straight arrow, Boy Scout, Joe Biden

[Irish_Dem]

42. Very good point mopinko.

The wealthy ruling class in the US has been rife with drugs since the '80s.

Members of Congress are well known for their sex and drug parties.
Some of them never look sober when on camera.

POTUS BushJr was always drunk whenever he was seen in public.
Also said to be a big cocaine user.

The millionaires/billionaires who bribe our politicians and judges are all high on drugs too?

Most of the them cannot pass a drug/alcohol test.

[yardwork]

96. When was that recent hearing where the Republicans turned up drunk?

I can't remember exactly but apparently it was more obvious than usual. MTG? Boebert?

[Irish_Dem]

98. Gaetz, Boebert, MTG?

Gaetz is a big drug user, he used to show nude pictures of the women he slept with to
his congressional colleagues at work.

MTG is said to be addicted to steroids. And her judgement is awful too.
She showed d*ck pics on the floor of congress.

Boebert is drug and alcohol addicted. Had sex out in public in front of children.

So they are obsessed with sex and drugs.

Lindsay Graham never looks sober to me.

[yardwork]

99. Found it. It was last May. They were drinking in the hearing room itself.

Yep, MTG was involved.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/jamie-raskin-drinking-house-hearing-b2547301.html

[Irish_Dem]

102. Thanks. What happens when regular people show to work drunk and are disruptive?

[yardwork]

117. Well, I would be fired.

I'm guessing that you would have lost your license if you did that.

On the other hand, so many Americans seem to have alcohol and SA issues, especially since COVID, maybe their carousing makes the MAGA politicians relatable.

[Ocelot II]

51. Hitler was as high as kite through WWII.

"Hitler’s drug use was of epic proportions, Post said. In addition to cocaine, the German dictator also took amphetamines, sedatives, and hormones, prescribed by a doctor Post described as a “quack.” "
https://medicine.yale.edu/news/yale-medicine-magazine/article/when-the-leader-is-illor-addicted-to-cocaine/

[mopinko]

53. yup.

and cops on roids…. 1 of my pet peeves. u dont need a drug test. that buff guy who only spends a half hour in the gym- roids. acne. aggressive behavior, which doesnt confine itself to the citizenry.
any cop who gets a use of force complaint she b drug tested.

[Irish_Dem]

77. Yes in Hitler's speeches he sounds psychotic and/or drugged to the hilt.

[Pachamama]

84. Blitzed

Not sure if this book is still available - but read it years ago and it discusses Hitler and the entire top of the SS being high as a kite.

[Paladin]

36. Being stupid enough to make common cause with trump.

Look how that's worked out for Rudy or anybody else who's taken up full-time blowjobbing of Orange Julius.

[Irish_Dem]

44. Billionaires think their vast wealth protects them from everything.

They are not in the same class as the Rudy types.

We shall see if being the richest man in the world protects Musk from the Trump disaster syndrome.

[wnylib]

80. It's starting to look like Trump might be the one who needs protection from the muskrat.

[allegorical oracle]

38. Ego-driven greed. Believe he wants to eventually rule the planet.

Was depressed by a telephone conversation with one of my longest friends, yesterday. She and her husband are wealthy and voted for TSF in 2016 and 2020, but went for Harris this year. I was so pleased.

Now, however, she and her husband are all-in for Musk and the "advice" he's giving to this admin. She believes Musk is a certifiable genius. My counterpoints were ignored. She and her husband are educated, intelligent -- yet blind, imo. The only rationale I can figure is that they believe their family's wealth will grow if Musk is influencing policy. And maybe she's right.

Sad to sell the nation out for your personal gain.

[Irish_Dem]

52. Yes Musk is now talking about buying the UK elections too.

So he is eyeing Europe as well as the US and North America.
Of course this aligns with Putin's goals of being in control of the US and Europe.

Yes it has been astounding to see so many well to do people sell out their country for financial gain.
Or perceived financial gain.

People who are already living quite well and have no complaints.
They want more, much more.
And don't care what they have to do to get it.

[The Madcap]

39. Taking on too many things at the same time.

It's hard enough to run one company. When you try to run multiple companies and play "president" as well, something has to give. No one can be in total control of so much at once. I don't see him as one who would effectively delegate that responsibility.

[Irish_Dem]

76. I believe he is bipolar with manic episodes.

What you describe is classic manic behavior.
Taking on way too many projects in a grandiose way.

But yes he is spread thin, how can he manage all of it.

Of course he thinks he is a real genius.
Who can do anything and everything.

[The Madcap]

86. I could never

Work for someone this crazy. I would bet the SpaceX and Tesla employees want to see as little of him as possible.

[58Sunliner]

41. He likes to fly everywhere.

[boonecreek]

43. Believing he can trust Trump?

Too many people have made that mistake.

[DFW]

48. Sewth Efrica

No matter what he does, that one stumbling block to his taking over the presidency for real is written as a rock-solid part of the Constitution. He is just ineligible to become president.

[sop]

49. Musk's (non)relationship with his trans daughter seems to be a sore point for him.

"Wilson said that, for as long as she could remember, Musk hasn’t been a supportive father. She said he was rarely present in her life, leaving her and her siblings to be cared for by their mother or by nannies even though Musk had joint custody, and she said Musk berated her when he was present."

“'He was cold,' she said. 'He’s very quick to anger. He is uncaring and narcissistic.'"

"Wilson said that, when she was a child, Musk would harass her for exhibiting feminine traits and pressure her to appear more masculine, including by pushing her to deepen her voice as early as elementary school."

“I was in fourth grade. We went on this road trip that I didn’t know was actually just an advertisement for one of the cars — I don’t remember which one — and he was constantly yelling at me viciously because my voice was too high,” she said. “It was cruel.”

“'I no longer live with or wish to be related to my biological father in any way, shape or form,' she said in the court filing."

"Musk threw a spotlight on Wilson on Monday by speaking about their relationship in a video interview with psychologist and conservative commentator Jordan Peterson streamed live on X, saying he didn’t support Wilson’s gender identity."

“'I lost my son, essentially,' Musk said. He used Wilson’s birth name, also known as a deadname for transgender people, and said she was 'dead, killed by the woke mind virus.'"

"And in a post on X, Musk said Monday that Wilson was 'born gay and slightly autistic' and that, at age 4, she fit certain gay stereotypes, such as loving musicals and using the exclamation 'fabulous!' to describe certain clothing. Wilson told NBC News that the anecdotes aren’t true, though she said she did act stereotypically feminine in other ways as a child."

"In recent years, Musk has taken a hard-right turn into conservative politics and has been waging a campaign against transgender people and policies designed to support them. This month, he said he was pulling his businesses out of California to protest a new state law that bars schools from requiring that trans kids be outed to their parents."

"On X, Musk has for years criticized transgender rights, including medical treatments for trans-identifying minors, and the use of pronouns if they are different from what would be used at birth. He has promoted anti-trans content and called for arresting people who provide trans care to minors."

"Musk told Peterson that Wilson’s gender transition has been the motivation for his push into conservative politics."

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/elon-musk-transgender-daughter-vivian-wilson-interview-rcna163665

Vivian Jenna Wilson has been speaking out about her father lately. Maybe she'll be more public about her father's bizarre personality now that he's president, like Mary Trump.

[Irish_Dem]

55. Yes, Musk's view of his child is pathological, quite crazy and paranoid.

He sees this child as a vicious plot against him.

In addition to the paranoia and anger, Musk's total narcissism is present.

It is about him, he is a victim. He doesn't see his child as a separate person with wants and needs of their own.

Good idea, perhaps they will become an outspoken critic of Musk like Mary Trump is of her uncle.

[Traildogbob]

54. Putin would

Just slip a little radioactive fentanyl in their drug stash, and summon them up to the 20th floor window meeting.

[no_hypocrisy]

56. The Icarus Factor

Like Icarus in Greek mythology, Musk will impulsively fly too close to the sun, where the wax, holding the feathers onto his wings, will melt, and he will plummet to a painful demise.

[Wicked Blue]

57. Narcissism

He believes everything is all about him.

Of course the Orange Traitor is also a narcissist. It will be entertaining to watch the Battle of the Egos when it erupts.

[nuxvomica]

58. Something we don't know about but Putin might

The control-freak personality is usually harboring something inside them that they can't control so they need to control everything else around them totally.

[Kid Berwyn]

59. Zero Imagination

It’s like he can’t visualize the consequences of his actions.

Maybe he’s one of those people with aphantasia, who can’t see anything when they close their eyes, just darkness.

[azureblue]

61. he has an inflated view of himself

Which we should actively encourage - tell him that Trump has 6 bankruptcies, which proves he can't run anything, but you, Elon, have 4 successful businesses. So why are you supporting a person who is "less" than you? And you have way more money, anyway.

Then go to Trump and tell him how great he is, and how you are looking forward to his next term, but he needs to watch out for Elon, because Elon wants to take away your power. And Elon thinks he is better than you.

And go back and forth until they destroy each other. Pit them against each other. Egg them on to attack each other. Sow distrust.

Use Elon's narcissistic weakness to get him to try to push Trump aside.. And invest in popcorn, because they will both take the bait.

[nowforever]

62. It is his vanity

He has had multiple hair transplants and constantly needs to pump up his own ego.

[Norbert]

65. His biggest Achilles heel will ultimately stealing the anointed one's sunshine

Both of them are so full of themselves and Eloon does not know when to let up.

I've been waiting for a big blowup and think it will happen sometime in February.

[bucolic_frolic]

66. All the detritus he's discarded on his way to the top

He must have some air tight NDAs or pay them off good.

[Bumbles]

69. As you said Irish Dem, Musk's enormous ego is tied to his net worth.

So is Trump's. Get two birds with one stone and free the country from these imbeciles by tanking their net worth. I'd hate to see so many others being hurt if it takes crashing the market, but it might be worth it in the long run.

As Walleye said, there's an appalling lack of knowledge of history in both Trump and Musk, and their belief that only they know what's best.

Which brings up what I think may be the biggest Achilles heel. Neither of them can stand to be seen as beneath someone else, be beholden, or be less than. From the beginning, I've thought that there are so many massive egos, including among those Trump is selecting for his administration, that there will be a major reckoning soon as the players try to maintain or gain superiority. I see an internecine war breaking out. Please pass the popcorn.

[DBoon]

72. His praetorian guard

Needing that much protection shows how slender his grip on power and wealth is

Also the Roman Praetorian Guard was known to eliminate emperors who became too insane with power.

Musk = Caligula

[endless summer]

79. Hubris

will be his undoing. Someone above mentioned the story of Icarus, Leon believes all the hype about his “genius” the gods won’t be pleased.

[Ocelot II]

82. The same ones as Trump's. They are very much alike

and for that reason they can't share the same space. They're like matter and antimatter - the whole thing's gonna blow before long.

[Irish_Dem]

140. Yes they have the same psychopathology.

Narcissistic sociopaths and drug addicted.

Yes the question is how long they will last together, not if, but when it will blow up.

[MineralMan]

83. Musk is not as smart as people, including himself, think.

He is good at recognizing opportunities and starting things to take advantage of them. However, he doesn't know that much about the industries he has gotten involved with. He depends on others to actually do the work. However, he is not loyal to those he hires to do that work. That will lead to many problems for him down the road.

He has no established personal ethics. Those change from day to day to suit whatever mood he is in. And, since he consumes who knows what psychoactive drugs, what suits him on any particular day varies.

Inconsistence is his Achilles heel. It's going to bite him on the ass. Probably via Trump getting angry with the man for outshining Trump, whose shine is quite tarnished and dull.

[Happy Hoosier]

85. Mainly that he is a really unlikable prick.

But he has so much money it may not matter.

[Irish_Dem]

105. Good point. He is an obnoxious SOB.

Money and status may protect an unlikeable character to some extent.

But it will not change the reality that no one likes him at all.

[ancianita]

88. Achilles Heel: His government contracts predicated on his lie on his citizenship application.

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The original lie to the U.S. State Dept, and his actions thereafter, reveal Musk as a national security threat due to his contracts and foreign contacts. The U.S. should officially take action against Musk.

In the name of national security, The current U.S. Department of State should permanently revoke Elon Musk's citizenship and U.S. passport due to the fact of his lying on his application about the fact of his undocumented status;

-- thus, the U.S. Treasury permanently ban Musk from conducting business with the U.S. and its allies;
-- thus, all of Musk's government contracts can be headed by his chief engineers, who'll assume agency to fulfill said contracts;
-- thus, deported from the U.S. as a threat to U.S. national security because of a provable pattern of contacts with Vladimir Putin, declared an international criminal by the International Criminal Court under the Rome Statute.

[Irish_Dem]

111. Yes on all your points. But rich, powerful white males are exempt from US laws, rules and customs.

[ancianita]

123. Okay, then. If what you say is true, then there's no reason to even ask whether he has an "Achilles heel," is there.

The claim abut "rich, powerful white males" being exempt from US laws leaves We The People with no legal recourse through our government to end the rule of men that Musk has brought to this government.

If we nihilistically believe that "rich, powerful white males are exempt from US laws, rules and customs," then we capitulate to their power and deny our own. Knowing everything said here -- his personal flaws and mental state? -- that and a bus token will get us across town. That's it.

[Irish_Dem]

135. You are right and wrong about my thought process.

Yes, you are right. There is no reason to have this discussion with the power structure, the US government or anyone
in the three branches of gov't. They have utterly failed to do their jobs.

But as you can see, I am did not post my question or comments to anyone in those groups.

I am talking to We The People, the members of this forum.

I still believe in We The People.

My family was a military family and risked their lives for everyday Americans and their rights.
My family never lost hope in them, and I am still believe in the power of the people.

[ancianita]

148. Fine. Then both things can be true.

Whether we agree ...
that the power of the people is the power of their hope and strength is greater than "rich, powerful white males are exempt from US laws, rules and customs."

And whether we don't agree ...
that there is still a path for the U.S. military and Dept. of State, if they choose to treat him as a security threat, no matter how rich & powerful others think he is.

[ancianita]

130. Looks like the U.S. Military agrees with me about his being a national security threat.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100219839330

[Irish_Dem]

133. Just CYA, they still give Musk military contacts.

[ancianita]

134. Nah. They bother with this because they have evidentiary cause for prosecuting and taking over his contracts

in the interests of U.S. national security.

[Irish_Dem]

136. ha ha

I will believe it when I see it.

There are tons of evidentiary cause to prosecute and jail Trump.

But we saw what happened there.

But I hope you are right and I am wrong.

[ancianita]

150. Everything

that's gone wrong is not because of evidence. It's because of the judicial system
-- court scheduling after filed indictments;
-- courts allowing abuse of due process because of fluff motions;
-- abuse of the appeals process -- that for at least a year kept trump from having to stand trial that would have taken -- under the "speedy trial" clause of the constitution -- no more than five weeks, tops, according to Smith. No matter if Garland had filed indictments the day he was sworn in, the same judicial system would have delayed the two federal cases, and the same SCOTUS would have delayed its rulings.

Lawyers on MSNBC have stated this and cited similar cases that have taken 4+ years to come to trial. And everyone in the legal world knows this.
Biden knows this.

Judicial reform, if we the people ever get a shot at it, will need serious clock-ticking deadlines for justice for the people over due process for the rich.

[Pachamama]

90. Musk will eventually self-destruct

Musk is a seriously flawed individual. Not as smart as he portrays himself to be and that people think, mentally unstable, drug user, insecure and physically unattractive.

He is very arrogant and narcissistic and believes himself to be the smartest person in the Universe and seeks power and control without boundary.

His "financial worth" is where his power source lies. He also has many weaknesses that he tries to hide (some listed above) and he appears to be getting more and more out of control.

He is a modern era Caligula and when he reaches his absolute worst - he will bottom out. It may not be one specific issue or weakness but rather it will be the combination of them all.

There are many that will be happy to stab him in the back in the end and take him down. Donny being one of them.

[alittlelark]

104. Definately his ego - very thin skin on that one

Possibly more dysfunctional than tRumps

[Irish_Dem]

109. Good analysis.

Yes on all your points.

If he lost his money, he would lose all his power.
He has few other redeeming qualities.

Yes he is so unlikeable that there will be people who want to bring him down.

It could be a spectacular fall from grace.

[RainCaster]

91. his ego

It's huge

[Irish_Dem]

108. Yes this makes him quite vulnerable.

His arrogance and sense of superiority make him unlikeable.
And he is closed to other ideas, criticism and feedback.
He is a closed loop. Which can mean folly.

[flamingdem]

101. He's a quick study but doesn't have time to know important details

He had very little understanding of how congress works and how the budget works.

This will derail him eventually when it's clear he's not competent to weigh in.

[Irish_Dem]

106. He is also so grandiose he doesn't think he needs the details.

He fancies himself a big picture person.

And he can threaten and bully people into doing what he wants.

[Arthur_Frain]

112. He's a pedo

He’s just covered his tracks better than most, since we really never got to see the blackmail list from Jeff’s pedo island. Elon is always way too quick to accuse others of child sexual abuse, just like he did with the rescuer of those kids in a cave in Thailand.

With these guys, every accusation is either a confession or a projection.

[Irish_Dem]

118. Musk got the anti-porn prohibition killed in the new bill.

I see that as a possible red flag.
What is he hiding?

Nothing would surprise me.
Narcissistic sociopath who is a drug addict.
Vastly rich, he is used to getting whatever he wants.

And many in Trump's orbit are rapists.

So it fits.

[OldBaldy1701E]

124. His fragile ego. He cannot handle anyone being less than obeisance. (n/t)

[Irish_Dem]

132. Yes, like Trump. Classic narcissistic personality disorder.

Yes it is a major drawback for them.
They refuse to listen to other opinions, criticism or feedback.

[debm55]

144. How was Musk's parents view of him and his view of his parents. How was he raised?

[Irish_Dem]

145. We know his mother seems to be narcissistic as well.

She recently appeared on American TV and told Americans they should have children whether they can afford them or not.
Lectured people on how to cut back on expenses while her husband and son are quite wealthy.

She does not appear to be embarrassed at all by her son's bad behavior and drug addiction.

Elon was raised in South Africa, the son of a wealthy businessman. South Africa has a culture of white supremacy.

Elon's father is a controversial figure. He fathered two children with his step daughter.

[CentralMass]

127. Possibly the Orange Anuses malignant narcissism?

[Irish_Dem]

137. Yes Musk is too stupid to realize that Trump poses a threat to him.

[AntiFascist]

129. Dependence on Chinese suppliers? n/t

[Irish_Dem]

138. Yes Musk does not realize that China, Russia, and Trump could turn on him at any moment.

[localroger]

131. He drew to an inside straight and got it, now he thinks he's a genius

A lot of his early business success mirrors people who had early luck gambling. Even though Elon is capable of understanding the odds (unlike TFG, who I think can't do math at all and trusts "his gut" over numbers) Elon no longer realistically believes that he will lose. The longer that luck holds the worse it will be for him when it fails. There are signs he is already pushing way beyond his limits even as the world's financially richest man in his manipulations of politics and statecraft. He is impulsive and not at all prepared for the war he is picking with people who may not be able to match his raw resources, but are much craftier and more experienced than he is. He is riding high right moment but I think he's forgotten that he has no political power at all. Once TFG crashes (which at this rate may be before the inauguration) he is going to be exposed bare-assed to the wind he has stirred up, and he's going to find out there are some things even his money can't buy.

[Irish_Dem]

139. Good assessment. Musk knows the price of everything, but the value of nothing.

Yes he is a spoiled nepo baby with good luck and some ideas.
But his grandiosity, impulsivity, mental illness, drug addition, naivety and ignorance will be his undoing.

[Emrys]

143. Drugs

But his use isn't something that has to be leveraged against him.

He's reportedly concerned enough about being offed that he's employing a constant security presence.

I don't know if that extends to a brigade of tasters and/or testers of his supplies, but he's one oops overdose or tainted batch away from pushing up sunflowers.

[Irish_Dem]

152. If he keeps screwing up, he may make some powerful enemies.

[Bluethroughu]

151. His ego is not his amigo.

[Irish_Dem]

153. Yes hubris may be his downfall.

[Bluethroughu]

155. Definately hope so.

[kimbutgar]

154. Ketamine to get over that his Mommy didn't love him enough!

And also being called an a hole. I was at a David Chappell Chris Rock comedy event and Musk came out just after he took over twitter and fired a bunch of people. The audience was booing him, and I was flipping him off the whole time. He was uncomfortable being booed and not having people fawn over him.

[Irish_Dem]

157. He is used to his staff, politicians, and the rich fawning over him.

The fact the many people hate him must be a shock.

[uponit7771]

156. Dunning Kruger Effect, he know doubt thinks he knows best based off a little bit of information. Took out LIDAR from ...

... his cars when autopilot wasn't ready.

This guy is a prime example of knowing a little bit of everything and thinking its enough is dangerous.

[Irish_Dem]

159. He is impaired because of his narcissistic personalty disorder.

He thinks he is the smartest person in the room, or probably the world.

He lucked out bilking the US gov't with his projects and got very rich.
He equates that with being brilliant.

Being a brilliant bullshitter and grifter doesn't mean he knows everything.

He also thought his threats would work. He very much misread the room.

[dgauss]

158. Jumping up with his arms in the air when his shirt is too short?

Won't take him down but that can't be good. Those images stick.