Democrats need to let the GOP fuck up Americans lives next year. We can't save them from their own ramifications.

[ZonkerHarris]

Democrats need to let the GOP fuck up Americans lives next year.
We can't save them from their own ramifications.
The American People will not learn that way.
We cannot be Superman and swoop to the rescue every time, preventing the worst possible outcomes.
Give the people what they voted for: chaos, inflation, and hate.
Then they might start to vote FOR their interests, instead of against them.

This was a reply that started an interesting discussion.
FYI: This is not a call for Democrats to vote with the GOP and pass their bills.
We should vote against but we also need to stop negotiating with House and senate Republicans who NEVER keep their word on a deal.
Fuck 'em and let them sink Americans and realize we were straight with them all along.
My signature line says it all: "Orcutt's 1st Law: Before things get better, they must get much worse." - from the novel THE FOOLS IN TOWN ARE ON OUR SIDE by Ross Thomas

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2024/11/18/2287041/-Trump-voters-f-cked-around-now-they-re-about-to-find-out?pm_campaign=front_page&pm_source=from_markos_desk&pm_medium=web

Rural America has been the bedrock of MAGA support. This year, 64% of rural voters went for Trump, and just 32% for Harris. And the nonprofit news outlet Investigate Midwest finds that Trump won over 77% of the popular vote, on average, in the nation’s most farming-dependent counties. So you know the leopards are hungrily circling that crowd.
...
One of the election’s most bizarre developments was that many Muslim Americans abandoned the Democratic ticket for both Trump and Green Party candidate Jill Stein, largely due to the Biden administration’s support for Israel in its war against Hamas. In fact, Arab-majority Dearborn, Michigan, went from a 69% Biden majority in 2020 to giving Vice President Kamala Harris just 36% of its vote this November. Trump got 42%, and Stein got 18%. Boy, did they send a message for peace! .
...
No modern-era president did more for organized labor than Joe Biden. Among other things, he was the first president to walk a picket line, bailed out the pension for 600,000 Teamsters at a taxpayer’s cost of $36 billion, helped radicalize billionaire Elon Musk by excluding him from an electrical-vehicle summit at the apparent behest of the United Auto Workers union, increased funding for the National Labor Relations Board, and stocked that board with labor advocates.

In return, the Teamsters refused to endorse a presidential candidate, and the union’s president, Sean O’Brien, spoke at the Republican National Convention, and 45% of labor households voted for Trump, compared with 40% in 2020, according to exit polls.

[Meadowoak]

1. Only problem, too many that didn't vote for this bullshit

Will die, lose everything they worked for, their homes, families and friends. This is going to hurt all of us. Badly.

[ZonkerHarris]

2. Yeah, that's what happened the last time too and everybody forgot. Maybe they'll vote next time.

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[kysrsoze]

3. It's going to happen anyway, and pain is a good motivator.

I have no sympathy for those who voted for him. You reap what you sow. Of course I feel bad for those who did the right thing, but you can’t undo the election.

[BWdem4life]

4. Nope

Dems will be blamed no matter what. Therefore we should do what we can.

[MurrayDelph]

56. That is the Republicans' deinition of bipartisanship

We do it their way, and they blame us when it fails.

[CrispyQ]

58. People forget it's not just Fox News, Newsmax, & OANN that report right-slanted news,

it's your local channels, too. A few days ago someone posted a montage of Scripps-Howard news hosts across the country & they all parroted the same exact right-leaning phrases.

[33taw]

5. I agree.

[Grokenstein]

6. The Eternal(-ish) Cycle:

Republicans wreck everything; people "wise up" and vote Dems into office; Dems start fixing things; people get semi-comfortable; people get stupid; Republicans use fear and wild promises to get back in; cycle starts again.

One day the cycle will break, one way or the other. Will I live long enough to see it? My father laughed in my face with Reagan beat Carter, then spent four years bellowing like a bloodhound about how the Jellybean Naptime Cowboy and the GOP were ruining the country, then promptly voted straight Republican ticket again. THAT cycle continued until he assumed room temperature.

[ZonkerHarris]

11. Calls for some "tough love"

[electric_blue68]

13. Yeah? I could be homeless if my gov't support is diminished....

And affording my medicines.

I'm a lifelong liberal Democrat.

You gonna (metaphorically) look me in the eye, and say that's ok? And not try to fight against such things through the Democratic Party?

[ZonkerHarris]

19. If the GOP has the votes and the will to fuck up Social Security and Medicare etc then what do you expect Democrats to

do for you?

[electric_blue68]

51. It's the Way You Phrased it (imho)

Democrats *need to let the GOP fuck up Americans lives next year. We can't save them from their own ramifications.

*my underline

I want to to see them REALLY fighting for us even with probable defeat! NOT just lay back, and "sigh"... "Oh, well...".

[Granny Blue]

34. Me too

2 lifelong liberal Democrats hereh elderly, 1 disabled spine patient, 1 vietnam era vet. We are paying very High rent to live in a city where some spine care is available, entirely dependent on SS, Medicare and Medicaid. Thanks to specialist physical therapy, I am now able to walk, slowly and carefully, but I won’t survive living on the streets, and nursing home/ assisted living is definitely not an option. If it comes to that, I think I will cheerfully leave the planet.

[electric_blue68]

53. Woah. I get it, and with help, and effort you've made increadible progress with Proper...

care, gov't funds you paid into, and your own effort!

Take that away...
😔

I hope we all somehow make it through!

See my post #51

[Karma13612]

48. Bravo! Bingo

EXACTLY my thoughts!

I’m one of the Americans who faithfully voted and DIDN’T vote for the “dynamic death duo” Musk/Trump.

Is there some corner of America where I can spend the next 4 years (which could be my last years on earth since I’m nearly 71) in relative financial and physical safety?

I hate insensitive people/commenters who talk very subjectively with zero compassion for their fellow Americans using phrases like “Americans deserve what they get. They need to suffer and learn.” It tells me these commenters are either not Americans at all, or are so financially well positioned that they can weather the next four years and keep motoring on. Or they’re in denial.

[electric_blue68]

50. ty... living in a blue State, and city might help for a while but not

totally if they seriously go after the gov't entitlements.

My fam is actually pretty long lived on both sides, and I'd probably like to be like them

Good luck to all of us!

[3catwoman3]

35. Jellybean Naptime Cowboy - that's a good one.

Funny and sad all at once. What a disaster he was.

[kimbutgar]

7. Sadly his maggot supporters have to suffer the consequences of his administration

Their children suffer from polio or die of cancer because they can’t get treatment. Or the water system is no longer regulated and toxic waste seeps into their drinking water and they get sick with septic poisoning, No longer any safety regulations and they get hurt on the job and oh well you’re on your own now. No company medical care for you. The stuff that these fools are going to suffer especially in unregulated red states will be devasting to his supporters.

[taxi]

10. Also sadly, in their own minds they are the martyrs,

they are the ones to cry look at me. Look how much I suffer because of my choices, ... bootstraps, illegals, ..., round and round goes the merry-go-round.
What do we call it? Willfully ignorance? Hatred? Cognitive dissonance? Does it even matter, it's not like they will miraculously see the light.

[electric_blue68]

14. See my post #13.

[Pototan]

8. Wow. I couldn't agree more.

These have been my talking points on this site since the Nov. 7.

However, I must admit that you lay the argument out better than I did.

[electric_blue68]

15. See my post #13.

[Pototan]

17. Everyone here did all we could to defeat Trump

However, elections have consequences.

It's difficult to see how we can win the fight when they control all four corners of government. The House, the Senate, the Presidency and the Supreme Court.

We have to win back one of those pillars in two years. But strap in for a very bumpy ride until then.

[electric_blue68]

18. You said in post #8 you agreed w the OP's points...

From the OP:

"The American People will not learn that way.
*We cannot be Superman and swoop to the rescue every time, preventing the worst possible outcomes.
Give the people what they voted for: chaos, inflation, and hate"

*my underline

So you agree that Dems -not- "swoop down" and "prevent" the worst possible outcomes?
Even if that means some of your fellow DU'rs will be hurt, as well?!

[ZonkerHarris]

22. Trump is going to be President again. People are going to get hurt and die. It's what he does.

You say you're going to need democrats help.
What will you do if they don't succeed?
Blame them and vote Republican next time?
That's what America did, even after we helped them, Unions, Arab-Americans, Women, everyone.
They all shit on us electorally so WTF do think the Dems can do for you right the fuck now anyway?
Get real.

[keep_left]

9. Here's one scenario to chew on, however. It's hypothetical right now...

...but I think it's plausible. What happens if the bird flu makes the full jump to humans and becomes easily transmissible? Things are already looking scary in farm country with cases which appear to be increasing. And you know that if we get a bird flu pandemic, Trump and his cronies will be at least as incompetent as they were during Covid. I just can't wait for Trump's whiny press conferences, where he complains about his ratings and the "fake news" while half the country is dying. Can you?

So while it's easy to feel schadenfreude for the idiots in farm country, Dearborn, the Teamsters, etc. who voted for Trump, his malignant regime is likely to cause harm to everyone.

[ZonkerHarris]

20. another pandemic under Trump and JKF Jr is a "when" not an "if"

[keep_left]

36. Not much doubt about that.

See this link (DU thread re: bird flu).

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100219843728#post9

[Morbius]

12. I think Democrats need to visibly try to mitigate the suffering of everyday Americans.

The problem is not what Democrats are doing, or failing to do. It is what Democrats are failing to communicate.

Smugly sitting back and watching the disaster happen won't help win elections in 2026 & 2028, assuming our country even has elections anymore. Democrats need to fight and be seen fighting for the common man and woman in America.

If Democrats cannot improve the way they communicate, their actions will matter little.

[ZonkerHarris]

21. We did that and lost. Did you read the last 4 paragraphs that I pasted from the linked article?...

Unions- We helped them, they shit on us.

Arab-Americans, they literally thought Trump would be better for Gaza. They are already complaining.

What the fuck else are we supposed to do for these people?
Ingrateful idiot bastards that need to find out after they fucked around.

[CousinIT]

28. Agree. Millions didn't vote for that shit...

..and many are desperately on the edge already. Or worse. Dems have to do all they can to mitigate for them.

[betsuni]

16. Not do their jobs? So nobody's governing? Americans have no idea what's going on. No.

[ZonkerHarris]

24. What are you going to do when some Democrats start voting to confirm trump nominees, like last time?

Is that doing their jobs?

[betsuni]

26. I don't how to do their job so it doesn't matter what I do.

[ZonkerHarris]

30. pressuring your elected officials to keep their promises and serve their constituents is your job.

[Initech]

23. Absolutely insane that 1,000,000 dead from COVID wasn't a deal breaker.

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And now not only are they giving that dumb fuck a second chance, he's got his inner asshole and middle finger out for the rest of sane America. And he put anit-vaxxers in charge of public health! That's like giving the alcoholic the keys to the liquor cabinet and your car and telling them where the nearest cliff is! What the actual fuck, America?

[ZonkerHarris]

25. Time for America to FAFO. They fucked around, time to find out. That's all I'm saying here.

[Initech]

33. I'm honestly starting to agree with that sentiment!

I honestly don't know what else it will take to get through their thick skulls!

[CousinIT]

27. F*vk rhe farmers

They keep voting for goddamned MAGAts and then we have to bail their, asses out. THEY KNOW THEYLL GET BAILED OUT EVERY TIME.

We need to stop doing it and inform them that they voted for the shit that befalls them at the hands of MAGAts.

Fucking assholes.

[ecstatic]

29. I agree with you.

I still can't get over how Democrats fought tooth and nail to help Americans from 2020 through 2024 and none of it was appreciated or even acknowledged.

trump voters attacked us and themselves with their votes, and it's time for them to live with the consequences.

I'm sorry to everyone who did the right thing and will be harmed.

[TheFarseer]

31. Like just let them get rid of Social Security?

No thanks! I don’t want to work til I’m 90 because we had to stick it to Trump voters. If you can think of an example that overwhelmingly screws only Trump voters, however, I’m on board.

[ZonkerHarris]

32. If the GOP has the votes and the will to fuck up Social Security and Medicare etc then what do you expect Democrats to

do about it?
I keep asking this question but no one seems to want to answer it.

[TheFarseer]

39. Filibuster

And call enormous attention to the vote so it would be ruinous to the Republicans.

[ZonkerHarris]

40. You think shame works with these assholes? Seriously? Give me some examples where it has worked in the last 8 years.

[TheFarseer]

41. Not shame

A threat of losing power - as in, getting voted out. It may not work, but we can hope voters will not forget for the next election. There's a reason they pretend they AREN'T for getting rid of Social Security. If anyone has a better idea, I'm all ears. By the way it has worked. They cave whenever there's a debt ceiling negotiation. They passed the Veteran's Health bill 86-11 after John Stewart spoke to Congress. Just two days ago the Senate passed the extension of Social Security benefits 76-20 so it does happen. There's probably more if my memory didn't suck.

[ZonkerHarris]

44. Yeah the party gerrymandered into a majority is gonna be worried about losing.

sure.

[Karma13612]

49. They are not going to get

Enuf votes in the Senate to cut our Social Security. At least if they have to pass the normal threshold of 60 votes.

When I’m not panicking about everything, that’s what I keep telling myself.

[dsc]

37. We should vote against pretty much everything

including lifting the debt ceiling, but filibuster nothing. Let them see what Republican governance is. Make it apparent that the GOP is in charge and deserves all the blame.

[ZonkerHarris]

38. This is the way

[Blue_Tires]

43. The problem is those people live in a different reality

Faux News and Donnie's Twitter account will tell the gullible masses how much their lives have improved and that will be their truth..

[ZonkerHarris]

45. You can't fool all of the people all of the time.

[Blue_Tires]

47. Unless they want to be fooled

These are Trumpers we're talking about...

[Iggo]

46. Democrats need to throw me to the wolves?

Yeah, that’ll show those stupid wolves!

[hadEnuf]

55. How are Democrats going to throw you to the wolves? The Republicans will hold all the power.

Democrats can and most likely will vote against all of the stuff the Republicans will pull, but they are going to be outnumbered and they will mostly lose to the lockstep Republicans. Somehow, many people seem to not believe this.

There is no "both sides cavalry" coming to rescue us from Trump if he pushes too far. It will be up to the Republicans in the House and Senate to help stop him, but they are being threatened themselves and they are sniveling cowards.

All we really can do is to make sure that the American people know who is responsible for the upcoming mess that Trump will create.

We are out of words. Americans will need to now learn from experience.

[Lovie777]

52. Mostly, Democrats do have souls.

[Attilatheblond]

54. Nah, that never works. Too many voters don't remember the damgages of GOP administrations

Or that it is ALWAYS a DEM administration that comes in & fixes as much of the damage as possible.
Carter, Obama, Biden all patched us up as much as the Senate & House would allow. But the easily conned, voting for their hurt 'feelings' always forget and then vote for the crooks who lie to, then screw them

[ZonkerHarris]

57. That's why they need to feel the true pain of Trump and the GOP now.

[Attilatheblond]

59. since they don't do reality, do you really think they will figure out who authors their pain?

I just don't have enough faith in their brain function to see them waking up.