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usonian

(14,621 posts)
Sun Dec 22, 2024, 07:06 PM Sunday

How the U.S. Lost Control of Bird Flu, Setting the Stage for Another Pandemic

Posting in GD for its possible impact. CA has declared an emergency.

Archived from SciAm.

https://archive.ph/ExzU5

Very long article covers all the blunders that led to this situation. I'll just quote from the end, because the magnitude of the problem depends on what happens next.


Does the name "RFK Jr." give you a warn feeling, or did you just pee your pants?

Curtailing the virus on farms is the best way to prevent human infections, said Jennifer Nuzzo, director of the Pandemic Center at Brown University, but human surveillance must be stepped up, too. Every clinic serving communities where farmworkers live should have easy access to bird flu tests — and be encouraged to use them. Funds for farmworker outreach must be boosted. And, she added, the CDC should change its position and offer farmworkers bird flu vaccines to protect them and ward off the chance of a hybrid bird flu that spreads quickly.

The rising number of cases not linked to farms signals a need for more testing in general. When patients are positive on a general flu test — a common diagnostic that indicates human, swine, or bird flu — clinics should probe more deeply, Nuzzo said.
The alternative is a wait-and-see approach in which the nation responds only after enormous damage to lives or businesses. This tack tends to rely on mass vaccination. But an effort analogous to Trump’s Operation Warp Speed is not assured, and neither is rollout like that for the first COVID shots, given a rise in vaccine skepticism among Republican lawmakers.

Change may instead need to start from the bottom up — on dairy farms, still the most common source of human infections, said Poulsen. He noticed a shift in attitudes among farmers at the Dairy Expo: “They’re starting to say, ‘How do I save my dairy for the next generation?’ They recognize how severe this is, and that it’s not just going away.”
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How the U.S. Lost Control of Bird Flu, Setting the Stage for Another Pandemic (Original Post) usonian Sunday OP
Very bad Meowmee Sunday #1
I'm afraid the next pandemic will make COVID-19 look like a 24 hr bug Norbert Yesterday #40
Yes I fear that too. I am buying more masks etc. to stock up. Meowmee 19 hrs ago #42
Jesus... PCIntern Sunday #2
its a hoax rampartd Sunday #6
And make the states compete against each other for supplies... keep_left Sunday #12
virus loves lassiez faire rampartd Sunday #15
Birds aren't real. CrispyQ Monday #26
fake birds flying over a flat earth under a moon made of margie taylor green cheese rampartd Monday #28
We've turned into the dumb, ugly American. CrispyQ Monday #34
the cultur war over evolution is well over a century old rampartd Monday #35
fake birds flying over a flat earth under a moon made of margie taylor green cheese Codifer Tuesday #38
merry christmas rampartd Yesterday #39
Wait for it. "Biden 'planted' bird flu" Maru Kitteh Sunday #10
They can always blame it on Hillary's emails or Hunter's laptop if all else fails SheltieLover Monday #27
I'm depressed after reading that article. Elessar Zappa Sunday #3
So long, been good to know ya . . Strelnikov_ Sunday #4
Well, if it happens I hope it isn't as bad under President Musk as it was with that other guy back in 2019. cstanleytech Sunday #5
Dump brings nothing but disease, death and destruction. roamer65 Sunday #7
Hate to say it but this is on Biden's administration 😞 Arazi Sunday #8
Nope, the flu knew Trump was coming and wanted to get a jump on it. dem4decades Monday #29
Not sure how. CrispyQ Monday #31
Read the article Arazi Monday #36
Thanks. I will take time to read up on it. -nt CrispyQ Monday #37
No one of sound mind could have even a scintilla of hope... keep_left Sunday #9
Vaccines OrangeJoe Sunday #13
We aren't anywhere near ready for this. There aren't close to enough vaccines... keep_left Sunday #16
I can believe that OrangeJoe Monday #24
This one's a bad boy - with a mortality rate of 50% in humans, it makes Covid look tame... PeaceWave Sunday #11
Why would an ill farm worker seek medical help, BidenRocks Sunday #14
That's not how it works. Maru Kitteh Monday #23
Message auto-removed Name removed Monday #25
The worst part; as mentioned in the report... EarthFirst Sunday #17
Every person involved in rounding up and warehousing immigrants not fooled Monday #20
The first public health priority of the new administration will be to ban tracking and counting Orrex Sunday #18
On all issues across the board.... Hugin Monday #22
I ordered more masks and purel type items just in case nini Sunday #19
I'm ready to go hermit style again like 2020 IzzaNuDay Monday #21
RFK Jr. asked Fresno County raw milk producer Mark McAfee to apply as FDA advisor - his milk had bird flu virus muriel_volestrangler Monday #30
Will Bob Kjr dweller Monday #32
Yes! And Drump will not die from Elon's poisoned hamberders. usonian Monday #33
We can't even blame Wuhan this time. President Eloon won't permit it. Norbert Yesterday #41

Norbert

(6,614 posts)
40. I'm afraid the next pandemic will make COVID-19 look like a 24 hr bug
Wed Dec 25, 2024, 07:08 AM
Yesterday

With, not only the irresponsible narcissist in charge, there is no guard rails and a raw milk drinking, worm brain calling some of the shots. Forget going back fifty years. We will be going back 100s of years to the Black Plague.

PCIntern

(27,015 posts)
2. Jesus...
Sun Dec 22, 2024, 07:16 PM
Sunday

Another nightmare. However Orangina will say that it’s no big deal and it’s just a few cases. And try some bleach and UV light.

rampartd

(878 posts)
6. its a hoax
Sun Dec 22, 2024, 08:02 PM
Sunday

and, of cours "i have no responsibility."

?"we have to stop testing. the more we test the worse my numbers get." trump

or really great : "we have to leave that to the states" as if birds stay inside their own states.

keep_left

(2,528 posts)
12. And make the states compete against each other for supplies...
Sun Dec 22, 2024, 08:58 PM
Sunday

...and make the state governors kiss his ass to get those supplies shipped, and force meatpacking plants to stay open so that the virus spreads, and...you get the picture. I called Covid the "free-market pandemic", because that's how we handled it under the Trump regime.

rampartd

(878 posts)
15. virus loves lassiez faire
Sun Dec 22, 2024, 09:07 PM
Sunday

i can not believe americans are so stupid that they want this team in charge of their health.

CrispyQ

(38,590 posts)
26. Birds aren't real.
Mon Dec 23, 2024, 10:08 AM
Monday

And just like that, a satire site becomes national policy.

https://birdsarentreal.com/

This is the fun page: https://birdsarentreal.com/pages/faq

What is this movement’s purpose?

The Birds Aren't Real movement exists to spread awareness that the U.S. Government genocided over 12 Billion birds from 1959-2001, and replaced these birds with surveillance drone replicas, which still watch us every day. Once a preventative cause, our initial goal was to stop the forced extinction of real birds. Unfortunately this was unsuccessful, and the government has since replaced every living bird with robotic replicas. Now our movement's prerogative is to make everyone aware of this fact.

What is bird poop?

Bird poop was originally thought to be oil discharge from earlier bird drone models. After further research though, this was disproven. Bird poop irregularly falls on vehicles in large amounts. Recent studies show that 87% of Bird Poop in populated areas falls on people’s cars. Why is this? Confidential documents leaked in 2018 revealing that “Bird Poop” is actually a form of liquidated tracking apparatus. If you walk outside and notice some bird poop just “happened” to fall on your car, be aware that you are now being tracked by the United States Government. It is recommended you clean your car exterior regularly to avoid this.


More answers to frequently asked questions at site.

rampartd

(878 posts)
28. fake birds flying over a flat earth under a moon made of margie taylor green cheese
Mon Dec 23, 2024, 10:11 AM
Monday

you can't make this stuff up/

CrispyQ

(38,590 posts)
34. We've turned into the dumb, ugly American.
Mon Dec 23, 2024, 10:41 AM
Monday

I never thought I'd see people turn their back on science.

rampartd

(878 posts)
35. the cultur war over evolution is well over a century old
Mon Dec 23, 2024, 10:45 AM
Monday

i neve thought louis pasteur or jonas salk would be put in the bag with darwin......

Codifer

(791 posts)
38. fake birds flying over a flat earth under a moon made of margie taylor green cheese
Tue Dec 24, 2024, 09:41 PM
Tuesday

I love cryptic crossword puzzles. When I first saw this, my mind was immediately trying to solve it.

Now I can't stop.

rampartd

(878 posts)
39. merry christmas
Wed Dec 25, 2024, 01:10 AM
Yesterday

i now feel like art carney with that bag of christmas presents from the twilight zone.

aand to all a good night

Maru Kitteh

(29,233 posts)
10. Wait for it. "Biden 'planted' bird flu"
Sun Dec 22, 2024, 08:49 PM
Sunday

If it gets bad, or even hints at becoming bad, the proverbial “some people” will be saying it, according to Trump.

Elessar Zappa

(16,082 posts)
3. I'm depressed after reading that article.
Sun Dec 22, 2024, 07:18 PM
Sunday

We’ve already fucked up, imagine how much worse the response will be when Trump’s in office and Bob K. is the head of the health agency.

cstanleytech

(27,179 posts)
5. Well, if it happens I hope it isn't as bad under President Musk as it was with that other guy back in 2019.
Sun Dec 22, 2024, 07:57 PM
Sunday

CrispyQ

(38,590 posts)
31. Not sure how.
Mon Dec 23, 2024, 10:20 AM
Monday

I haven't kept up on this so IDK, but has Biden's administration mishandled this? CA has already declared an emergency. Is there something more Biden should be doing?

No one blames Trump for Covid coming into the states. That was going to happen. It's the way he handed the situation after it was here that we take issue with.

Arazi

(7,075 posts)
36. Read the article
Mon Dec 23, 2024, 12:11 PM
Monday

His admin should have acted immediately when it was contained on just a few farms.

They’ve failed to enforce inspections.

They’re (still) failing to aggressively investigate sick workers.

Too much to list but the article is clear that this has been a massive clusterfuck.

keep_left

(2,528 posts)
9. No one of sound mind could have even a scintilla of hope...
Sun Dec 22, 2024, 08:37 PM
Sunday

...that the Trump regime will do the right thing when it comes to bird flu. Especially not with RFK Jr running HHS!

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100219842074#post9

What happens if the bird flu makes the full jump to humans and becomes easily transmissible? Things are already looking scary in farm country with cases which appear to be increasing. And you know that if we get a bird flu pandemic, Trump and his cronies will be at least as incompetent as they were during Covid. I just can't wait for Trump's whiny press conferences, where he complains about his ratings and the "fake news" while half the country is dying. Can you?

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100219490667#post23

Trump did absolutely everything wrong about Covid, including concealing information (which he had obtained through intelligence briefings) about its lethality. Then when he contracted Covid through his own stupidity--probably at one of his idiotic rallies---he got absolutely heroic measures which saved his life, including at least 16 courses of Regeneron antibody treatment.

Because Trump turned Covid into another front in the culture war, soon the MAGA chuds got in on the action as well. It wasn't long before his moronic followers created conspiracy theories about the vaccines (RFID chips, etc.) and refused to take them--even being fired from their health care jobs for their refusal...

OrangeJoe

(433 posts)
13. Vaccines
Sun Dec 22, 2024, 09:02 PM
Sunday

If a vaccine has already been developed I say bring it on and cull the herd. Anyone too stupid to get vaccinated can just croak.

keep_left

(2,528 posts)
16. We aren't anywhere near ready for this. There aren't close to enough vaccines...
Sun Dec 22, 2024, 09:20 PM
Sunday

...and some of them are still being developed. If this gets out of control, it will be extremely destabilizing, both economically and socially.

OrangeJoe

(433 posts)
24. I can believe that
Mon Dec 23, 2024, 09:51 AM
Monday

And if you are right something tells me Bobby K ain’t gonna fix it. Hopefully enough morons will refuse it and there will be enough for us.

PeaceWave

(1,057 posts)
11. This one's a bad boy - with a mortality rate of 50% in humans, it makes Covid look tame...
Sun Dec 22, 2024, 08:54 PM
Sunday
https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/22401-bird-flu

"Overall, the mortality (death) rate for bird flu in humans is high — historically, about half of all people with known infections have died. But most recent cases in the U.S. have been mild."

BidenRocks

(958 posts)
14. Why would an ill farm worker seek medical help,
Sun Dec 22, 2024, 09:03 PM
Sunday

knowing trump wants to deport them?
What if they keep working and pee on the lettuce?
What's in it for them?

California declared an emergency a month ago.
Raw milk even killed two cats.

Maru Kitteh

(29,233 posts)
23. That's not how it works.
Mon Dec 23, 2024, 06:12 AM
Monday

He can pee on your lettuce, and that presents it’s own problems but bird flu ain’t one of them. You’ll get bird flu from the farm worker when he goes to the CVS to get some Robitussin and coughs/sneezes on you while you wait in line with your high blood pressure meds.


Response to BidenRocks (Reply #14)

EarthFirst

(3,198 posts)
17. The worst part; as mentioned in the report...
Sun Dec 22, 2024, 09:27 PM
Sunday

…is that the looming immigration and deportation disaster will force agriculture workforce which need timely and intensive monitoring; will be less likely to report their symptoms under fear of repercussions due to their immigration status.

Coupled with the extreme distrust the overall farming industry has towards government intervention; and their known voting histories; this is another public health emergency unfolding before our eyes again.

not fooled

(6,114 posts)
20. Every person involved in rounding up and warehousing immigrants
Mon Dec 23, 2024, 02:43 AM
Monday

from farms and dairies is running the risk of contracting this flu.

Geez, if I was a LEO or private prison worker rarin' to go on the mass deportations, this would give me pause.

Orrex

(64,327 posts)
18. The first public health priority of the new administration will be to ban tracking and counting
Sun Dec 22, 2024, 10:17 PM
Sunday

If there's no widespread reporting of illness, it doesn't exist, right?

Hugin

(34,747 posts)
22. On all issues across the board....
Mon Dec 23, 2024, 05:56 AM
Monday

Pandemics. Global warming. Foreign conflict. Well, anything other than what good boys Moonface Musk and his sidekick whatizname are.

No bad news. Ever.

nini

(16,741 posts)
19. I ordered more masks and purel type items just in case
Sun Dec 22, 2024, 10:25 PM
Sunday

The way the world is now I’m just gonna stay stocked up on those things

IzzaNuDay

(689 posts)
21. I'm ready to go hermit style again like 2020
Mon Dec 23, 2024, 04:26 AM
Monday

Binge watch TV, garden, go for a walk, stay away from crowds. Might have to give up birdwatching if proven to be a risk.

If we were told to shelter in place again, I’d be on that quick!

muriel_volestrangler

(102,693 posts)
30. RFK Jr. asked Fresno County raw milk producer Mark McAfee to apply as FDA advisor - his milk had bird flu virus
Mon Dec 23, 2024, 10:19 AM
Monday
McAfee owns RAW FARM in Fresno County and says Kennedy has been a long-time customer, who now wants him to help create standards for getting raw milk safely on store shelves across the country.

"And then they called me back and confirmed that I actually had that application was submitted and told me thank you very much," McAffee said. "It's just a waiting game now to see if RFK is confirmed and whether the team for "make america healthy again" is confirmed and going forward."

Recently, state and federal health experts detecteMd the bird flu virus in milk samples from McAfee's farm.

And this week, the California Department of Public Health secured a voluntary recall for all Raw Milk and Cream products from his company.

https://abc7chicago.com/post/rfk-jr-asked-raw-farm-owner-mark-mcafee-center-milk-recall-apply-fda-advisor-donald-trump-administration/15625517/

And yes, pasteurization does work:

Experiments were devised to assess if virus artificially spiked into unpasteurised milk, would remain infectious after simulating a pasteurisation process while working inside our secure laboratories. The experimentation demonstrated that the pasteurisation successfully killed the virus, rendering milk that had been treated in this way safe. Samples were also assessed for virus survival over time in milk to mimic what might occur in a milking parlour where high concentrations of milk may be present in the environment that might act as a source of onward infection. This demonstrated that high levels of virus could be detected over a considerable time period in milk.

https://aphascience.blog.gov.uk/2024/12/02/aphas-response-to-high-pathogenicity-avian-influenza-threats-in-cattle/

Bird Flu Be Damned: Raw Farm Is Doubling Down On Selling Raw Milk At Scale

Mark McAfee hopes to become the chief advisor on raw milk in the next Trump Administration. The cofounder and CEO of Raw Farm, the country’s largest producer that’s been at the center of raw milk recalls in California, said he’s in discussion about the role and hoped to help Robert F. Kennedy Jr., a raw milk proponent who’s been nominated as the next Secretary of Health and Human Services, set standards on raw milk that would ensure safe production, while allowing more distribution of it.
...
It’s been a moment for the raw milk industry and for Fresno, California-based Raw Farm. First, Raw Farm recalled several batches of its milk and cream after testing by the California Department of Public Health found bird flu virus in samples of its milk. Then it shut its dairies while its herd is under quarantine. Over the past few weeks, the drumbeat of news about bird flu went from bad to worse, as the virus spread to cats and to people, with a child in California testing positive (from an unknown source) and a person in Louisiana being hospitalized with severe illness (likely exposed from a backyard flock). On December 18, with the California state agriculture department having found the virus in 645 dairy herds, California Governor Gavin Newsom declared an emergency.

Raw Farm’s family farmers aren’t backing down in their belief in the benefits of raw milk, which propelled the 100% family-owned business to sales of more than $30 million. With RFK Jr.’s nomination, they’re hoping to sell a lot more. Raw Farm’s president Aaron McAfee, Mark’s 40-year-old son, said that he expected sales to reach $100 million within three years, and that he was already thinking about product expansions. “One of our greatest value adds right now is that we specialize in making a product that everybody in the traditional industry says is impossible,” Aaron McAfee said. “Nobody believes you can do raw milk at scale.”

Federal health regulators have warned repeatedly about the risks of raw milk, which have caused 2,645 illnesses and 228 hospitalizations between 1998 and 2018, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. It’s legal in some states, illegal in others – and always illegal to transport it across state lines for human consumption. (Selling raw milk for pets across state lines is a different matter.) But California, where Raw Farm is based, is one of 15 states where retail sales are legal and something of a ground zero for the raw milk movement, which has brought together proponents of organic food who believe in its health benefits and conservatives who argue for their right to make their own choices without government interference. “Food is medicine is ringing true to the customers,” said Mark McAfee, who is also founder of the Raw Milk Institute and describes himself as a Bernie Sanders/Jill Stein Democrat. “Our consumers are saying, ‘Screw you, FDA, we want raw milk,’” he said.

https://archive.is/dCwn0 (archive of Forbes)

There's money to be made, so screw public health - put the people who will profit the most in charge of it, and the regulations just disappear, like bid flu during pasteurization!

usonian

(14,621 posts)
33. Yes! And Drump will not die from Elon's poisoned hamberders.
Mon Dec 23, 2024, 10:35 AM
Monday
There was a king reigned in the East:
There, when kings will sit to feast,
They get their fill before they think
With poisoned meat and poisoned drink.
He gathered all the springs to birth
From the many-venomed earth;
First a little, thence to more,
He sampled all her killing store;
And easy, smiling, seasoned sound,
Sate the king when healths went round.
They put arsenic in his meat
And stared aghast to watch him eat;
They poured strychnine in his cup
And shook to see him drink it up:
They shook, they stared as white's their shirt:
Them it was their poison hurt.

I tell the tale that I heard told.
Mithridates, he died old.


Norbert

(6,614 posts)
41. We can't even blame Wuhan this time. President Eloon won't permit it.
Wed Dec 25, 2024, 07:20 AM
Yesterday

We can't wreck the 10s of billions of dollars to be made in China.

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