Trump wants mass deportations. A ride-along with immigration officers shows the challenges

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

NEW YORK (AP) — The immigration officers sat in their vehicles before dawn near a two-story building. A New York subway line rumbled overhead, then an officer’s voice crackled over the radio. After watching for about two hours, he said, “I think that’s Tango,” using a term for target. “Gray hoodie. Backpack. Walking quickly.”

The immigration officers surrounded and handcuffed a 23-year-old man from Ecuador who had been convicted of sexually assaulting a minor.

Kenneth Genalo, head of Enforcement and Removal Operations for Immigration and Customs Enforcement in New York, said a popular misconception is that officers can sweep into a community and pick up a wide swath of people who are in the United States illegally and send them to their home countries.

“It’s called targeted enforcement,” Genalo said. “We don’t grab people and then take them to JFK and put them on a plane.”

https://apnews.com/article/deportation-trump-immigration-ice-border-ba586dc760a5ffab73c0611fbf924df9

[MineralMan]

1. Yes, that's how it's being done now. However, I think Trump wants something else.

I think his expectation is that ICE can just round up people, haul them away, and sort them out later. If some end up getting deported wrongly, well, that's how it works. I think that's what he has in mind.

Also, let's say the ICE people pick someone up who is here without documentation, but that there are a bunch of people living in the same place he lives. Why not just take them all in. You know, if they're here legally, they can prove that and won't get deported. But, of course, people don't carry around proof that they're here legally all the time. So, some are going to get deported anyhow. No big deal, they're going to say. They can work it out later.

Trump doesn't believe in the "innocent until proven guilty thing," you see. Not when it comes to migrants, anyhow.

I expect a lot of people are going to get deported who shouldn't be deported. I think that's the plan.

[MichMan]

2. Why shouldn't those convicted of sexually assaulting minors be deported ?

Besides the 23-year-old Ecuadorian man, they were going after a 36-year-old Mexican man convicted of forcibly touching a young girl and another Ecuadorian also convicted of sexual abuse of a minor.

In New York City, for example, ICE used to have an office at the jail to easily take custody of noncitizens. In 2014, then-Mayor Bill de Blasio signed legislation kicking out ICE and restricting police cooperation. His successor, Eric Adams, has shown willingness to revisit some of those policies. He recently met with Homan and told reporters they agreed on pursuing people who commit violent crimes.

Genalo said agents spend time and resources picking up immigrants few would argue should have the right to stay in America.

“How can you state that sanctuary policies help the community when you’re releasing all these criminals right back into the community?” he said. “We’re safer when we collaborate.”

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

3. I don't think that's what they're arguing

I think it's rather guys like him are a priority.

[MichMan]

4. The city has a policy of not cooperating with ICE, releasing convicted criminals, and daring ICE to find them themselves

They should be a priority for deportation. Seems like the city is doing everything they can to protect them from being deported. Why?

Is that what the residents of NYC want in their neighborhoods? Child molesters?

[wnylib]

5. Agree. The point being made in the OP is that

removing people for deportation is not as simple as rounding up people by groups.

I can't imagine that anyone would advocate for protecting convicted sex criminals. In fact, the question that comes to my mind is why are they on the street and not in jail?

I also wonder if the home countries of convicted criminals would accept them back. Then what do we do with them after they complete serving a sentence?

[MichMan]

6. They must prefer them out on the streets, or they wouldn't have a law preventing cooperation with ICE.

"I can't imagine that anyone would advocate for protecting convicted sex criminals. In fact, the question that comes to my mind is why are they on the street and not in jail?"

In New York City, for example, ICE used to have an office at the jail to easily take custody of noncitizens. In 2014, then-Mayor Bill de Blasio signed legislation kicking out ICE and restricting police cooperation. His successor, Eric Adams, has shown willingness to revisit some of those policies. He recently met with Homan and told reporters they agreed on pursuing people who commit violent crimes.

As ridiculous as this sounds to a large swath of the country, I guess NYC residents are OK with it.

[wnylib]

7. It does not have to be either/or.

The purpose of the NYC non cooperation policy with ICE is to prevent family separations, protect naturalized citizens from over zealous ICE agents, protect people born here whose parents are/were immigrants from zealous roundups, keep dreamers from being lumped in with other immigrants, protect asylum seekers whose cases are still pending, protect people who have legal green card status from being rounded up indiscriminately by anti immigrant vigilantes.

When an immigrant is convicted of a serious crime, NYC could notify ICE, if there is no appeal. There is a possibility that appeals would be filed as a delaying tactic, but if they lose the appeal, they still get deported. Since anti immigrant feeling could result in a wrongful conviction, the appeal option should be available.

[MichMan]

8. It does have to be either/or as long there is a law on the books for the last 10 years forbidding any cooperation

I don't know what the penalty is for any police that break that law by informing ICE, but assuming it might be grounds for firing and criminal prosecution.

Sure the law could be changed to exempt people convicted of crimes, but it wasn't written that way when it was passed 10 years ago and hasn't been changed.

[wnylib]

9. NYC has no process for amending laws?

No possibility that lawmakers could discuss an amendment with ICE regarding convicted criminals, and which convictions would apply, i.e. misdemeanors vs. felonies?

What does the specific law state? Do you have a link to it?

[Blue_Tires]

10. When the mass deportations don't happen

Angry Trumpers are going to take the law into their own hands like the El Paso Wal-Mart mass shooter