Twitter MAGATs all up in arms: Vivek and Elon want to hire foreign talent over American

[CatWoman]

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Vivek woke up the day after Xmas and thought to himself, Let me go posts to my white supremacist followers that; American students are lazy and stupid and Immigrants are smarter because their parents didn’t let them watch “saved by the bell”
They COOKING his ass 😂!

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It’s a testament to Vivek and Elon’s arrogance that they really believed they could convince the MAGA morons that importing technical talent was essential to American success.

They should have backed the Democrats if they wanted to appeal to reason.

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Watching Vivek, Elon and Sacks try to explain their rationale about importing foreign born talent, to the America First morons, has been absolutely glorious.

The slack jawed MAGA crowd really thinks that you can take uneducated white dudes and train them to become engineers. 🫠

[regnaD kciN]

1. Somewhere in "red" America...

…there are a bunch of leopards who are suffering indigestion from having eaten too many MAGAt faces.

[TheBlackAdder]

19. Smart engineers are in the USA, so smart they don't want to work 70-80hr weeks for a meniacal ketamine sociopath.

[CatWoman]

2. this is the tweet that got the ball rolling

The reason top tech companies often hire foreign-born & first-generation engineers over “native” Americans isn’t because of an innate American IQ deficit (a lazy & wrong explanation). A key part of it comes down to the c-word: culture. Tough questions demand tough answers & if we’re really serious about fixing the problem, we have to confront the TRUTH:

Our American culture has venerated mediocrity over excellence for way too long (at least since the 90s and likely longer). That doesn’t start in college, it starts YOUNG.

A culture that celebrates the prom queen over the math olympiad champ, or the jock over the valedictorian, will not produce the best engineers.

A culture that venerates Cory from “Boy Meets World,” or Zach & Slater over Screech in “Saved by the Bell,” or ‘Stefan’ over Steve Urkel in “Family Matters,” will not produce the best engineers.

(Fact: I know *multiple* sets of immigrant parents in the 90s who actively limited how much their kids could watch those TV shows precisely because they promoted mediocrity…and their kids went on to become wildly successful STEM graduates).

More movies like Whiplash, fewer reruns of “Friends.” More math tutoring, fewer sleepovers. More weekend science competitions, fewer Saturday morning cartoons. More books, less TV. More creating, less “chillin.” More extracurriculars, less “hanging out at the mall.”

Most normal American parents look skeptically at “those kinds of parents.” More normal American kids view such “those kinds of kids” with scorn. If you grow up aspiring to normalcy, normalcy is what you will achieve.

Now close your eyes & visualize which families you knew in the 90s (or even now) who raise their kids according to one model versus the other. Be brutally honest.

“Normalcy” doesn’t cut it in a hyper-competitive global market for technical talent. And if we pretend like it does, we’ll have our asses handed to us by China.

This can be our Sputnik moment. We’ve awaken from slumber before & we can do it again. Trump’s election hopefully marks the beginning of a new golden era in America, but only if our culture fully wakes up. A culture that once again prioritizes achievement over normalcy; excellence over mediocrity; nerdiness over conformity; hard work over laziness.

That’s the work we have cut out for us, rather than wallowing in victimhood & just wishing (or legislating) alternative hiring practices into existence. I’m confident we can do it. 🇺🇸 🇺🇸
11:02 AM · Dec 26, 2024
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[hlthe2b]

6. Thanks for sharing the rest.

[CatWoman]

23. i've been on Twitter laughing my ass off all evening

this shit is getting juicier and juicier. they are openly rebelling against Musk and Vivek

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[CatWoman]

25. OMG! Matt Gaetz is now going after Elon Musk... this is getting good! MAGA civil war is happening right now!

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[hlthe2b]

28. OMG Now that IS something.

While I could gorge on popcorn, damn! Is he really going to force me to clap for him against the billionaire tech morons?

[travelingthrulife]

43. Yeah. Don't clap for someone lying about teachers choosing kid's gender.

[hlthe2b]

50. Obviously I and everyone else here is NOT.

'Way to miss the point, totally.

You are new here. In the future, I suggest you refrain from intentionally misinterpreting a post and making such accusations toward DUers.

[Girard442]

30. Engineering is a great starter career move but plan to shift to plan B...

...before you hit 40.

[LearnedHand]

27. One thousand recs for your analysis

I don't disagree that parents have to let kids be kids (you didn't say that; it's just a cultural belief), but I wholeheartedly agree that parents MUST place children in challenging activities and work hard to spur their curiosity. Read to them when they are babies/toddlers/primary schoolers to create lifelong readers. Wonder aloud with them about how things work or why they are the way they are. Play number games with them! Give all children building sets or microscopes. Teach them to wonder "why" and "how."

[ms liberty]

34. That was the full text of Ramaswamy's tweet, not CatWoman's analysis.

You're agreeing with Ramaswamy's comments.

[LearnedHand]

47. Not at all, although there's a grain of trith there

I was agreeing with the heart of the OP.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

3. This is what Trump's people think about their voters.

[Cha]

4. The Beginnings of Fucking Buyers' REMORSE!

[msongs]

5. immigrants will work cheaper. all else is gaslighting nt

[underpants]

7. They are also more vulnerable than just losing a job.

As I understand work visas.

[hatrack]

41. Also precisely THIS.

[Bristlecone]

11. 100 percent. H1B visa sponsorship also holds them over a barrel

[hatrack]

40. This. Precisely This.

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[keithbvadu2]

8. VP Trump was actually ahead of President Musk on this issue.

Remember:::: whatever bad things Donald says about violent "illegals"/undoc immigrants, he would rather import and hire them than pay Americans.

He only quit hiring them when it became politically inconvenient.

[Progressive dog]

9. Of course they do

and it has nothing to do with talent. American engineers are still the best in the world. Elon wants cheaper engineers, not better ones.

[jmowreader]

10. Not quite

Companies often hire foreign-born talent because an H1B visa is tied to one company. If Alpha Company hires an H1B then the H1B decides to quit because he's being crapped on so badly, the individual has to return to his home country and go back through the process. Americans aren't so constrained.

[gypsy11]

33. This

100% this. I’ve worked in major international corporations that absolutely do this for the reasons you stated. The treatment of the boots on the ground workers in these types of corporations is extremely toxic and abusive. The visa holders absolutely take the abuse because the alternative is more undesirable. I had a front row seat for many years, until I got too old, at which point I was discarded like a pile of garbage.

[hatrack]

42. Also saves the hassle of drawing up an NCA . . .

Not that they should be enforceable anyway but . . .

[usonian]

12. As Charlie Chan used to say: "Contradiction Please"

OK. VIvek is basically arguing for a meritocracy, rather than "privilege",
• say of sons of rich dads achieving "great things" with minds of below average IQ, but having superior criminal skills, or
• say of kids who got into college because their dads were rich, or "legacy" or say,
• kids whose dad owned a business, like Steve Forbes or Jed York and Mark Davis of football.

And saying that book 'larnin other than THE BIBLE is what America needs.

Wow. He gonna be thrown under the bus real soon.

[IcyPeas]

13. This bit is rich:

A culture that celebrates the prom queen over the math olympiad champ, or the jock over the valedictorian, will not produce the best engineers.

Or a president who hires tv hosts for important jobs instead of someone with actual qualifications and experience. Or a hershel walker.... etc.

Prom queen: or like a melania . Whereas they denigrate Jill Biden and Michelle Obama.

Give me a break.... they love the stupid people aka gop voters.

[CatWoman]

16. Racists Outraged as Indians Like Vivek Take Over Tech Jobs

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[BlueWaveNeverEnd]

18. ..and Vivek is no great braniac. Made his money with shady methods

[travelingthrulife]

44. They have zero self recognition.

[malaise]

14. Who didn't see this coming?

😂😂😂😂

[CatWoman]

15. MAGA civil war breaks out over American "mediocrity" culture

https://www.axios.com/2024/12/26/maga-civil-war-ramaswamy-musk-loomer-cernovich?utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=editorial&utm_medium=social

[Skittles]

24. I did nazi this coming

oh wait....YES I DID!!!

[BlueWaveNeverEnd]

17. MAGAts remind him that his skin is brown in their racist replies.

American culture,” one conservative replied, going on to remind him how racist much of the MAGA base is. “Neil Armstrong, greater than any Indian to ever live and product of American culture, chose the less academic Purdue over MIT because he liked the football team.”

“‘Us’, ‘our’, ‘we’. No. YOU are going back,” another MAGA supporter replied.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/vivek-ramaswamy-dragged-wild-rant-210515949.html

[CatWoman]

20. lol - Coulter told him to his face

Ann Coulter: No regrets over labeling Ramaswamy as ‘Indian’

Coulter: I wouldn’t vote for Ramaswamy because he’s ‘Indian’
Ramaswamy was born in the U.S. to Indian immigrant parents
Coulter: Presidents shouldn't be from recently immigrated families


https://www.newsnationnow.com/danabramslive/ann-coulter-no-regrets-over-indian-label-of-ramaswamy/

[EllieBC]

21. How long before Musk and Trump and Vivek

have a huge relationship breakdown? My bet is before May.

[Strelnikov_]

49. My bet is end of January.

Once sworn in.

Unless another briefcase of bitcoin is offered, of course.

[Figarosmom]

22. So immigrants good

Not bad?

[zorbasd]

26. Oh, you mean MAGAts find out how much contempt

the Indian and South African immigrants have so against them. Elitists!

[Askov_Finlyson]

29. "Republicans in Disarray!"

Said no legacy media outlet ever.

[Shrek]

32. Washington Post

https://archive.is/ybMSA

A MAGA ‘Civil War’ on X between Musk and the far right over H-1B visas

Far-right activists clashed online with billionaire Elon Musk and other supporters of President-elect Donald Trump over the need for a skilled-worker immigration program that has long been a lifeblood for Silicon Valley — signifying a potential rift between Trump’s core nationalist base and technology executives who have come to support him.

The fight that spilled into public view over the holiday week could preview a wedge within Trump’s coalition over how to execute immigration policy, an issue that animated Trump’s White House campaign.

Notable Republicans, including former GOP presidential candidate Nikki Haley, championed Loomer’s position. “There is nothing wrong with American workers or American culture,” she said Thursday on X. “We should be investing and prioritizing in Americans, not foreign workers.”

The online feud reflects the challenges that Trump will have holding together the delicate political coalition that delivered him the White House, which included unprecedented levels of financial support from Musk and other Silicon Valley billionaires.

[Nittersing]

48. Interesting that the Post only hinted at the lower pay rate for visa holders. nt

[Midnight Writer]

31. I feel so ashamed that I didn't spend my life working 80-hour weeks so that Elon and Vivek could make more money.

[durablend]

36. There's 168 hours in a week

You should be ashamed for only considering providing 80 hours of it for our betters.

[ms liberty]

35. We might as well enjoy the show...

[Jit423]

37. Really? Did people just now figure that out?

Did anyone call any company for technical help and NOT get an Asian or Indian agent? Help calls usually take an extra 30-45 minutes to resolve because of the language barrier.

[dalton99a]

38. Ramaswamy's c-word is COST. He doesn't want to hire Americans and pay American wages

[uponit7771]

39. EXACTLY !!! WSJ - "IT Unemployment Hits 6% Amid Overall U.S. Jobs Growth"

[BoRaGard]

45. "Ha ha, magat suckers. Ha ha!" - G.O.P. Billionaire Bros, Inc.

[rasputin1952]

46. Thank you for this...

I don't "do" Social Media as it reminds me of "Idocracy".

There is a Bumper Crop of morons in MAGA-World. I am enjoying the play-by-play.

[bucolic_frolic]

51. Stupid bearded ingrates not good enough for them?

uppity