Greenland only has a population of 56,000. If Trump attacks, can they defend themselves?

[PeaceWave]

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I'm starting to think this lunatic is serious about taking the world's largest island away from Denmark. Presumably, he'd have to remove us from NATO first, then he'd thumb his nose at NATO once he attacked Denmark's territory. What kind of effed up world is this that we even have to consider such a possibility?

Follow up:

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/team-trumps-case-owning-greenland-takes-unsettling-turn-rcna185733

"Former national security adviser Robert O’Brien said in a Sunday (12/29/24) interview that Denmark should let the U.S. 'buy' Greenland if it cannot defend the self-governing country, noting the territory will become increasingly important in the coming years."

[Chipper Chat]

1. Ask CNN

[mr715]

2. I assume

mass resignations from the DOD


Point Being : It isn't going to happen but it is a very provocative (and tactical) story to talk about.

[thucythucy]

17. You think enough people are going to sacrifice their careers

to stop this from happening? Really?

Refresh my memory: when was the last time we saw "mass resignations" in response to any US foreign policy decision, enough to put a stop to it? From the DoD, the State Department, or from any other agency of the federal government?

"It isn't going to happen" is all too often followed by, 'I can't believe this is really happening."

I think when it comes to Mango Mussolini, all bets are off.

[mr715]

20. I never expected the President to raid Congress

But also, respectfully, you are here using the epithet "Mango Mussolini". He's Trump.

Owning Greenland is a fun little diversion away from the real harm that is going to happen. Yes. Our diplomatic standing with the Kingdom of Denmark will suffer a blow, but I don't think Greenlandic sovereignty is in question. Honestly I think it is a question for the King of Denmark of the Archduke of the Panama Canal.


MR

[niyad]

28. Do you have a problem with "mango mussolini", or indeed, any of

the names we use for that F'n, insane, murdering, orange, RAPIST, TRAITOR**? Please tell me that you are not suggesting that we treat him with respect!!!

[mr715]

29. I think it is important to laugh at bad people

I am certainly not suggesting treating him with respect. I am suggesting that through his singular incompetence and incoherence we may yet be saved from dictatorship. I'm not saying it is likely, and I'm enjoying a lot of beer.


Oyah, lets give him lots of respect. Shame to my home town of NYC. Honestly, gotta give him respect for single handedly lowering the psychic value of NYC by simply being associated with it...

I remember after 9/11 he wanted to rebuilt the exact same towers, except with gold color and 1' taller. At the time (I was a freshman at NYU) I liked that plan.

But yeah, he is the Whore of Babylon. I shall rejoice in his ruin.


MR

[mr715]

30. To be honest,

Mango Mussolini is all well and good, but I want to laugh at his real name. No Voldemort shit. The name Donald Trump should be marked in history as a joke. The joke happens to be on us, but such is the burden of history.

Gore Vidal mentioned how Washington DC would make fine ruins someday. He is still correct.

I appreciate you niyad.


MR

[niyad]

36. Thank you. I believe in belittling, deriding, and making fun of him in every

possible insulting way.

[thucythucy]

35. Just to be clear, in response to my question,

you can't in fact cite any instance where any foreign policy initiative of the US government was met with "mass resignations."

Which is why I doubt this is at all likely to happen in this instance.

[brush]

23. Foolish trump, willing to risk alienation of NATO over a Denmark colony?

Further evidence of his insanity/mental decline. And of course it'll never happen. Demmark will retain Greenland.

[ananda]

44. Typical idiotic nonsense and distraction.

...

[magicarpet]

3. Greenland is covered by NATO.

Sourced from AI,...

Greenland is a self-governing Danish territory that has been covered by the North Atlantic Treaty since Denmark joined NATO in 1949. Greenlandic representatives participate in NATO delegations along with Denmark.

[PeaceWave]

5. I know this. But, the clown has suggested removing us from NATO.

[magicarpet]

10. But if Greenland was subject to attack or if its sovereign territory was threatened,...

,... the combined military forces of NATO member countries would immediately come to Grenland's and Denmark's defenses. Even if the threat was coming from the USA to seize or confiscate their land.

A foolish move if Team trDUMP thought it a good idea - and not djt's mouth playing alpha male tough guy thug for the cameras.

[PeaceWave]

12. I just feel like this lunatic is Teflon and would somehow force some kind of concession.

[magicarpet]

14. If trDump comes against world courts and world governmental decision making bodies,..

.... he will not get the red carpet treatment like he can expect in AmeriKKKa. World leaders know his game and will not give him much leeway.

[ColinC]

25. Whether he removes us from NATO or not, if he attacks a NATO country, its basicaly world war 3

[Polybius]

39. It's more complicated with a NATO member attacking another NATO member, especially the head of NATO (US)

Here's a good article on member vs. member attacks.

https://incasumagazine.nl/magazine/in-casu-magazine-nr-24/what-if-nato-members-go-to-war-against-each-other/

[ColinC]

41. Thank you!

I wasn't able to copy paste it, but the paragraph about article 5 said that if there is a clear agressor in a member to member conflict, then article 5 would be triggered. The article makes clear there are many ways in which a clear aggressor could be up in the air and nato intervention woild be complicated. However, if Trump follows through with his plans to blatantly invade somebody as he has threatened for years, I could imagine there would be no question who the aggressor is.

It isnt entirely obvious tho how serious or blatant Trump is intending to be with these threats. My guess is he will just do whatever he feels like on a random Tuesday...

[stopdiggin]

4. nobody is 'considering' such a possibility

Well - outside of a few whom are what we shall call - ' highly imaginative' ...

[ColinC]

26. No. Conquering and destroying is among the least imaginative concepts

It is, in effect, the absolute absence of imagination.

An imagination vacuum.

There is, after all, nothing less imaginative.

[stopdiggin]

31. Sorry. 'Imagining' that we are going to invade and conquer Greenland

is the very essence of wild imagination.
(and I was making every effort to be 'gentle' in using that description)

please take up your discussion elsewhere ..... I am the farthest thing from interested ...

[ColinC]

33. "Imagination," Noun....

"the faculty or action of forming new ideas, or images or concepts of external objects not present to the sense."

Conquering, taking by force and destroying is the very definition of an old idea. It is perhaps one of the oldest ideas in civilization.

Perhaps you can find other words to make your point, but with all due respect, calling it "imagination" is an insult to the word, and all those who truly have ever imagined.

The biggest problem with these fuckers is they literally have no imagination, so they revert to the oldest ideas since before the wheel was even invented. Which frankly aren't even ideas at all: they are emotional impulses rooted in their most primitive parts of the brain.

[Ocelot II]

6. He can't unilaterally withdraw from NATO.

the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2024, enacted last December, prohibits the President from unilaterally withdrawing from NATO without approval of a two-third Senate super-majority or an act of Congress. So that's not happening. And if he did manage to get the US out of NATO and he attacked Greenland/Denmark, the other NATO countries would be obligated to defend Denmark. That could get very, very messy. Trump considers other countries to be just real estate that can be bought and sold, but he'd find out the hard way that it's not.

[Srkdqltr]

7. Aren't they part of Denmark? Denmark is in NATO.

Actually...with global warming, it might not be a bad deal. Think of the resorts, the minerals, oil drilling in the future.

[tirebiter]

9. Denmark was a founding member of NATO in 1949.

[magicarpet]

15. Grenland is an active member of NATO.

Greenland is covered by NATO.
10:21 PM

Sourced from AI,...

Greenland is a self-governing Danish territory that has been covered by the North Atlantic Treaty since Denmark joined NATO in 1949. Greenlandic representatives participate in NATO delegations along with Denmark

[HereForTheParty]

47. Self governing territory, similar to Puerto Rico

nm

[BOSSHOG]

8. If the scenario plays out

We could be at War with NATO. Just what Vlad wants. Ya know Vlad? Trumps other Boss? The news about Russias almost Daly losses in Ukraine for quite some time makes me wonder just what kind of superpower they are? If they were a superpower wouldn’t they have defeated Ukraine on Day One?

[stopdiggin]

11. Russia is pretty much beating the snot out of Ukraine

right at the moment. (which side will ultimately be fatally sapped of strength and will to proceed is a pretty grim calculus right now)

The remaining part of your post is pretty much spot on. Driving a wedge (of any description) into western cohesion and cooperation ... Benefits ALL of our common adversaries ... (including terrorists and nihilists)

[mr715]

21. Ukraine punched way above expectations

This was never a conflict where there was an unexpected outcome. What is telling is how easily Ukraine was able to break the forward Russian defense apparatus and how vastly outclassed their intel community is to NATO.

[stopdiggin]

32. don't get me wrong. Ukraine has acquitted themselves far above expectation

on a whole slate of measures. And, still .......

[niyad]

37. And, still.. . . what, exactly?

[stopdiggin]

43. and they're still getting slowly ground down

with many indicators not pointing in the right direction. Plain enough?

[niyad]

45. Explication is good. Veiled insults because one is not mindreading are not.

[Initech]

13. Serious question - how the fuck can we have no money to keep our government functioning..

Yet we have enough to stage imaginary wars against Greenland and Panama because we have a fragile man child as the leader of the free world?

[mr715]

22. Tariffs, duh nt

nt

[Silent Type]

16. So far he's just talked about BUYING them, not attacks. Plus, DUers have posted that if he

did attack Greenland that would trigger some international agreements that could stop trump. Unfortunately, he’s crazy enough to do just about anything. But think Congress would stop him.

[Diraven]

27. And they'd better sell, or else...

There are MAGA propagandists arguing precisely this - that if they refuse to be bought we're totally justified in taking them by force, because we can.

[ornotna]

18. I would think that a great many of that 56,000

Would be able to beat the shit out of that fat fuck.

He's all talk.

[Gore1FL]

19. The first step is finding a general who wouldfollow the order. nt

[Renew Deal]

48. I think it would be harder to find one that wouldn't.

[iemanja]

24. They have Denmark behind them

but even so, the answer is probably no. I hope Trump is just spewing bullshit, as he often does.

I think it more likely he withdraws the US from NATO because that's what Putin wants.

[LearnedHand]

34. Take the orange anus at his word

Whether he can accomplish it is another thing, but we better act as if he seriously intends to do it. In the past he almost always tried to do exactly what he said he'd do. He's stupid and malignant and uninformed, but he acts on what he sets his tiny mind to.

[Polybius]

38. No one can defend themselves if attacked by the US

Not even China, although that would take time, maybe even decades. A population of 56,000 would take a day.

[EX500rider]

42. Yeah even with NATO behind Denmark they don't have the reach to beat the US off our shores

[Ping Tung]

40. Trump is employing the negotiating method used at Hiroshima.

He'll send Copenhagen a visitor called Enola Gay II.

[PeaceWave]

46. Now, things are getting interesting...Denmark is bolstering Greenland's millitary defenses.

https://www.axios.com/2024/12/24/denmark-greenland-defense-spending-trump-us-control-comments

[Norbert]

49. All they need to do is dress amputees in military uniforms.

That alone should keep him away.