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orleans

(35,275 posts)
Thu Dec 26, 2024, 11:34 PM Thursday

in an attempt to soothe my soul (when i was a teenager) my mother used to say

"everything happens for a reason"
--to help me thru those angsty rollercoaster years of love and loss, of on again/off again friendships, relationships that ran hot and cold and some that were utterly devastating

it was said with the same intent as the phrase when one door closes another door opens
or look at it on the bright side
or every cloud has a silver lining

it was something my mom tried to offer me to give me hope that things will get better

"everything happens for a reason" (with the implication being that there was a good reason for the bad thing to happen but there is something better ahead)

(ah youth, right?)

while in the moment i was doubtful and skeptical i'd still try (sooner or later) to come around, wanting to believe her, to take it to heart in order to comfort myself thru the lows

then, at seventeen, a dear friend of mine, also seventeen, was murdered. (her killer was never caught btw)
that changed everything.

suddenly that consolation phrase of "everything happens for a reason" meant absolutely nothing
it felt like one big lie

after that, the next time my mom told me "everything happens for a reason" i yelled at her to never say that to me again. (and she never did.) i demanded to know what could possibly be the reason my friend had been brutally murdered; because some guy was mad at her or just mad at the world, or fucking crazy? i guess those are reasons but they aren't good reasons, justifiable reasons, rational reasons

there was no cloud with a silver lining. she was dead. dead, dead, dead

i broadened my perspective: the holocaust.
no good reason, no justifiable reason, nothing rational at all; crazy people, mad men, go along to get along "good" germans
there was no cloud with a silver lining
not a whisper. not a hint. not a bit.
and that horror and tragedy and devastation has lived on for generations

justice? maybe sometimes but there is no guarantee of it and it's not foolproof.
one word: trump

karma?
yeah...where is that? "what goes around comes around"
really? i don't think so.
one word: trump

i wish, i wish, i wish i was fourteen, fifteen, sixteen again with my mother telling me "everything happens for a reason" and i could assume it was a good reason, and, in spite of my skepticism, i would try with all my heart to believe what she said was true, that wrongs would be righted, that the universe was fair and just, that things would work out, and everything would be alright.

(god, i miss my mom. every day)

if you got this far then thanks for reading. i kept debating if i should just delete all this. i know it's a ramble and train of thought piece where i seem to jump the tracks a few times. sorry, i've been under the weather lately (good excuse, right?) (but true) and this was how my brain was gliding along tonight.

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in an attempt to soothe my soul (when i was a teenager) my mother used to say (Original Post) orleans Thursday OP
Definitely don't delete. Enjoyed reading and get it. Silent Type Thursday #1
'It's always darkest before the dawn.' Dad elleng Thursday #2
I used to hear the same things from mother SheltieLover Thursday #3
question: in the fullness of your adult experience of life, (and lessons) stopdiggin Thursday #4
oh yes, of course i understand what she was trying to say orleans Yesterday #5
and, as I said - you had EVERY right in the world .... stopdiggin Yesterday #12
Oh my dear orleans . . . CaliforniaPeggy Yesterday #6
Sometimes for no understandable reason StarryNite Yesterday #7
yes. nt orleans Yesterday #8
So many good reminders here. Hope22 Yesterday #9
thank you for your lovely reply nt orleans Yesterday #11
Your despair is part of a process nuxvomica Yesterday #10
Every year in December I re-read a book by Terry Pratchett called Hogfather... Hekate Yesterday #13
that's beautiful and very profound, hekate. thank you for that. nt orleans 17 hrs ago #18
just put Hogfather on hold at library. there is a DVD of it as well. PUt it on hold too. Amaryllis 11 hrs ago #21
I also watch the movie once a year... Hekate 1 hr ago #22
"everything happens for a reason"--I think that's horseshit. raccoon 23 hrs ago #14
I dunno. no_hypocrisy 23 hrs ago #15
There is always a chain of events which amount to a "cause" of WHY something happened, but... Martin Eden 21 hrs ago #16
God's will, everything happens for a reason, karma is a bitch, etc. ThreeNoSeep 21 hrs ago #17
cause and effect - yes, i get that. orleans 17 hrs ago #19
Thank you for starting this discussion. yellow dahlia 15 hrs ago #20

SheltieLover

(60,355 posts)
3. I used to hear the same things from mother
Thu Dec 26, 2024, 11:51 PM
Thursday

Best I can ascertain is that sometimes it appeared as if there was a good reason for many of life's little losses that were magnified through the lense of childhood & young adulthood only because something much worse occurred later that could potentially have been tied to the first disappointment.

I believe in my mother's case anyway, she picked up these lines of bs from religion, specifically the Catholic religion.

I actually heard a priest spew the when one door closes, another opens during funeral mass, if you can believe that.

My advice is to take 2 fuckitalls & call in the morning. Lol

stopdiggin

(13,020 posts)
4. question: in the fullness of your adult experience of life, (and lessons)
Thu Dec 26, 2024, 11:58 PM
Thursday

Do you now, and with a larger perspective, have some idea of what your Mom was trying to say with those words ..?

Or is it still pretty much just a pile of BS crap and party streamers .. ? Or, as they say - - "Turtles all the way down?"

(but .. either way ... Boy, can we all appreciate that 17 year old screaming out at her Mom - and the world ... With every justification in the world ... )

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orleans

(35,275 posts)
5. oh yes, of course i understand what she was trying to say
Fri Dec 27, 2024, 12:28 AM
Yesterday

i understood it then

but when my friend was killed i just couldn't hear those words anymore.
(it's been nearly fifty years and i never truly got over the loss of that girl)

stopdiggin

(13,020 posts)
12. and, as I said - you had EVERY right in the world ....
Fri Dec 27, 2024, 02:20 AM
Yesterday

One of the things that I remember about my own parent - - was how absolutely enraged she would become when someone tried to pass off the, "It was God's will .." claptrap. Wow !! Did I see some people getting their ears pinned back !!

(actually felt a little sorry ... even while completely agreeing ... knew even back then that they weren't trying ... probably all they had, mamby-pamby and weak kneed as it was ... ) But, still - just wasn't cutting any ice around here !!

CaliforniaPeggy

(152,475 posts)
6. Oh my dear orleans . . .
Fri Dec 27, 2024, 12:49 AM
Yesterday

My heart goes out to you as you live through that dreadful, and enduring loss.

Grief is such a hard thing to be in. You don't get over it; you get used to it.



Hope22

(3,112 posts)
9. So many good reminders here.
Fri Dec 27, 2024, 01:40 AM
Yesterday

The words we say to the inconsolable matter. Sometimes the words we use and our need to sooth or save a loved one from pain get in the way. Also, at a time when we are consumed by the threats of he who shall not be named your words are a reminder that we have survived some unbelievable circumstances in life to end up here. When I look back at things that I have survived in the past I need to remind myself that I made it through challenges before. Just because I don’t want this monster screwing with our lives it doesn’t mean that I don’t have it in me to suck it up and do the best that I can to survive this. Thank you for sharing this post and if it’s OK I just want to say how sorry I am for the loss of your friend. You were very brave to carry on. Your momma was trying her best. I’m sure she too was frightened to the bone as well. Peace and love to you. Thank you again for this post. 💗💗🙏🏼💐

nuxvomica

(13,018 posts)
10. Your despair is part of a process
Fri Dec 27, 2024, 01:43 AM
Yesterday

Placing you at a juncture where you can either give into the world's corruption or fight against it. This is part of the age-old hero's journey, a pattern of growth that humans probably instinctively follow as it has been the subject of storytelling since at least the Epic of Gilgamesh. The stories are needed because the call to heroism is not always answered and requires instruction, especially at the point of despair when there is the least incentive to answer it. When you become the hero, the one who protects innocence from corruption, your success is not assured, the stories only teach us it is possible, but your life will have meaning, which is more than can be said of the lives of certain billionaires who have rejected the call.

Hekate

(95,307 posts)
13. Every year in December I re-read a book by Terry Pratchett called Hogfather...
Fri Dec 27, 2024, 02:53 AM
Yesterday

Sir Terry wrote fantasy — and he was a deeply wise observer of humanity and its condition. Please bear with me. I’m sorry for the long intro, but without it the quote from the book wouldn’t make as much sense.

On the Discworld, Death is an anthropomorphic personification. He speaks in all caps. He’s been around at least as long as humans have, and as humans have imagined him into being (skeleton, black robes, scythe) he has taken to wondering what we humans really are. He bears us no ill-will — he just has a job to do.

The Hogfather, rather like Santa in that he was once a midwinter solar god whose job description gradually changed into a bringer of gifts for children, drives a sleigh powered by 4 boars: Tusker, Snouter, Gouger, and Rooter. Children leave him pork pies, sherry, and turnips for the pigs. He disappears — he’s dead — the balance of belief is badly out of whack. Death takes up the job for the long Solstice night, and forbids his granddaughter Susan from interfering, knowing that she will. Part of the job can only be done by humans, and she is, mostly.

At the end of the book, the Hogfather has been saved. Susan, exhausted and furious, verbally savages her granddad — and here we come in, you and me and your Mom who loved you even when you were a heartbroken teenager who yelled at her.

🌜🌜🌜
“All right," said Susan. "I'm not stupid. You're saying humans need... fantasies to make life bearable."



REALLY? AS IF IT WAS SOME KIND OF PINK PILL? NO. HUMANS NEED FANTASY TO BE HUMAN. TO BE THE PLACE WHERE THE FALLING ANGEL MEETS THE RISING APE.



"Tooth fairies? Hogfathers? Little—"



YES. AS PRACTICE. YOU HAVE TO START OUT LEARNING TO BELIEVE THE LITTLE LIES.



"So we can believe the big ones?"



YES. JUSTICE. MERCY. DUTY. THAT SORT OF THING.



“They're not the same at all!"



YOU THINK SO? THEN TAKE THE UNIVERSE AND GRIND IT DOWN TO THE FINEST POWDER AND SIEVE IT THROUGH THE FINEST SIEVE AND THEN SHOW ME ONE ATOM OF JUSTICE, ONE MOLECULE OF MERCY. AND YET—Death waved a hand. AND YET YOU ACT AS IF THERE IS SOME IDEAL ORDER IN THE WORLD, AS IF THERE IS SOME...SOME RIGHTNESS IN THE UNIVERSE BY WHICH IT MAY BE JUDGED.



“Yes, but people have got to believe that, or what's the point—"



MY POINT EXACTLY.

🌛🌛🌛

Justice and Mercy and all the things our hearts are breaking for here at the end of December 2024 — we have to imagine them into being, we have to create them ourselves, we have to believe in them before they can become.

And to all a good night.

Amaryllis

(9,839 posts)
21. just put Hogfather on hold at library. there is a DVD of it as well. PUt it on hold too.
Fri Dec 27, 2024, 06:14 PM
11 hrs ago

Hekate

(95,307 posts)
22. I also watch the movie once a year...
Sat Dec 28, 2024, 04:19 AM
1 hr ago

Be prepared for a long many-stranded story — And I hope you enjoy it as an intro to Pratchett’s Discworld.

no_hypocrisy

(49,217 posts)
15. I dunno.
Fri Dec 27, 2024, 06:18 AM
23 hrs ago

It seems that in my experience that if you look hard enough, you'll find a "reason" to explain circumstances.

In my father's case, he used to say that his (original) family always seemed to have "bad luck". Well, doing some deep genealogical research (including articles on www.newspapers.com), I've found that the "bad luck" could be chalked up to really bad choices and bad judgment.

In some cases, your choices will lead to a certain outcome that could explain "everything happens for a reason". In other cases, pure serendipity.

Martin Eden

(13,569 posts)
16. There is always a chain of events which amount to a "cause" of WHY something happened, but...
Fri Dec 27, 2024, 08:29 AM
21 hrs ago

... not a good REASON in some grand scheme for the better.

In this context, "reason" and "serendipity" are merely our way to make sense of things and find reassurance in a reactive universe over which we have very little control.

What we can control are the decisions we make in charting our course through this perilous world of ours.

When we repeatedly get knocked down, despair can overtake us. Some people find strength in religious faith, and God bless'em if that helps them find peace and reassurance.

But that can require believing that everything happens for a reason. Personally, I reject that as a matter of logic, and want no part of such a cruel God.

We have to find strength not only within ourselves, but also within a community of like-minded people. What little control we do have is greatly enhanced by working together for a better future. Acts of kindness can cause ripples in the fabric of our universe, just as hatred and violence can.

Every day we make decisions, small or large. Free will, to a large extent, determines fate. We have to embrace what is necessary for our own mental and physical health, and work together with others to carry that forward on a larger scale.

ThreeNoSeep

(184 posts)
17. God's will, everything happens for a reason, karma is a bitch, etc.
Fri Dec 27, 2024, 08:43 AM
21 hrs ago

Those phrases are there for more than just making us feel better when the universe hurts us, hurts our loved ones, or when it hurts someone we think deserves it. We have the words to remind us that there is a cause-and-effect chain connecting the photons splashing these letters on your retina stretching back to the Big Bang for everything that happens - from the burning of the Library at Alexandria, to the town drunk winning a $1000 scratch-and-sniff lottery ticket on New Year's Eve, to the tragedy of a car accident. Just as you realized as a young adult, those phrases did not bring comfort as they might to a child, but as we mature, some learn the words also contained a truth about the nature of this experience we are all sharing.
After becoming a recovering Catholic, I still find comfort in the words of Julian of Norwich, a 14th-century English mystic, theologian, and anchoress. She said, “All shall be well, and all shall be well, and all manner of thing shall be well.” This does not mean we finally enjoy the end of injustice or sigh in relief because reality will no longer hurt us. Only the dead see that, maybe. Rather, the meaning is that, despite the pain of this singular experience, there is also balance and grace interwoven in this chaotic field of cause and effect.

I wanted to add a Thank You to Hekate for the Pratchett reference (I so miss that gentle knight!)

orleans

(35,275 posts)
19. cause and effect - yes, i get that.
Fri Dec 27, 2024, 12:43 PM
17 hrs ago

when my mom would say "everything happens for a reason" there was a hint at some universal, cosmic play at work. and there was always an implication that whatever she was commenting on was, perhaps, a good thing in the long run.

(as an example: a broken heart might lead me to finding someone else who was better for me or give me a bit of caution before plunging full steam into another relationship, or to learn to be stronger, or more independent--a good thing in the long run)

btw-- she NEVER said that in reference to my friend that was killed. my mom adored her; there was never a rhyme or reason to explain her murder or ever ever attempt to justify it (something like that can never be justified)--there were no words of comfort or solace for my mother or myself on that front.

yellow dahlia

(183 posts)
20. Thank you for starting this discussion.
Fri Dec 27, 2024, 02:49 PM
15 hrs ago

And thank you for sharing your story.

A lot of valuable words and thoughts can be found on DU...especially lately.

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