China's out

[senseandsensibility]

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Xi just stated that he's not going to engage in any more tit for tat tariffs. He also said that American goods are no longer "viable" for his country.

So trump has single handedly lost a huge market for American farmers. Gone.

This of course flies in the face of trump's happy talk of making a "deal" with China. They're sick of this crap and not going to take it anymore.

To those asking for a link it was at the beginning of Katy Tur's show on MSNBC. Apparently, the substitute for Tur was referring to a Wall Street Journal article with the headline "The U.S. and China are Going to Economic War-- and Everyone will Suffer". She then added that Chinese officials added in statement that after this they are done going tit for tat, and then quoted an NBC News article in which the Chinese ministry said "Given that, at the current tariff level, U.S. exports to China are no longer commercially viable," and "China will not respond to any further tariff hikes..."

[creon]

1. smart

Xi is very smart to do that

[PatSeg]

49. Yes, he definitely is

Clearly Trump is way out of his league.

[Dave Bowman]

68. He would be out of his league at a kindergarten.

[PatSeg]

86. Ha, ha, ha. Yeah, that's true.

That makes it even more scary that such person could have attained so much power. Says more about his followers than it does about him I suppose.

[nature-lover]

98. Kindergarten was probably where this obnoxious behavior started.

[Lonestarblue]

69. And if Trump annoys Xi enough, Xi can cash in China's holdings of US debt.

China is the largest foreign debt holder. I doubt he would cash their bonds because it would also have global economic impacts, but Trump is such an ignoramus that he is just completely economically clueless. It’s all about his ego and sole power to raise markets one day and crash them the next. Most foreign investors will just wash their hands of US investments.

[PatSeg]

92. Yes, both Xi and Putin know that

Trump knows nothing about economics and doesn't have the good sense to consult people who are experts. Just imagine how all powerful he must feel right now, far more so than in his first term. He does or says anything and the whole world reacts. He is like some maniacal villain in a children's cartoon.

I think he must be having the best time of his entire life, plus he can golf whenever he wants on the taxpayer's dime. No one dare oppose him or he'll wave his magic wand and destroy them. It is probably more power than he could have ever dreamed of.

[CanonRay]

110. He's like that kid in the Twilight Zone episode.

[RazorbackExpat]

122. "It's a Good Life", with a very young Billy Mumy

[Gordcanuck]

135. It's the steady drip

on cashing in, more like what Carney gave notice of. In fact it isn’t even reported that poking the dragon was necessary. Look for the sign of China calling for (and then activating) a debt currency change.
Stand back for “interesting times”.

[IzzaNuDay]

83. 7-dimension chess vs golf game

Good on China. No time for foolishness!

[Irish_Dem]

2. It is also a big win for China, Europe is now making nice with them.

They are cutting deals now.

When just a few months ago Europe was going to wage a huge war on China's dumping
of merchandise in Europe.

Trump is a gd idiot.

Xi is playing the long game.

[H2O Man]

25. That is the

most important point, in my opinion.

[brush]

42. Yep, trump screwed American farmers for sure with his bullying stupidity.

He seems to think he can just throw his weight around like he's the king of the world and everyone must obey or be punished with outrageous tariffs.

Xi just told him to fuck off as China will get agricultural imports from other nations. And that also means all the goods we import from China...that stream has dried up. No more electronics, household goods, auto parts. Forget it.

trump has really blown it now. Wonder how his spokespersons will try to spin this bad news in press conferences?

[BonnieJW]

64. Now farmers

Will be forced to sell their family farms to big agri, where animals will live and die in horrifying conditions.

[nature-lover]

97. But not before he spends a fortune trying to bail them out.

[BidenRocks]

111. Fill in the blank!

American farmers overwhelmingly supported ___________ in the last election.
Nice farm ya had there. Shame something happened and ya lost it.
It's Biden's fault you know!

[slightlv]

65. Yeah, it's trump's overblown opinion of himself

that's gonna get us all killed. He can't come down to earth and see and hear what is truly reality. He has to live in this make believe world where he's the most genius of all geniuses. The only way to deal with him is to not deal with him on any level. Xi recognizes this, and so do most, if not all, of the other countries. China could come close to burying us, economically, if they really want to do that. And I wouldn't blame them at all. In fact, it could be construed as "saving face" an idea that's most important to them. Other than certain South Africans, I don't think there's a single person in the world with common sense who've not been insulted and demeaned by trump... and no one worse than we Americans, ourselves.

[Dave Bowman]

70. "he's the king of the world"

More like Titanic's captain. 🤔

[brush]

74. Yes. The reckoning is coming.

[reACTIONary]

76. And, unfortunately, for the time being, we....

.... are the passengers.

[WestMichRad]

73. Not just farmers getting screwed

There will be shortages of consumer goods across the board, since China produces SO MUCH stuff that we need and use on a daily basis. Everybody is gonna suffer from this.

[brush]

79. Yeah, prices are gonna soar. A guest on Nicole Wallace's show today...

just talked agout a third of the shoes worn in this country come from China. Kids shoes that were $26 bucks will now cost $41.00.

Xi may have decided to disengage from the tit-for-tat tariff war, but trump's tariffs on Chinese goods still exists.

Everybody's gonna get his with price increases. And it's going to happen very quickly.

[IbogaProject]

117. China is often sole source for many chemicals

Vitamin C, some generic over the counter active ingredients, maybe some food additives are cornered by China. This is going to really cause problems. The last two big tariff wars were 1930 and 1828 both lead to wide spread negative economic impacts to put it mildly. Last two both the "conservatives", GOP 1930 w some Dems, and 1828 The Tariff of Abominations was passed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tariff_of_Abominations

The Tariff_of_Abominations was literally a political contrivance that was supposed to be so awful as not pass and be campaign fodder. It passed and took years to repeal and lead to Andrew Jackson slithering in.

[GusBob]

27. Yep and

They are stepping into the void created by the USAID vacancy

[Irish_Dem]

34. Exactly.

China is doing really well off of the crisis.
And they are positioning the Yuan to be the global currency as the dollar craters.

[krkaufman]

91. So maybe this is what Xi and Putin planned all along

… and Trump dutifully did as he was told. (Makes as much sense as anything else.)

[Irish_Dem]

94. Yes seems fairly obvious doesn't it?

All of it directly benefits Xi and Putin.

[senseandsensibility]

99. Very good synopsis

about how dangerous all of this is. And the administration doesn't seem to have a clue.

[Irish_Dem]

101. Yes dramatically changing the global economy.

The US will not be on top.

[Midnight Writer]

132. China is also filling the gap left by the desertion of USAID in poorer nations.

They are willing to spend money on humanitarian aid to secure the friendship and loyalty of struggling countries.

Who would you be allies with? The country that says screw you, the welfare of your people is not worth us spending a pittance to help you? Or the country that helps with food, medicine, doctors, engineers, construction?

[Irish_Dem]

133. Exactly. The plan all along.

[Swede]

3. Trump has made enemies of friends, and aggravated enemies.

This Island America thing is gonna be a mess.

[magicarpet]

37. AmeriKKKa First,...

.... because everyone knows we are really last,.... except in the minds of MAGA.

[Justice matters.]

45. They are so stupidly arrogant, they think they own the world!!

All the while the truth is they are a bunch of idiots being led by billionnaire con artists!

For them, a billionaire making $2.5 Billion more in one day off of small investors losing their retirement money is perfectly ok!!

[GreenWave]

88. When their wal-marts run out of made in China, it will hit them. then comes the blame Biden game.

[RainCaster]

4. Now that's winning!

No longer will we have to worry about sending anything to China. All those ships in our ports won't be plugging up marine traffic any longer.

[JohnSJ]

5. I assume this means China will be buying their airplanes from Airbus, and

Boeing will lose a significant business.

[thought crime]

9. China and other trading partners could easily destroy Boeing

Meanwhile, Trump is destroying Apple, etc.

[sop]

6. I fear the rest of the world will eventually have to do the same.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

7. Does that mean that China is no longer buying anything from us?

[Irish_Dem]

14. Yes this is what it sounds like Xi is saying.

Telling Trump to take US products and shove them where the sun don't shine.

[LetsGetSmartAboutIt]

35. Seattle ?

[Irish_Dem]

47. Somewhere even darker than that. :(

[Katcat]

93. And

Definitely nastier

[Irish_Dem]

95. Seattle has so many nice coffee shops.

[LisaM]

126. Not really.

Seattle used to have a lot of nice coffee shops (and carts) but those days seem long gone.

[Irish_Dem]

127. Wow that is too bad.

I visited Seattle some time ago and there was a coffee shop on every corner it seemed like.
This is before the proliferation of coffee shops across the country.
So it was amazing.

[LisaM]

128. Yeah, Starbucks gobbled up some of them.

I haven't seen a coffee cart in ages. And foot traffic downtown is way down.

There are some, but the energy seems gone.

[Irish_Dem]

131. It was an odd energy I thought.

The city was always dark and rainy.
And people running around like crazy with coffee cups in their hands.
But overall yes, a good vibe.

[LisaM]

136. It was the intersection of the last of the logging and fishing days

Intersecting with the upcoming tech dystopia. Boeing was part of the mix too. Their merger with McDonnell-Douglas spelled doom for the unions. Once the headquarters shifted to Chicago, you could feel the vibrancy drain from the city. Amazon is a poor replacement.

[Irish_Dem]

137. Yes

I think I was there when it was the beginning of the tech boom. And Amazon was still selling just books.

[LisaM]

142. There isn't a new bookstore in the whole downtown core.

Elliott Bay moved to Capitol Hill. All the other stores closed one at a time, the indies, then the chains, and finally Barnes and Noble, when they re-did Pacific Place.

There are a few used bookstores still, but you have to seek them out.

[Irish_Dem]

143. I think it is the same everywhere.

Bookstores either gone or are selling office supplies and novelties.
A few books here and there.

[kelly1mm]

109. Definitely Tacoma then ...... nt

[senseandsensibility]

100. OMG

Appreciate the much needed comic relief.

[moniss]

19. Basically the import tariff on American goods of any kind is now so

high that the answer is yes although in a roundabout way product does make it to China. For example in the case of commodities like soybeans the Chinese will continue to import what they need but it will be by way of companies from Brazil etc. But those companies will buy supply from the US at a reduced price because of a depressed market.

So it is not US soybeans going to China it is Brazilian for example because of the purchase. There are also "paper swaps" that take place so that the goods don't actually land in Brazil and then get reloaded on a boat to China. Paper changes hands and things get rerouted in transit. The penalty to US farmers for example is that they end up with a payment to them that is lower than what they would have gotten before all of this. The taxpayers may be forced to accept the burden of greatly increased farm support payments as well.

[BamaRefugee]

8. Americans are going to be forced by the Trumpernment to eat tons of tofu now.

Cuz all them soybeans ate gonna eat themselves.
Brazil must be Xstatic about this.

I love miso soup, but I imagine the the necessary dashi, miso, and wakame dried seaweed are gonna skyrocket with tariffs on Japan.

But 'Muricans will learn to love tofu sloppy Joes, tofu chili, compressed tofu T-Bones, the sky's the limit as healthy tofu gets Americanized into our beloved processed foods that are free from all that nasty nutrition

[wolfie001]

40. Oh my!

I really can't taste the diff. when having a Morningstar cheeseburger after I dress it up. I guess a bit healthier too? Cook it on my Foreman Grill. RIP George!

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

57. No thank you.

Will all due respect to the Tofu Eaters out there, it's not something I willingly consume.

[Norbert]

10. And China can do much more damage than the idiot realizes.

Like making an offer on Canadian oil that would normally go to the United States. So much winning.

[erronis]

46. I think the problem there is that Canada relies on the US via pipelines to do the refining of the oil

and then it becomes a US product for export (I think).

You probably don't want to ship crude oil across the Pacific to be refined elsewhere.

But then, I know nothing other than randomly collected notes in the cluttered attic of my mind.

[InstantGratification]

48. Read this article about the quiet power move Canada's PM made that pushed Trump to "pause".

Quick primer: The Stock and Bond markets most always operate inversely. When the stock market goes up the bond market goes down and vice versa. When stocks are booming investors move money out of safe, but low yield bonds and into higher yielding stocks, sending bonds lower. When stocks go wobbly, investors move money into the safer bonds and the bond market goes up. That wasn't happening earlier in the week stocks and bonds were both going down because US bonds weren't being viewed as a reliable safe haven anymore. That scared the shit out of Trump. Canada (with Japan and EU standing shoulder to shoulder) showed the world how to quietly stand up to the bully.

https://deanblundell.substack.com/p/carneys-checkmate-how-canadas-quiet]

That’s the message Carney delivered in his call with Trump last week. No leaks on the exact words, but the outcome speaks volumes. Trump didn’t just pause the tariffs; he backpedaled hard. China’s still in the crosshairs—125% duties are no joke—but Canada? The EU? Japan? They’re off the hit list. For now, at least. Why? Because Carney’s play wasn’t noise. It was power.

Let’s be real: Trump’s spent years calling Canada a freeloader—remember his 2019 NATO jabs?—while ignoring the inconvenient truth. Canada’s $350 billion in U.S. debt isn’t charity. It’s a lifeline. Japan’s trillion-plus? Same deal. The EU’s pile? Ditto. These countries aren’t just buying bonds to be nice; they’re bankrolling the U.S. government. And when they threaten to pull the plug, even slowly, Washington listens.

This was the determining factor in Trump’s surrender. Not the public spats, not the retaliatory tariffs Canada slapped on U.S. autos (though those stung). It was the quiet, coordinated threat of a Treasury bond unwind that bent Trump’s knee. Carney didn’t need to shout. He didn’t need to posture. He lined up the free world—Japan, the EU, Canada in lockstep—and showed Trump the cliff’s edge. Strategic brilliance doesn’t get louder than that.

China could probably make the same move. Between China proper and Hong Kong, the Chinese hold around 1.1 trillion in US bonds. Trump will bluster on like he always does and his mouth pieces will spin the propaganda web, but all that debt in the form of US bonds is a choker collar if he gets to far out of line. (too bad it isn't a muzzle)

[malaise]

55. The Canadian PM

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has a PhD in Economics. He was the governor of their Central Bank. He knows his shit.

[Amaryllis]

67. He also was governor of Bank Of ENgland for 8 years. Lots of international businedd connections.

[InstantGratification]

112. Supposedly Navarro has a PhD in Economics from Harvard.

Money can buy a degree but it can't buy a visit from the clue fairy. True story, in Trump's first term I once heard Peter Navarro referred to as the "Gilligan of economists". My first thought was: what an incredibly unfair thing to say..... to Bob Denver. Gilligan was a fuck up, but he was a lovable fuck up. Peter Navarro is a fuck up AND an asshole.

[MrsCheaplaugh]

116. Thanks so much for bringing up this story

Makes me proud to be a Canadian.

[C_U_L8R]

11. Trump will have to kiss Xi's ass and eat a lot of crow

...If he has any hope of fixing things. But it seems he's more interested in blowing everything up in the name of his fragile ego.

[Baitball Blogger]

12. It sadden me for the sake of the agriculture and businesses that worked with them,

but when you look at this objectively, Trump is an entitled buffoon and the only way to teach him a lesson is to not allow him to jerk you around. Walking away is the best option.

[Mysterian]

32. Almost 80% of people in agricultural counties voted for Trump

Fuck 'em sideways with a rusty spoon.

https://investigatemidwest.org/2024/11/13/trump-election-farming-counties-trade-war/

[mobeau69]

58. But we'll bail them out.

[progressoid]

61. Yep

I grew up with these people and most of them will defend anything he does even as he kills small farms and rural towns.

[elocs]

106. Yes, here in WI the northern rural counties are red as is most of the state, but the votes are close.n/t

[Akakoji]

120. It would be much more useful

To rub it in. their faces. Let them see what THEY did to themsleves.It may be the only way they learn that voting for a Republican always leads to these outcomes. Always.

[lapfog_1]

13. ukraine should make a deal with China to replace the USA farm products

[BurnDoubt]

90. THIS!!!!!

This might be the hammer Zelenskyy needs. Make Putin explain bombing China's staples supply chain. Also lots of other much less agreeable outcomes. The tectonic plates are on the move, and collateral damage won't be minor. In fact it may turn out to be Earth-Shakingly dynamic.

[DET]

15. Per CNN...

Trump will be ‘gracious’ if Xi comes crawling back to him (my words, not his). Not gonna happen - nor should it. He’s such a moron.

[senseandsensibility]

22. Is this a paraphrase of something trump said

or someone on CNN's opinion?

[DET]

33. Headline on CNN

The Trump will be ‘gracious’ part (‘gracious’ was in quotes,so I assume that he or his spokesBarbie said it).

[Buns_of_Fire]

38. Trump? Gracious? Not in this lifetime. nt

[LiberalArkie]

60. "Face" is very important to just about all the Asian people.

[CaptainTruth]

84. True. Most Americans don't understand just how important.

Trump certainly doesn't understand.

[orangecrush]

63. ...

[Iamscrewed]

16. Intentional stupidity

Maybe we should treat this dumb ___ like Kadafie , my spelling may not be appropriate.

[CrispyQ]

17. Do you have a link? I can't find anything. -nt

[senseandsensibility]

23. It was on what I believe is Katy Tur's hour on MSNBC

but a fill in for her (much preferable in my opinion) started the hour with those words. I rewound it to make sure I was hearing her correctly.

[ProfessorGAC]

29. Not The OP, But...

...this article has quotes by Xi about increasing tariffs in retaliation. He's quoted, but his statements here don't match the OP.
And this article is only 10½ hours old.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/apr/11/macron-speaks-of-90-days-of-uncertainty-as-trump-tariffs-spark-further-losses

[StarryNite]

20. The felon thinks he can jerk people and countries around with no consequences.

That may work for him here but it's not working in other countries. They are sick of his shit.

[Native]

21. I can't find anything online about Xi's most recent comments

can you please post a link?

[Amaryllis]

26. Link? i dont trust without a source.

[surfered]

28. Here's a link to Barton's 1 hr ago

https://www.barrons.com/articles/trump-tariffs-china-us-news-a18dd47b

[surfered]

30. I could see it, but the link cuts it off on posting. Here's the jist.

China responded to the White House’s latest tariffs move against the world’s second-largest country, lifting its rates on U.S. goods and vowing to “resolutely counterattack and fight to the end.”

China’s finance ministry suggested the country wouldn’t keep escalating tariffs as the current 125% levy means “no market acceptance for U.S. goods exported to China.” The ministry added: “Even if the U.S. continues to impose higher tariffs, it will no longer make economic sense and will become a joke in the history of world economy…If the U.S. continues to play the tariff numbers game, China will ignore it. However, if the U.S. insists on continuing to substantially infringe on China’s interests, China will resolutely counterattack and fight to the end.”

[walkingman]

31. How can they justify a "beautiful tax cut" and also a huge subsidy for American farmers...

and not balloon the deficit? Something doesn't add up.

[Native]

36. they can't, and they don't care to try.

[Jim__]

39. What's the best way to deal with an idiot? It could well be to eliminate any dependencies that you have on him ...

and then, just ignore him. He's our idiot, we will have to deal with him.

[Martin68]

41. All of Dump's bluff's and bluster are just a lot of hot air in the end. Unfortunately, the consequences for our

own country may be dire.

[wolfie001]

43. tRUMP will backtrack

I don't wanna root for China here, but tRUMP is such a hateful jackass, the only way for this to turn out well is if he loses and then it starts the end of his Proud Boy Nazi Administration.

[Ping Tung]

44. Xi doesn't sound very 同心协力 about Trump's efforts.

同心协力

It translates to Gung Ho which translates to "work together" in English. It' was also a motto of Mao's 8th Route Army when he was fighting the Chinese Nationalists and Japanese. It later was adopted as a motto by the USMC.

They never told us that in boot camp when China was considered our enemies (among many other enemies).

I find the irony of the flexibility of ally/enemy among nations downright silly.

Of course we now have to fend off the threat of enemy Denmark.

[Balatro]

50. I had a strange theory that these tariffs could lead to an expansive underground, black market economy.

I am new here

Just a thought. I just feel like the US is getting a bit more lawless in general and this may be a coming aspect of that. All thanks to the tariffs. Of course Yambo will give the farmers government checks to help stem the anger. Hopefully farmers get really upset and dems have a chance to grab some rural votes from all this.

[malaise]

78. Welcome to DU

:hi;

[Xolodno]

96. It will.

When you go to a swap meet or flea market, you'll find things made in China, more expensive than before the tariffs, but cost enough to be affordable. Expect a lot of RV's on the south and northern borders. Not to mention a lot of boat owners taking short trips to Canada and Mexico.

There is a point where you tariff so much, you inadvertently create an underground market.

[CountAllVotes]

102. Welcome to the DU Balatro!

& welcome!!!

[LetMyPeopleVote]

144. Welcome to DU

[LetMyPeopleVote]

145. Welcome to DU

[Bluetus]

51. IOW, China has lots of sources for soybeans. The US has no other sources for most of the chips we need.

The art of the deal -- genius at work.

[enid602]

52. Satire

I wouldn’t be surprised if China started to impose a 25% tariff on all countries who trade with the US, just as we currently do with those who trade with Venezuela. Who knows, maybe we’ll end up having to illegally immigrate to Venezuela before this is all over. At least Maduro is not so sick as to send us to Cecot in El Salvador without due process.

[Scrivener7]

53. Saw that coming. It's really the only thing they could do.

https://democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=20228849

[senseandsensibility]

89. Game is right

When are the R's going to get tired of his game I wonder? The rest of us already have.

[malaise]

54. China has sued the US at the

WTO

Treaties have meaning

[patphil]

56. Causing an Asian leader to lose face by capitulating in Trump's tariff war isn't going to happen.

Especially when that leader is the dictator of a worldwide economic powerhouse.
So they basically gave the US a big old FU.

[mobeau69]

62. Trump fucked with the wrong marine. LOL

[vanessa_ca]

59. Wow. CHINA MFA Spokesperson: "Give the bully an inch, he will take a mile."

CHINA MFA Spokesperson 中国外交部发言人
@MFA_China
Any dialogue must be based on equality, respect and mutual benefit.

If the U.S. truly wants to have talks, it should stop its capricious and destructive behavior.

For the welfare of the Chinese and the people of the world, for the fairness and justice of the global order, China will never bow to maximum pressure of the United States.

Give the bully an inch, he will take a mile.
6:53 AM · Apr 11, 2025

Link to tweet

[Girard442]

66. Bottom line: we won't even pick up the phone until crazy guy is geschwinkto.

[reACTIONary]

71. They're sick of this crap, and ....

.... so am l.

[spanone]

72. Frightening times for sure.

With a madman at the wheel.

[Demovictory9]

75. Omg

[FloridaBlues]

77. All this and our federal workers getting layed off. In every dept.

Doubt we will be in the place financially to bail out anyone even farmers
Our revenue is about to decrease soon under this idiot.

[Sailingdiver]

80. And they control the lions share of medium and heavy rare earths

Our next generation air defense system requires materials China produces, including medium and heavy rare earths such as samarium, gadolinium, terbium, dysprosium, lutetium, scandium and yttrium.

Xi will throttle those back.

Then we'll really be screwed.

But, I'm sure the orange moron is on top of this too.

[wiggs]

81. With US tariffs threatening the rest of the world, China probably sees a way to get into

other markets...selling and buying.

Suddenly, China is the good guy in the world's eyes? GOP? Anyone?

[usonian]

82. Trump's bluffing and has 40 or 50 "tells"

China owns his economic ass and holds a frickin royal flush with its hackers and bonds.

They know they're his real target ( wrong color skin) and can finish him off.

Likely:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=20215296

They will stew his ass and Putin will enshrine his giblets in Red Square.

[mountain grammy]

85. Oh who cares?

more than 200 brown men were sent to an El Salvador prison.. and that's what trump voters voted for. promises made, promises kept. only about 30% of Americans, another 30% are silent, so 60%.. yippee!!!! We're Nazi Gemany. and the big money and media are with the facist 30%

I'm having another drink and fixing Paella for dinner.. oh wait, is that 'murican?

[flvegan]

87. So, are eggs cheaper now...or, no? Seems eggs should be cheaper by now.

[senseandsensibility]

104. Nope

Seven dollars a dozen. Saw a headline that said that yesterday. So much winning, right?

[pbmus]

103. 780,000,000,000

When they want to destroy us, they will start selling….

[vapor2]

105. republicans own this

[Hassler]

107. Hey MAGA farmers, sucks to be you

You got what you voted for.

[DENVERPOPS]

114. He did that to the Soybean farmers in his first term

And they all voted for him again............

now that is STUPID..........

[Javaman]

108. Trump just cratered a huge part of the farming industry

I bet those asshole farmers are delighted they voted for the fucking orange psychopath.

The leopards will dine tonight

[republianmushroom]

113. Guess, the art of the deal, didn't go over to well.

[Akakoji]

115. Must have more refrrence

Please

[AdamGG]

118. The Chinese people can tolerate way more economic pain than Americans

It's an authoritarian government. They shut whole towns down during COVID. The people have been through a lot historically.

Dump picked the wrong opponent to see who will say uncle first. Art of the deal my ass. Xi should make him do something really humiliating to even agree to talk with him.

[Aussie105]

119. Standing up to a bully is the only way to avoid further demands.

Besides, Trump's ham fisted bullying is very offensive to some cultures.
It's the lack of finesse involved, and the mistaken posturing from Trump who thinks he is the smartest Top Dog in the world.

No need to ask who will come off worse if Trump keeps escalating this.

[pat_k]

121. Cutting off economic and trade ties with U.S. is VERY bad news for Taiwan and their allies.

... of which we were once the most staunch.

China warns trade war could go beyond tariffs as U.S. Admiral warns China's aggressive maneuvers around Taiwan are not exercises, they are rehearsals
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220231029

[BoRaGard]

123. G.O.P. Felon-in-Chief has totally screwed America

And G.O.P. fine with all the suffering -- for now they can IMPOSE their godforsaken pervo G.O.P. Cxristo-fascism, Inc.

[Orrex]

124. Fuckhead47's KKKultists are 100% certain to praise this as a victory

If every Trump voter vanished in a puff of smoke, the world would be no poorer, and I wouldn't miss even a single one of them.

[Orrex]

125. They should seize Ivanka's China-based holdings.

Watch Fuckhead47 launch a nuclear strike in minutes.

[Orrex]

130. At some point a Democrat will offer a conciliatory gesture to China

And the Reichwing propaganda machine will attack them as “weak” or “in China’s pocket” for it.

[Littlered]

129. There are plenty

Of other markets out there for our agricultural products.

This could have an impact here as we (Ohio) exported 3/4 of a billion dollars worth of soy beans to china last year. Our largest importer by far.

Overall, I feel we are in the drivers seat. As climate change wreaks havoc across the globe. Those that have the crops, will have a market.

Fwiw. https://www.usda.gov/about-usda/news/press-releases/2025/04/02/usda-announces-agricultural-trade-promotion-programs-fy-2026

[wolfie001]

140. So you're cool with tRUMP and his insane policies?

Please clarify.

[Littlered]

141. My post had nothing

To do with agreeing or disagreeing. I was responding to what I interpreted as a “the sky is falling” post.

As far as the tariff tiff. Some people are claiming that China just walked into a trap, while others are claiming he (Trump) is quite insane. All I know for certain is; I/we are going to have to deal with the ramifications. I prefer to make fact based decisions.

I don’t see Brazil having the ability to fill the void. As it stands now. China only buys 50% of our export. Which amounts to around 11% of all exports to China (which are overwhelmingly agricultural). I like our position on the soybean front. India alone could make up that difference.

I don’t waste a lot of my brain power judging the right and wrong of decisions that I have no control over. I try to reserve it for dealing with the fallout from said decisions.

[Jit423]

134. Monday's opening is going to be brutal! May as well go to the casino. nt

[Historic NY]

138. Xi is essentially embargoing American goods.

no imput and the output is going to be expensive to American business importing.

[Turbineguy]

139. It's time for Rubio and Co. to 25th this clown.

You can't have a madman in this position.