What's happening in Norman is an outrage.

[cab67]

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First, some disclosure - I have connections to the University of Oklahoma. My maternal grandparents were both OU alums, and I still have relatives living in the OKC and Norman areas. My mother, in spite of having gone to the University of Kansas, was a lifelong Sooner fan. It caused a conflict when I went to the University of Texas for graduate school.

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Some of you have no doubt followed this story. An OU student was asked to critique an article in her psychology class that discussed the interplay between transgender youth and peer pressure. She and her classmates were given very specific instructions to follow when writing their critique.

She followed none of them. Instead, her response was a straight-up sermon on why her interpretation of the Bible sets fixed genders we're required to follow.

She got a 0 on the paper. And the instructor went way above and beyond by providing a lengthy explanation for why the paper earned no points. The instructor made it clear that the student's opinions, in and of themselves, were irrelevant. The problem was the student's disregard for the instructions she was provided. This instructor also asked another instructor to evaluate the paper, and the second instructor concurred.

Did the student sit down with the instructor to discuss the result? Nope. She screamed from the highest heights about being persecuted. She even wrote to the governor of Oklahoma. State legislators have spoken up, and most of them have come across as seriously uninformed about the issue. Worse, OU appears to be backing down, even putting the instructor on leave.

Here's the thing - the student wasn't dinged because of her opinions. She was dinged because she didn't follow the instructions. Don't believe me? Both the article assigned to the class and the student's paper can be viewed online, as can the instructor's response to the student explaining the score. Any objective reader can see that the student simply didn't follow instructions - none of which, by the way, required a student to agree with anything in the article.

I've been approached by students who've expressed discomfort at some of the subjects I teach, either for political or religious reasons. Here's what I tell them - I can't require any student to actually believe or agree with anything I say. I can only require that they understand it. Hence, if I ask a question about evolution or climate change and the student simply puts down "I don't believe in this stuff, it's an atheistic or communist lie," I'd mark it wrong. But if the student says "I don't believe in this stuff, it's an atheistic or communist lie, but the answer you're looking for is the following...." and then proceeds to provide the correct answer, that's full credit. I hold students accountable for how well they grasp what I'm teaching, not for their personal beliefs about it.

I understand the pressure universities are under - especially in red states. I teach at a public university in a red state. Still, I would have hoped that in this case, the president of OU, Joseph Harroz, could have been a voice of clarity and honesty. He could have defended the professionalism of the instructor, who went way beyond what most instructors would have done to cover her bases and make the reasons for the zero-credit assessment fully clear and transparent. He could have explained that OU is a public university open to students of all faiths, and that free expression of that faith is the right of every student, but that students are still expected to be, you know, students. That means following instructions on assignments if they want to succeed. It doesn't mean holding back on their views - had I been the instructor, I'd have been totally cool if this student had added a paragraph explaining why they firmly believe sexes to be strictly binary and fixed - but it does mean facing views that differ from yours and addressing them not as abominations to be dismissed without reason, but as concepts that should be handled with deliberation and thought.

And it goes without saying that OU should reinstate this instructor and provide a huge apology to her.

Those who are claiming a student who didn't follow instructions is being persecuted only for her beliefs are doing her no favors whatsoever.

[dem4decades]

1. The race for stupidity is led by MAGA. If the MAGA Nazis take full control anyone with an education is at risk.

[cab67]

2. To be fair...

...it's not clear that this student was simply being stupid.

Some have suggested that this was a deliberate set-up, whether targeted at the instructor (who is herself transgender) or at a public university in general. The student, in this scenario, knew more or less what would happen and planned to make a lot of noise over it.

This would make her, or those who put her up to it, at least somewhat shrewd. Stupidly shrewd, I'd agree, because the term paper she submitted flagrantly deserved the failing grade it got, and it's available to anyone who wants to read it, but at least calculating.

I have no idea if this was what happened. I generally make a policy of not trying to presume the motivations of someone I don't know. But there are all kinds of reasons that might explain this kerfuffle.

The only truly objective points are these - the paper deserved the score it was given, and OU should make things right with the instructor.

A deeper concern is that this instructor is now getting all kinds of online abuse. If it was someone like me - I've been in my profession for 35 years, and I'm comfortable where I am - this would be concerning, but it probably wouldn't ruin my career. But this instructor is at the dawn of her career, and things like this can cause a lot of damage. This instructor needs a lot of support right now, and that her administration isn't providing it is itself a scandal.

Please note - I am NOT saying that disciplinary action should be taken against the student who submitted the essay. I cannot pretend to understand her motivations. If I was her advisor, I'd find a way to get her withdrawn from the course and explain, as strenuously as possible, that one can hold deep religious views while simultaneously discussing views with which one disagrees, and that grades are assigned based on the quality of the work and its conformation to expectations - not the views expressed therein. No one is saying you can't hold religious views about gender identity and, at the same time, intelligently discuss work that contradicts them.

[dem4decades]

4. I wasn't calling her stupid, though she may be, I'm calling a movement that politicizes science stupid.

[cab67]

5. righto

[slightlv]

37. I'd send her to the school psychologist or

"guidance counselors" as they used to be called when I was in school. This young woman needs to have an intervention before she ends up like some of her J6 maga sisters... or those surrounded by quiverfulls.

[popsdenver]

8. And just like a lot of religions, AND corporations,

The Republicans have mastered utilizing some serious PSY-OPS to implant shit in their cult followers brains.......

Across the land, the psychiatrists have stated that watching Fox News EXCLUSIVELY is the same as techniques used for brain washing........

[blue_jay]

28. I've always thought the monotone drone of the orange oaf is also a form of hypnotizing...

bore susceptible people into a quieter brain space more receptive to whatever false or vile information is being said.

Not saying hypnosis is bad, just saying the monotone droning may be purposeful.

[popsdenver]

30. Be sure to include

all the constant "Dog Whistle" comments by ALL Republican Politicians.......sometimes repeated endlessly in their rallies......

[BOSSHOG]

3. Was the student in question

Burned at the stake? Jailed and tortured? Chained naked in a hay field and deprived of food? BANISHED FROM THE SHORES OF AMERICA FOREVER?

I’m very curious about what her PERSECUTION was. And whether she would give up the opportunity to bitch moan and complain about whatever because she is an American citizen and HAS THE RIGHT TO.

Whiny, bitchy conservatives are incredibly high maintenance for being rugged ndividualists.

[slightlv]

38. This x1000!!!

Gods, I so agree with you! It's not a very PC opinion or desire, but I hope these maga xtians find out, once we and the rest of the world have moved on with them, what persecution is really like. Let THEM be turned down when ordering a wedding cake. Let them experience the screams and outrages and demonstrations in front of their gatherings. Let their churches be blocked by protestors declaiming them and their beliefs. And THEN talk to someone about persecution. The only problem with all that... and I do believe at least some of it will be coming in the future... is that I'm concerned all Christians will be branded by maga... and their faith, like Islam, both which at its core teaches peace, love, and unity will be tossed into the heap of failed ideals.

[IronLionZion]

6. Very badly written essay, full of circular logic, no evidence cited

that idiot didn't even cite specific books or verses of the Bible since she claimed that was her source.

TPUSA's X account has the full essay and the instructor's comments if any DUers want to see for yourselves. This is the idiocracy we're dealing with. MAGA encourages people to fail upwards instead of putting in any effort.

Link to tweet

If a MAGAt did even a simple Google search, they could find 100 Bible verses about gender and just pick some. But they won't.
https://www.openbible.info/topics/gender

[ancianita]

11. And no student in college level essay or research writing is allowed to use the Bible as a reference, only

data drawn from secular sources and known authorities connecting those papers' topics with a general subject area of knowledge.

When I taught research and research paper writing to high school juniors and seniors, that was always made quite clear. When I graded college papers at a local Christian Brothers university, the same standard held.

Only in theological schools and seminaries does the ancient text of the Bible get referenced as
-- a primary religious/literary text for theological study,
-- a historical document for historical context, and sometimes
-- a cultural artifact, requiring specific citation (version, publication) and understanding its diverse nature beyond just faith for academic rigor. It is not just accepted, it's fundamental to biblical studies, but scholars analyze its internal variations and external historical contexts, not just assume its absolute factual accuracy for every claim.

The main thing when one does advanced studies, is respect the knowledge in how the research is presented. The way you use research depends on the discipline; theological studies use sources differently than historical or scientific studies.

[IronLionZion]

35. MAGAts do their own research, on Youtube or blogs or podcasts

[Quanto Magnus]

51. maybe they'll go real deep

and find something on Reddit....

[DFW]

17. That's not an essay. That's a carnival tent sermon. n/t

[blue_jay]

29. Sure looks like a set up to me, just a wee bit too convenient to be otherwise nt

[blue_jay]

31. The brainwashing of women in christian communities is thriving

Do they ever wonder or realize "who" "wrote" the bible and "who" decided what would be in it and why. And don't forget about the role and beliefs of men in these so called christian groups.

[IronLionZion]

33. God wrote it. It's God's will!

[Beartracks]

42. She wasn't failed for "quoting the Bible." Insert eyeroll here. n/t

[IronLionZion]

44. Correct. TPUSA lied in their headline post and posted the evidence of their lies

I read through her essay and didn't see any quoting the Bible or any other source. That is enough for a F.

[Beartracks]

53. I like how the headline says it was an "opinion essay" -- when the assignment was NOT for that!

If I was assigned to do 10 word problems in a math class, and instead turned in an essay on why Trump is the greatest and most smartest savior ever to grace the planet Earth with his luminous presence and that math is for suckers, I, too, could claim I received the inevitable "F" on my "opinion essay" for quoting Project 2025.

[KatyaR]

7. OU has now removed a SECOND instructor

simply because she told them they would get an excused absence from her class if they wanted to attend the protest on Friday.

OU removes another instructor amid protest over student’s failing grade

NORMAN, Okla. (KFOR) – Another OU instructor has been removed amidst the controversy over one student’s failing grade.

The most recent educator to be removed from the classroom allegedly told students that they would be excused for attending Friday’s protest of the removal of the professor at the heart of the controversy.

First reported by OU Nightly, Kelli Alvarez, an OU instructor, has been removed by the University’s administration after telling students that she would excuse any absence for attending today’s protest.

Today’s announcement from Director of First-Year Composition Dr. Roxanne Mountford stated that Alvarez’s attendance policy was inappropriate.

[regnaD kciN]

18. "Forget it, Jake. It's Oklahoma."

[Mustellus]

9. The Standard MAGA One Verse Beat Down is....

... "And male and female created He them."

Its from Genesis Chapter 1, during the creation, day 6, and Adam and Eve haven't "Fallen" yet. By their own theology, things are worse since the Fall.....

Gee.. maybe diseases? crime ? oh no, not even genetic changes and imperfections?

(And for fun, please note that Adam and Eve ducked puberty, having allegedly been created as adults. The gonads we were 'born with' all have this in common: they don't work. That is 'adjusted' at puberty, where things can also be imperfect. )

[regnaD kciN]

20. More to the point...

…to be theological for a moment, the same creation story mentions light and dark, and how God separated one from the other. And, yet, we have dawn and dusk, sunrise and sunset. It isn’t as if we go from completely dark night to completely bright day in an instant. There’s a continuum.

[Beartracks]

43. Hmm, interesting point. "Male and female"...

Nothing there says it's completely one or the other. It's "and" not "or."

Hmm....

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[Paladin]

10. Congrats on your decision to do grad work at UT. (nt)

[SouthBayDem]

12. OU's president was a former intern of David Boren!

Disappointed has to be an understatement how Boren feels about this whole saga.

My introduction to politics was during the 2000s culture wars over intelligent design, violent video games, and raunchy TV shows. I remember, as a teenager at the time, thinking that those scold activists were out of their minds, but I had no idea that the MAGA movement would make the Jack Thompson and Parents Television Council types look relatively enlightened!

It used to be that universities were willing to stand up for unpopular truths, but we as Americans have decided to have a government run by Facebook post.

[cab67]

23. to be as fair as I can be....

...public university presidents walk a tightrope these days - especially in red states. Any hyped-up claim of bias or "woke-ism" is likely to bring calls to cut the institution's funding unless something is done about the alleged offenders. I would imagine that's happening in this case.

[ShazzieB]

25. Thanks for pointing this out

I hate what's happening at OU, bur I know what a tightrope universities (unfounately!) have to walk these days, especially in states where their funding comes through a repub dominated state legislature. It really, really sucks. 🫤

[redstatebluegirl]

67. It is happening at The University of Oklahoma in Norman, not Oklahoma State.

[ShazzieB]

68. Yes, I know.

I meant to type OU! I don't know where tha S came from, but I fixed it.

[DET]

14. Good Lord (so to speak)

Just based on that close-minded and incoherent excerpt, that young woman has no business being in college. Probably using it to find a ‘good Christian man’. The school should be ashamed.

[regnaD kciN]

21. She's pre-med (believe it or not)...

I can only assume she’s headed for a prominent career at Rev. Billy Bob’s Faith Healing Clinic (Bring Your Own Snakes) in Bumfuck, OK.

[IzzaNuDay]

66. I hope no medical school accepts her

she has the potential of bringing rattlesnakes into a natural healing course, saying it was a g-d made gift!

[barbtries]

15. i read her paper.

it was hard to find. but anyhow
in case anyone else wants to: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1qxnVi_yaJ-Fb9u1-A1Vy2vQT3Aiw8Nix/view

does she approach every assignment in college from the standpoint of whether the hypothesis, information, discussion is biblical??

It's so bigoted and so sexist and so fucking PIOUS that one wonders how she even managed to get into college.

been reading the thread as well, and the proposition that she engineered this entire scandal in order to ruin her teacher's life seems plausible to me.

[D_Master81]

16. Saw Kyle Kulinski cover this

Yes this is a terrible situation and clear that it’s another manufactured MAGA outrage. Just like Cracker Barrel and many things before. The essay would just say stuff like “God created 2 genders”, “The Bible says”, “God made men and women different”.
It’s very clear if you’re objective that this was not the assignment and she was just writing about her own beliefs. Plus this was a psychology class not a theology class! You don’t just get to quote God as the source on a psych paper.

[slightlv]

39. Why is she even in a pysch class? Psychology, to these people, is simply a modern day excuse for demons.

[Jilly_in_VA]

45. Required.

It's one of those annoying prereqs,

[slightlv]

52. Boy, things sure changed since I was in school!

I'd have loved to have had the option for a class like this when I was in high school. About the only thing I got in way of "beyond the 3 R's" was a couple of cool political classes... like "American Government" and "American Problems." I did get a chance to take a comparative religion class, which I ate up like candy. But that's about the extent of the extras when I was in school.

[Uncle Joe]

19. Kicked and recommended

Thanks for the thread cab

[Diraven]

22. My wife is computer science professor in a red state

If this kind of thing gets normalized, she's just waiting for one of her students to write a report about how computers are tools of Satan instead of doing their assignment and then demand an A. I have no doubt lawmakers in our state would side with the student.

[soldierant]

24. In defense of

the Bible - my interpretation of it is "God has shown me I must not call anyone common or unclean." ( That is almost a direct quote from the KJV. I took the trouble to look up the Koine, and it used "anthropos," not "andros," so I used "anyone" instead of "any man.&quot

IMHO it is - let us say "not very bright" - to fail to grasp that. In context, it's clearly intended to supersede earlier laws. I could rant on (and on and on) but I'll spare us that.

[slightlv]

40. That means they'd have to go beyond what their parents

or preacher told them and actually do some peripheral work... like understanding what "translation" means and becoming acquainted with a bit of Latin, Greek, Hebrew, and Aramaic. At least understand how the genders translate if you're gonna write a paper on gender and sexuality!

[soldierant]

41. ?Rxactly. But I can dream, can't I?

[Irish_Dem]

26. So any student can answer exam questions and write papers full of Bible BS.

And then expect an A and scream bloody murder when they get no credit for the crap.

I once taught an undergrad class at a Catholic college.
I was shocked when some of the students decorated the paper with small crosses
even though I was teaching a Psych Intro class.

I thought it was inappropriate on the college level.
Even though it was a Catholic college and I was raised Catholic.
It has no place in a university class based on science and fact

[rampartd]

27. i may have been a smart ass in school

but wisdom indicates that we attend school to learn, not to teach the people whp have studied these things in depth.

[Solly Mack]

32. K&R

[3catwoman3]

34. Good luck with a science based career like medicine.

That biblical BS won't fly in med school.

[SWBTATTReg]

36. As one being born in OK, but now a long-term MO resident, this disappoints me terribly about how OK is viewed.

We may have some family left in OK but that's been 60 years ago, so more than likely, they're passed on. I do like the Oklahoma Cowboy Museum in OKC, and some of the people in OKC, but I'm doing a double take on anything Oklahoma now, despite it being the place I was born. It's really disappointing to me that so many have sided on the side of the racist student. Disappointing.

[Jilly_in_VA]

46. Why do I feel like

someone put her up to this? Just my cynical mind, I guess.

[Wednesdays]

58. Yup.

Some friends in high places.

[lostnfound]

62. Maybe she's been selected as President JD Vance's replacement wife Nt

[Sparkly]

47. I agree with you.

And I don't see a place for absolutist certainty based on religious doctrine in an academic environment where the point is to learn to THINK! Nothing shuts down dialogue or inquiry quicker than complete certainty without a shred of (self) doubt.

I guess I made an error like this - among others - when I applied for a PhD program some years ago. I studied up for the math part of the GRE and surprise, did well! Didn't worry about the verbal too much, and scored 795 except on the essay part. There, we could make arguments along one of two narrow paths, or take an alternative point of view. I chose the latter and thought I came up with my own good argument (first by reframing the question at hand through a solid rationale), but now realize that's equivalent to not following directions.

But my bigger mistake was interviewing first with two faculty members in charge of the program who were very encouraging to me and enthusiastic for me to apply. When I questioned whether my background was exactly right for the degree program, they said it depends on who's arguing on your behalf to the department! They'd see me through, not to worry. I waited a few years to actually do it, and by then, those two had moved on. Their replacement had a different point of view, and the response was that my background was all wrong!

I know I could have done it and made contributions to the field, but I never tried again.

(Just a personal story unrelated to this one. Thanks for indulging me.)

[cab67]

48. Did you apply to other programs?

[Sparkly]

50. No.

I don't take rejection well and I give up easily.

On edit: Actually I DID! It was a program in Europe, not quite a doctorate but a special 'diploma' thing and it was absolutely traumatic - but that is a long story involving about 40 years of my life. I had to get old before I realized how manipulative and abusive it was/is.

[cab67]

55. Admissions decisions aren't always up to a potential advisor.

In my own program, much depends on who applies to work with other faculty members. I might have a superstar apply to work for me, but if someone else has an ultra super-super star applying, my superstar might be out of luck.

Things also get tricky if there are junior faculty members around. There might be strong preference for applicants who want to work with them. Having grad students is usually a prerequisite for tenure.

And, there are departments where internal politics gets in the way of reason.

[Puppyjive]

49. Oklahoma is a lost cause

Spent 9 years there in the military. Those that chose to stay have turned out to be full on MAGA. I have one good friend from there remaining and she is liberal. I've unfriended most of my fellow soldiers as they have become complete racist assholes and bitches. Their patriotism is a complete joke to me. Oklahoma is the abyss and and their numbers don't lie. Their ranking makes them one of the worst states to live in

[Takket]

54. maddening. the inmates are running the asylum

Like others have suggested, right wing agitators have done this before (intentionally created arguments in classes to "expose woke ideology" ). I would not be surprised if she wrote an essay she knew was bad on purpose just to get a bad grade, so she could then parlay that into celebrity. And with the Oklahoma legislature "honoring" her, it looks like she has that now.

Pretty soon it will be illegal to even teach anymore. The students will come into the classroom and tell you what they believe and what they want you to say, and you'll be suspended if you deny them. Only of course if you are a Christian wanting Christian teaching!

1 + 1 = 3 now, and if you don't teach me that you are violating my christian beliefs and out of a job!!!!!!!!!!!!

[jfz9580m]

56. I agree

On a similar topic, I have given the middle-finger myself to technofascists and MAGA/Maha types.

But never to the obligations of publicly funded science. I self-police but without fascists thank you very much.

I was working on a follow up research paper to a paper I was first author on that I had some doubts about. My mentor was really cool and didn’t like to micromanage adults. Which is the best approach. Please follow the system of trust with your colleagues (who care about science) over fawning over some guys at Google and sleazy venture capitalists whether they have phony changes of heart or not while being suspicious of and draconian with your fellow academic scientists who are scornful of dumbass virtual realities and other garbage.

I’ll tell you where you can shove your VR. Is that spectacular? Maybe. But I don’t think even Yasha Levine would disapprove if he knew what I meant. I choose my own police and they are usually stricter and less self serving. But not inhumane and hateful.

Anyway, that was all over a decade back. It was around then that I ran smack into the growing encroachment into all human terrain by these technofascists and their social engineering and other bs. I still tried to cooperate despite increasingly shitty output when trying to coexist with rot one doesn’t buy into.

I am on the left unlike this student and maybe that is why I am less entitled. I still and always will recognize the obligations of science minus theatre.
But never any to ridiculous fascists who are easy going with these predatory pests of Google and Facebook and draconian with postdocs who make 30k.

Again, having always seen my actual colleagues (other postdocs, pis and students) do their best, I would never shirk there or be dishonest.

But not with some Google parasites or similar creeps shilling a lie detector or emotion ai or schizophrenia detector or whatever bloody awful worthless trash those types shill.
I never had a problem with say the Ori. But I do with self serving fascists. It’s not insanity to infer that some fucking awful thing is typically shilled as these creeps hijack more and more of reality.

They can bloody well wait after all this. I’ll turn this paper when I turn it in and continue to bash these trumpers and those tech creeps and similar frauds anywhere.

[jfz9580m]

57. It's entitlement that's what it is

And this is an asymmetry our predatory ruling class and their enablers exploit to the fucking hilt.

The average scientist say has a deep sense of obligation to the science and the scientific community.
I’ll be blunt and say I recognize none to the Trumper crowd around these days or to the predatory fucking technofascists of Google etc. Beyond a point it is making a joke of genuine obligations to science to shill a mix of mob justice or predatory data mining elites as the fix for what should be a public sector undertaking with experts who don’t have conflicts of interest nor behave like a mob.


No - a damn Ai “agent” cannot replace a hima Ori that doesn’t take liberties or an openended “quest”.
And some sort of sleazy Facebook mob.


I have been trying to dissect why every way in which the people I have encountered since 2011 think disgusts me.
It’s not secretive and elitist that an expert who is hired by a civilized govt has limits on what they can demand of a publicly funded scientist or implicitly recognizes conflicts of interest and doesn’t promote theatre or a spectacle as open science.

That’s making a mockery of publicly funded science for internet companies.
The actual thing is hard, effortful, low reward but a serious obligation in ways these fucking parasites don’t understand.

Publicly funded scientists don’t cheat because there is no point in that. I never got that Diedrich Stapel crap. What sense of pride is there in making up bs ans putting it out?

Further leftist feminists don’t behave like Elizabeth Holmes and claim that they are oppressed when called out for poor work. How would that not profoundly undermine feminism.

But after a point it becomes clear that one side is punished way more-the left, feminists, publicly funded scientists who are honest.
They want to undermine every community I support taking them hostage while this entitled fundamentalist and technofascist or mercenary mob/cabal just loot the place and genuinely give everything meaningful the finger.

My last employer was such a parasite and they are fucked. There will be no bridge building with an undemocratic misogynistic parasite and freeloader on democracy, feminism and science.

[tornado34jh]

59. I'm not going to claim I know how to write a college paper since I never went to college, but....

I read the essay. It was atrocious, lots of errors. She's supposed to be a junior college student at Oklahoma University. But forget about the assignment for a minute. If this is how she writes on an academic paper, is she doing the same on the resume? I mean, the fact that she didn't follow the rubric and then decides to go on a public stunt to garner her sympathy is not a good look for her if she can't get it right with instructions. Supposedly this student is a psychology/pre-med major. Would I really want to trust her with people based on how she is acting right now?

[AdamGG]

60. The key is, make your tests challenging enough so

if they write "this is an atheistic communist lie, but..,." before each of their answers, they won't have time to finish the test.

What happened to youth questioning their upbringing and rebelling and seeking their own truth? These kids lack imagination. Some of them were probably home schooled to assure that they would lack imagination and not challenge their parents' backward views.

[róisín_dubh]

61. I received my PhD from OU

The university got a scathing email from me. I spent three years teaching while I earned my doctorate, in a field that is now deeply vilified because of political tensions.
This is shameful and deeply dangerous.

[markie]

63. from my reading

it seems.... "The original assignment was to write an article on gender stereotypes in middle school students and how this affects their mental health." a very important issue, and in no way did the essay address this issue... the point of having critical thinking skills is to be able to see things objectively, sometimes adverse to your own way of thinking.... I'd like to think that higher education is to open minds and develop a greater understanding of the world...
....as I have said, I live with a Sociology Professor and he would have failed the paper for the same reason the instructor in this case did

[ColoradoHoosier]

64. Hemant Mehta of The Friendly Atheist did a deeper dive on this...

https://www.friendlyatheist.com/p/she-turned-in-a-bible-sermon-instead

One of the illustrations near the end of his article nails it (though I'm unable to paste that specific picture):

"I think my math teacher hates me for my beliefs"

[Clouds Passing]

65. Thank you cab67. Stay strong.