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https://www.propublica.org/article/lung-float-test-stillbirth-pregnancy-medical-examinersThe premise behind the lung float test is simple: If a baby was born alive and then died, air from its first breaths would cause its lungs to float in a jar with water. If the baby was stillborn, the lack of air in the lungs would cause them to sink. But the many critics of the test have long labeled it junk science and drawn parallels between the test and witch trials, where women were deemed witches based on whether they floated or sank.
The National Association of Medical Examiners addressed the lung float test as part of a larger position paper released in October on investigating perinatal deaths, including stillbirths. A panel of 11 experts said the test has known pitfalls and is of questionable value and without clearly defined error rates.
Those who use the lung float should be wary of accepting the results when it conforms to their summation of the findings and rejecting the result if it conflicts; a test used in such fashion inevitably becomes more dangerous than useful, the authors wrote.
The paper follows a 2023 investigation by ProPublica into the use of the lung float test in cases where women were charged with murder despite their claims that they had a stillbirth. ProPublica found that the test was deeply flawed, lacked the basic standardization of trusted forensic disciplines and did not have full support from any of the countrys 12 largest medical examiners offices.
The test is typically used where someone gives birth outside of a hospital or without medical supervision. But the paper cautioned that the distinction between a liveborn and stillborn infant can be very difficult to discern. Other than food in the stomach, the authors wrote, there is no diagnostic tool or finding that can stand alone as the sole determinant of whether an infant was liveborn or stillborn.
Lonestarblue
(13,202 posts)Im sure RFK will embrace thus idea.
WhiskeyGrinder
(26,206 posts)mountain grammy
(28,649 posts)I'm sure many of us thought the same thing as we read it.. sounds like RFK Jr.'s kind of "medicine"
If you don't want comments, why post?
WhiskeyGrinder
(26,206 posts)mountain grammy
(28,649 posts)Is to show us how bad things were in the olden days when stupid shit ruled.
Whether its medicine or forensic science, we have to understand that stupid shit is once again making a comeback.
You shouldnt be confused about this if youve read anything about RFK Junior or Oz or any of those people running HHS. Are you sure they dont have a forensic science department?
WhiskeyGrinder
(26,206 posts)mountain grammy
(28,649 posts)which is why we immediately think of RFK Jr and Oz..
Your reply to the post about that seemed a little rude and confrontational for no reason..
WhiskeyGrinder
(26,206 posts)BradBo
(898 posts)Martin68
(26,984 posts)ABrings to mind the great Monty Python sketch on how to identify a witch.
Martin68
(26,984 posts)Brings to mind the great Monty Python sketch on how to identify a witch.
Solly Mack
(96,294 posts)Zackzzzz
(253 posts)death in child birth, still birth and sudden death syndrome
I think this lung float test idea isn't simple, it's beyond junk science,
It's just, "Crazy Talk". It makes no sense.
It's 2025, and this is what.........