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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI love DU.
I was a lurker for many, many years before I became a member.
I love being among like-minded people. I love that there's something for everyone and it's a safe place to express an opinion. I really care about the wonderful people here. I usually check in several times a day.
What I do not like is when a poster is vitriolic toward another poster. I've seen it happen to others before and I didn't like it. I feel like I was viciously attacked in a response to a post I made earlier. I was told I should "CARE ENOUGH TO PAY ATTENTION!" and that there are "too many dunces not paying attention already" and to "WAKE UP!" I don't even know how to respond to that, so I didn't.
I would ask that people consider their words more carefully. I don't like being lectured or made to feel stupid.
Thank you for your attention to this matter.
Brother Buzz
(39,844 posts)The jury pool is, by and large, in agreement with with you.
jmbar2
(7,950 posts)Learned something new here tonite on DU. Thanks.
MIButterfly, thanks for posting. For a lot of us, DU is like a daily check on news, and anxiety relief from what is going on in the world. We need not cause more anxiety to others here.
vapor2
(4,371 posts)Discovered DU by Thom Hartmann. Be sure and read daily posts by Ore.
malaise
(295,365 posts)Thank you for your attention to this matter.😂
Love DU too
MIButterfly
(2,590 posts)Thank you for taking it in the spirit in which it was intended.
malaise
(295,365 posts)😀
ancianita
(43,284 posts)UTUSN
(77,587 posts)SunImp
(2,696 posts)Opinion. You see them when a Duer expresses concern for what the party is doing or when they disagree with party leadership. It's rich with condescention & twisted strawmaning of the op points. Words & phrases like "tantrum", "loyal", "real world", "sarcasm" etc are overly used to talk down to others. In the Tos it's says it's supposed to be a friendly and welcoming place. These posters are only here to be abusive and feel superior because they can't do it irl really.
leftstreet
(40,258 posts)Very nicely stated, and kudos to you
hlthe2b
(113,693 posts)and heaven knows there is enough to be stressed out about right now to have most of us on a razor's edge.
But, yes. I think we have all been on the receiving end a time or two and it sucks.
usonian
(24,847 posts)Some topics get people in a frenzy. In earlier times, it seems like slashdot was entirely flame wars and I had to drop it.
Good old Ralph Barbieri used to say "Angels fly because they take themselves lightly."
calimary
(89,806 posts)"Angels fly because they take themselves lightly."
I like that A LOT!
Niagara
(11,709 posts)If you ever need it, there's this wonderful tool on DU that you can utilize called an ignore list.
It's wonderful to utilized. Another DU'er recently commented that their ignore list is the size of the LA phone directory. I laughed out loud as my looks the same way.
Glad to have you here on DU, MIButterfly.
littlemissmartypants
(32,840 posts)jfz9580m
(16,985 posts)I have come up with a sort of rule of thumb when I speak in general terms: 1) it is usually about public figures or influential academics or writers I explicitly name. Sometimes people identify with such people. I get that. There are people I follow where I would feel affronted. So I usually stop reading things if someone I respect is attacked, since that muddies perceptions. It is a personal emergency (though a dully slow boiling one) at a time of widespread unrest that sometimes is connected more directly or merely loosely part of a wider pattern of dysfunction, malice and stupidity. 2) sometimes it is about dynamics that a larger group used or uses..not DU. I have never been attacked on DU and would brush it off if I was and go on a vague tangential ramble to defuse conflict were I attacked.
But while I agree with you MIButterfly, I have found over time that I have learnt to respect even obnoxiously purveyed views where honest. At the time one may flinch, but much later you will look back finding the context it applied in.
Maybe by now I think human nature at its merely abrasive or jarring should not be suppressed when honest. Agreeability can be bad. I do prefer civility to pugilistic puffery. But sometimes you have to be clear.
I find it alarming when humans are humiliated into having their spirit broken (except the politicians, billionaires and media types..they took their faustian deals and can suck it). Or when it becomes sugary or fake kayfabe.
The war on reality is real and I cannot say I am enthusiastic about poking an opaque beast.
But ugly and inelegant as it is, maybe..lol..
I would be braindead if I didnt have a sense of humor.
The point is not UFC style fights. Sometimes when people have worldviews that have directly and further will directly be a huge nuisance even going forward, by when we are so engulfed by the next wave of chaos.
Ed Zitron got it when he mentioned sincerity. If you are a human trying to make sense of reality as only honest and non-malicious humans (not rubbish ai..) can..as long as it goes somewhere other than breaking earth and enriching billionaires, it is okay by me. Zitron tore into Dudesy a loathesome ai comic that used George Carlin..I agree with Zitron that Carlins estate should sue.
I am in insincere bs in my state with no reprieve and that cannot go on.
We all pay at least commensurately for our errors and I paid well past any sane metric and so I am no longer okay with blanket pardons for unconscious greed (a thing I can truly say never motivated me)..vanity, obstinacy, anger yes. All humans are vain, obstinate some. There are forgivable follies. Greed, narcissism, solipsism, complacency because your stupidity is richly rewarded are not forgivable.
And forgiving everyone is monumentally unfair to those who bore the brunt of these errors. And it sends the wrong message about acceptable social or professional behavior.
As is I have had to pick one idiot to forgive (I chose Prof Hennessy, this amazingly doltish but not necessarily sleazy computer science professor with an administerial style that would have to go a ways to be merely negligent and that is because he can probably be bullied by the rabble uprising (which is mostly just me as of this date) into community service though not his creepy fellow travellers at Google..just him..surely he must think once in a way..he is some kind of cs professor. Can thinking be anathema to him entirely? Can he be capable only of going around grunting GDP growth yes!, canned vaguely progressive statement yes! as stuff of no use to anyone but fraudsters in respectable drag proliferates).
Orrex
(66,995 posts)I try to call it out when I see it, and I'm sorry that you were its target.
BaronChocula
(4,461 posts)When someone is weaving in and out of traffic and they cut you off, it feels like you against that driver. Actually its that driver against everyone else. Chances are everyone else hates that driver too. As a decent person, youre in good company.
Cha
(318,610 posts)As for that personal attack or any of them.. I wholeheartedly suggest Post # 1 !
Mahalo, MIButterfly 🦋
markodochartaigh
(5,444 posts)I've been a member for about 8 years now. About a decade before that I joined DU under another name and asked one question. I received several vicious and demeaning answers so after that I moved to DK. After a few years there I was banned, although I still get their fund raising emails. Then I moved to DU. I had one post removed in April '23. I have no idea why, it was a link to a Guardian article that discussed how "small government" Republicans in Texas prevented counties from enacting local anti-fracking laws.
I will say that people on DU seem to be more sparing in their upvotes as compared to some fora on Reddit. I just attribute that to us on DU being older. Still, I upvote a lot. I hope that nobody minds.
TBF
(36,424 posts)and similar sites. I can't even read comments on there (like if you go on a politician's page - just constant bickering).
On this site a great idea is to take a break in the lounge from time to time. I've been doing that lately and I find it helps to read the lighter posts.
summer_in_TX
(4,146 posts)I used to love going to Democracy for America, the online community that became active in support of Howard Dean's candidacy in 2004. But over time, flaming became common. I don't like seeing others treated with contempt so gave up on that site. I suspect many others did too. Free speech without limit turned toxic with anonymity.
DU is infinitely better, although now and again a poster will tend to seem to enjoy being contentious and occasionally one will be a jerk in how they treat others. Having rules and moderators as referees seems to be a major reason DU stays a lovely community.
NNadir
(37,877 posts)As an oldtimer here, I have more than once pulled out a torch and have been met with responses involving flame throwers.
There's that old maxim, "If you're not angry, you're not paying attention."
There are several features of DU that make it superior to other leftist political websites. One of these is the jury system, accessed by the alert button. DU peers will be called to decide if you have violated the terms of service with respect to personal attacks. The post will be hidden, and the poster will receive in their inbox a notification.
The other is the "ignore list."
If you decide that another DUer is too obnoxious, or disagrees on a point of passion that is important to you implacabably, you can put them on your ignore list accessed at "My Du."
I have a lovely extensive "ignore list" that helps me stay within the terms of service despite my passions, in particular with respect to environmental issues.
In any public space, there are people with whom interaction is simply not worth it.
Best wishes to your gentle soul.
Clouds Passing
(7,864 posts)Love you too