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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWOW! MAGAt Moses Mikey REALLY has his SH*T together on the "SAVE Trump' ASS" voter suppression bill talking points!
Aaron Rupar
@atrupar.com
Q: Can you give one example of fraud in a previous election that the SAVE America Act would stop?
MIKE JOHNSON: Look, we're not gonna litigate all that
Q: Can you give one example of fraud in a previous election that the SAVE America Act would stop?
— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar.com) 2026-03-17T14:48:42.670Z
MIKE JOHNSON: Look, we're not gonna litigate all that
vapor2
(4,408 posts)rsdsharp
(11,979 posts)This isnt about us staying in power, so stop saying that!
thought crime
(1,515 posts)- It is based on a National ID issued to every citizen free-of-charge, with supporting infrastructure to make the card easy and free to obtain and maintain (e.g. update photo) and to replace when lost.
- The National ID replaces or is linked to Social Security Number and Passport and can be used in lieu of both.
- The National ID is secure, theft-proof and preserves privacy.
- The Voter ID Law does not make it more difficult to vote (i.e compatible with mail-in voting, etc), so verification of the ID should not require physical presence.
- The Voter ID Law does not go into effect until a test vote is successfully performed in a populous state with mail-in voting.
- The Voter ID Law does not go into effect unless and until 99.99% of US citizens are verified to possess the National ID.
Ms. Toad
(38,548 posts)Nothing which requires a documentation trail from birth to the present, tracing every name change, through multiple state entities, is going to be easy to obtain, regardless of whether the card is free.
Way too many hurdles to obtaining the necessary documentation, especially for people who have changed their names one or more times (women, trans individuals), or individuals whose births were never formally recorded (older, minority) - and in some cases were actively discouraged from being recorded, and whose secondary documents (often held in churches) were destroyed - often in racially motivated attacks, or for people are housing insecure and can't always carry everything with them when they get bounced from one place to another.
thought crime
(1,515 posts)I think or hope I made the point that there is a lot of work to be done before any Voter ID Law could take effect. We should not simply put the burden on each individual to produce this information, and we should not allow such a law to go into effect without much preparation or time. Solutions for the hurdles you listed should definitely be added to the requirements for a National ID system. I think it could be achieved but would be expensive and would take a long time to develop. Perhaps start with a pilot program in a state like Vermont. And there would also be resistance from some libertarians who object to government holding such information. I don't think it needs to be worse than "Passports for Everyone", but there would need to be some debate. Would it lead to a "Papers please" society?