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Passages

(4,011 posts)
Tue Mar 17, 2026, 04:16 PM 12 hrs ago

Jon Favreau: The tired, relentless attempt to equate opposition to the Israeli government

with antisemitism isn't just wrong and offensive, it's a badly failing political strategy that has hurt the fight against a very real threat to Jewish people.

No one buys this shit beyond the most hardcore supporters of the Israeli government.





Attacking without merit, Van Hollen and Ro Khanna will lead nowhere good.
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Jon Favreau: The tired, relentless attempt to equate opposition to the Israeli government (Original Post) Passages 12 hrs ago OP
Shamefully, there was plenty of this conflagration of being against the Gaza war with anti-semitism on DU. Intractable 12 hrs ago #1
I think the word you wanted was "conflation"... regnaD kciN 11 hrs ago #6
Well, Israel wants to burn it all down, eh? Intractable 11 hrs ago #8
You make a good point. FadedMullet 9 hrs ago #27
Those who voted based on Gaza Envirogal 9 hrs ago #23
People who had Gaza as a major issue felt betrayed by Biden, Intractable 9 hrs ago #25
It is not a war. The Palestinians have no tanks, no planes, no ships, LuvLoogie 9 hrs ago #24
It's not my idea to call it a war. It's Netanyahu's. Intractable 9 hrs ago #26
I understand. I am on autocorrect on certain terms LuvLoogie 8 hrs ago #31
Posts like this have been appearing with increasing frequency lately. 3_Limes 12 hrs ago #2
I posted this as news worthy because two Democrats have been attacked without merit. Passages 12 hrs ago #3
I hope you don't get reported. Bread and Circuses 12 hrs ago #5
👏👏👏 Being against war crimes and murder is NOT antisemitism. Bread and Circuses 12 hrs ago #4
Why would Israeli's revolt? Passages 11 hrs ago #7
I've always supported Israel Bread and Circuses 11 hrs ago #11
I understand. Passages 11 hrs ago #13
It is hard to understand.. Bread and Circuses 10 hrs ago #15
The treatment/policies go back decades, unfortunately. Passages 9 hrs ago #20
Not really hard... regnaD kciN 8 hrs ago #30
Dehumanization works. AloeVera 6 hrs ago #35
I so wish I could rec your post about a 150 times or so. Maru Kitteh 9 hrs ago #17
Criticism of a nation's government and leadership Deminpenn 11 hrs ago #9
Not in these instances, and why I posted the information. Passages 11 hrs ago #10
Thanks! I love Ro ! Bread and Circuses 11 hrs ago #12
A good man who has a very bright future in our party. Passages 11 hrs ago #14
Completely agree. My biggest regret with President Biden is not being tougher on Bibi tulipsandroses 10 hrs ago #16
Favreau's Sexist Photo Is No Laughing Matter question everything 9 hrs ago #18
You are free to ignore him. Passages 9 hrs ago #19
Dated Dec. 2008 BidenRocks 9 hrs ago #21
Sometimes people get the message right. chowder66 9 hrs ago #22
Shades of Al Franken. Intractable 8 hrs ago #28
A stupid fake grab is not a crime! BidenRocks 8 hrs ago #29
I personally believe that Franken is gone because Schumer saw an opportunity to get rid of a powerful progressive. Intractable 8 hrs ago #32
Al Franken could freehand draw all the 50 states. BidenRocks 7 hrs ago #33
Old AA listener -- me too! Intractable 7 hrs ago #34

Intractable

(2,009 posts)
1. Shamefully, there was plenty of this conflagration of being against the Gaza war with anti-semitism on DU.
Tue Mar 17, 2026, 04:26 PM
12 hrs ago

People would say stupid sh*t like, "I support the war, but I don't support Netanyahu."

Well, such Democrats are/were part of the problem.

The Gaza war, and the contradictory positions of the Democratic party on Gaza, were a big factors in how Kamala lost the election.

We must wage peace as aggressively as the warmongers do with war.

regnaD kciN

(27,615 posts)
6. I think the word you wanted was "conflation"...
Tue Mar 17, 2026, 04:35 PM
11 hrs ago

…although a conflagration may well be the result.

Intractable

(2,009 posts)
8. Well, Israel wants to burn it all down, eh?
Tue Mar 17, 2026, 04:41 PM
11 hrs ago

So, I'll use that as my excuse for getting the words wrong.

Envirogal

(307 posts)
23. Those who voted based on Gaza
Tue Mar 17, 2026, 07:14 PM
9 hrs ago

certainly didn’t do better voting for Trump.

I never understood that argument Biden/Kamala were so terrible so let’s vote for Trump whose son-in-law was declaring Gaza as a future Israeli and Trump family resort.

Reminds me of the Nader voters who thought “both sides” were the same and wanted to “send a message” that gave us W. Way to go.

Intractable

(2,009 posts)
25. People who had Gaza as a major issue felt betrayed by Biden,
Tue Mar 17, 2026, 07:30 PM
9 hrs ago

for his unequivocal support in providing Israel with weapons.

They weren't thinking that someone else could be worse. They weren't thinking. They were crying. They were angry.

Some of them were very clear that they would not vote Democratic unless something was done. Biden did nothing forceful to constrain Israel's aggression.

I didn't feel betrayed. But, I did feel bewildered, and knew it would cost us the election.

LuvLoogie

(8,790 posts)
31. I understand. I am on autocorrect on certain terms
Tue Mar 17, 2026, 08:06 PM
8 hrs ago

in certain cases. "Illegal alien" is another. It's a a racist, dehumanizing term favored by white supremacist gatekeepers to liberty and due process.

3_Limes

(508 posts)
2. Posts like this have been appearing with increasing frequency lately.
Tue Mar 17, 2026, 04:28 PM
12 hrs ago

And just to prove the posters point for them, they usually get reported as being anti-semitic. So the OP should expect that.

Passages

(4,011 posts)
3. I posted this as news worthy because two Democrats have been attacked without merit.
Tue Mar 17, 2026, 04:30 PM
12 hrs ago

I never expect everyone to agree with what I post.

Bread and Circuses

(1,953 posts)
5. I hope you don't get reported.
Tue Mar 17, 2026, 04:33 PM
12 hrs ago

Over the past couple of years, similar posts were often ‘dinged’.

We need to have honest, respectful debate . I hope DU Admin understands that criticizing Israel is to stop suffering and murder .

Bread and Circuses

(1,953 posts)
4. 👏👏👏 Being against war crimes and murder is NOT antisemitism.
Tue Mar 17, 2026, 04:30 PM
12 hrs ago

Netanyahu pushed PedoPrez to bomb Iran because of his own corruption .

The Israeli people need to REVOLT and get rid of their government which puts them and the world at risk.

Peace for the Mideast and the World.
Arrest Putin, Netanayu and Trump to end the Axis of Evil!

Passages

(4,011 posts)
7. Why would Israeli's revolt?
Tue Mar 17, 2026, 04:36 PM
11 hrs ago
Trump one of best US presidents for Israel, majority of Israelis say - poll
According to the index's findings, 73% of Israelis rate Trump as a better-than-average US president in terms of Israel's interests, with 49% describing him as one of the best in history for Israel.


Updated: FEBRUARY 11, 2026 22:54

https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/politics-and-diplomacy/article-886353


Bread and Circuses

(1,953 posts)
11. I've always supported Israel
Tue Mar 17, 2026, 05:04 PM
11 hrs ago

👉🏽Note: I am not antisemitic and I have always supported Israel’s right to exist. I wish peace for all people in the MidEast.
I respect all faiths and spiritual traditions.

I hope the citizens of Israel are realizing that the US Citizens are sick of sending taxes to wage wars and kill children.
If they support Netanayu and Trump….they’ve revealed their heart !

They need to care about the entire Planet . We all remember the Holocaust, the way to protect Israelis is to PROTECT the World.
Enough of this Madness ! Two-state solution.

Israel requires the US support, the day is coming when that money will dry up. Soon. Soon. Soon.

"May the LORD bless you and keep you;
May the LORD shine his face upon you and be gracious to you;
May the LORD lift up his face upon you and give you his peace."
(Num. 6:24-26)

Passages

(4,011 posts)
13. I understand.
Tue Mar 17, 2026, 05:23 PM
11 hrs ago

I don't support Israeli policies.

I questioned why the public at large in Israeli society would revolt against their government regarding policies toward Palestinians. I don't believe objections that are similar to mine exist there in any real sense. They appreciate Trump in
that regard.

I take their opinion of Trump quite seriously. It is a reflection of a state of mind and spirit, imho.

Bread and Circuses

(1,953 posts)
15. It is hard to understand..
Tue Mar 17, 2026, 05:38 PM
10 hrs ago

How the citizens of Israel have openly embraced war crimes by their government.

History will remember .

Passages

(4,011 posts)
20. The treatment/policies go back decades, unfortunately.
Tue Mar 17, 2026, 07:02 PM
9 hrs ago

Societies don't change overnight imo.

regnaD kciN

(27,615 posts)
30. Not really hard...
Tue Mar 17, 2026, 07:46 PM
8 hrs ago

…as Gideon Levy pointed out, all the major parties in Israeli politics have spent decades spreading the narrative that Palestinians are violent subhumans who are an existential threat to all Israelis. (TBH, the “violent threat” part of that narrative reflected a degree of reality for at least the first few decades of Israel’s existence.)

The end result is that, for a pretty large majority of the Israeli populace, Palestinians are seen pretty much the same as Blacks or Latinex are seen by MAGA.

AloeVera

(4,208 posts)
35. Dehumanization works.
Tue Mar 17, 2026, 09:36 PM
6 hrs ago

It works in many ways. It eases the conscience too so you don't have to think about the HUMAN aspect of driving people off their lands, burning their villages and shooting them dead when they try to go back home.

Deminpenn

(17,451 posts)
9. Criticism of a nation's government and leadership
Tue Mar 17, 2026, 04:43 PM
11 hrs ago

is not criticism of the people of that country. For ex, criticism of Trump and his administration s doesn't make one anri-American.

Passages

(4,011 posts)
10. Not in these instances, and why I posted the information.
Tue Mar 17, 2026, 04:52 PM
11 hrs ago

These two Democrats were targeted without merit. This is not to suggest people don't ever use stereotypes..antisemitic speech when critical of Israel.

I stand with Van Hollen & Khanna and do not appreciate the unconditional support expected from them. In return for their opinion, they have been slandered.

tulipsandroses

(8,237 posts)
16. Completely agree. My biggest regret with President Biden is not being tougher on Bibi
Tue Mar 17, 2026, 06:13 PM
10 hrs ago

in public.

Passages

(4,011 posts)
19. You are free to ignore him.
Tue Mar 17, 2026, 06:59 PM
9 hrs ago

Do we not accept his apology to Clinton?

Apparently, Obama did since he worked for him.

chowder66

(12,192 posts)
22. Sometimes people get the message right.
Tue Mar 17, 2026, 07:10 PM
9 hrs ago

Liz Cheney and MTG aren't exactly paragons of Democracy and yet many have agreed with some of the things they have done or said even though most of what they actually did was against the American people and democracy.

Intractable

(2,009 posts)
28. Shades of Al Franken.
Tue Mar 17, 2026, 07:36 PM
8 hrs ago

Did we stop respecting Franken for those photos of him? Well, yeah. I did a little bit.

But, I didn't want him to leave the Senate over it.

I'm glad you posted this. I will remember it when I hear Favreau speak.

Intractable

(2,009 posts)
32. I personally believe that Franken is gone because Schumer saw an opportunity to get rid of a powerful progressive.
Tue Mar 17, 2026, 08:24 PM
8 hrs ago

Imagine Franken in Schumer's job. I have many times. I think Chuck did as well.

Hence, Schumer did nothing to prevent this disaster -- this stain on the Democratic party -- brought about by an eager Gillibrand.

BidenRocks

(3,195 posts)
33. Al Franken could freehand draw all the 50 states.
Tue Mar 17, 2026, 08:40 PM
7 hrs ago

Chump would be lucky to name 10.
I'm an old AA listener.

Intractable

(2,009 posts)
34. Old AA listener -- me too!
Tue Mar 17, 2026, 08:47 PM
7 hrs ago

Ironically, Franken was about my least favorite host. I didn't find him to be especially progressive, and he wasn't that funny.

I really liked Randi Rhodes and the budding Rachel Maddow.

But the one I liked the most was RFK jr. His Ring of Fire was the best of AA.

RFK jr making policies that harm the public is especially heartbreaking for me, having been one who formerly listened to him.

How the mighty have fallen.

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