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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI worked in the Oil and Gas industry for over 30 years...
...and I was asked many, many times: "when the price of oil falls, why doesn't the price of gas fall as well?"
The answer is surprisingly simple: The price of a barrel of oil is based on speculation - will the future price of oil increase or decrease? It is commodity traders placing bets based on nebulous, often unreliable data. Like the effect of the 39 claims that the Straight of Hormuz with open, OPEC limiting production, or predictions of a harsh winter in Europe, etc.
The price of a gallon of gas is only based on "what the market will bear." Just like any other consumer product, businesses (in this case gas stations) charge as much as they can to maximize profit. They only back off the higher price when it decreases sales. You will see local gas stations compete for customers by lowering their prices a few cents here and there.
Oil companies raised gas prices using the excuse of Trump's war on Iran. Now, "what the market will bear" has been set well over $1.50 per gallon more that before. The price of gas may come down a bit, less than 50 cents a gallon, but the new normal has been set for the market.
underpants
(197,615 posts)gab13by13
(32,984 posts)I think it's worse than what the market will bear, I think the price is being manipulated, I think that OPEC is on the outside looking in.
China has had more to do with the price of crude not going any higher than other considerations. China's demand for crude has dropped way down, will it stay that way?
So many countries using up their strategic oil reserves designed to keep the price of crude down, then what?
IMO if a Democrat were president, crude would be well over $100/barrel, the market takes care of Republicans, after all, Krasnov gave the store away to the fossil fuel industry and stymied clean energy, the fossil fuel industry owes Krasnov.
kacekwl
(9,292 posts)celebrate falling prices to a dollar more than when this shit started.
GreatGazoo
(4,791 posts)But the price of a gallon of gasoline is influenced by many factors:
seasonal demand
work from home policies
pandemics
the amount of ethanol allowed into the mix
the available supply of each specific blend -- 87, 89, 91, 93, jet fuel, etc
10 other things
Yes oil futures involve speculation but now many large customers locked in high cost for months. IOW if UPS, Walmart, Fedex bought September futures when the price was $110 they are stuck with that. Oil futures are used reduce risk and uncertainty. For example, airlines sell tickets months in advance so they need to know what their fuel costs will be for Thanksgiving travel. They do that by buying October and November deliveries (futures) now or two months ago. If they bought at $110 then they aren't going to get a discount to $80 today.
'Speculation' sounds like a greedy, frivolous thing but it means some had to buy and some had to sell oil futures and neither one knew with any certainty whether prices three months into the future would fall back to $60 or rip to $150. Futures traded at $105 to $120 because it splits the difference.
CapnSteve
(419 posts)Also, the price of a barrel of oil is dependent on the relative strength of the US dollar, since oil price is reported in USD.
Strong USD = lower oil price.
Weak USD = higher oil price.
CapnSteve
(419 posts)
.I would argue that all those influencers on gas prices that you list are weak influencers. The strong influencer is what the market will bear. Also, I was focusing on the general consumer, not, for example, airlines who buy up fuel futures to hedge against rising prices (as SWA did successfully a few years back).
Regarding oil speculation (which is the same as stocks, orange juice, etc.) - there is the argument that the US should identify oil as a strategic resource and limit futures trading of it. That would have a stabilizing effect on the price of oil.
Not to distract from the original purpose of the OP: to highlight why the price of a barrel of oil is disconnected from the price of gas.
TexasBushwhacker
(21,336 posts)you name it. Introducing this volatility in the market just allows the providers to see just how much we will pay for their items. I mean, the price of eggs is back down to just about as cheap as they can get. Do you think Denny's, Cracker Barrel and IHOP are going to reprint their menus with lower prices for their 3 egg omelettes? Hell no! At least not until they have too!
littlemissmartypants
(35,236 posts)popsdenver
(2,756 posts)with EVERYTHING.......Utility prices, grocery prices, medical care, medicines, insurances, property taxes etc............
The list is endless..........The Corporations have made out like bandits since 2016, along with these new ROBBER BARRONS...
The Republicans should re name the U.S. to: ........ The United Corporations of America......
WASF
dlk
(13,407 posts)Since they have a captive market, they raise prices whenever they feel like it.
onenote
(46,322 posts)The price of a gallon of regular was $3.095 in January 2011. In February 2019, the month before the pandemic hit, it was $2.309. In between, it moved all over the place, hitting a hiigh of $3.90 in April 2011 and a low of $1.76 in February 2016.
Seems like the market price doesn't just go in one direction. https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/leafhandler.ashx?n=pet&s=emm_epmr_pte_nus_dpg&f=m
kimbutgar
(27,684 posts)IbogaProject
(6,148 posts)So now quarter by quarter demand will ever so slowly decrease. The lack of growth will wreck havoc on the oil industry's financing.
OC375
(1,169 posts)multigraincracker
(38,241 posts)I got a job a few nights a week at a gas station. It was a major brand and I learned they didnt make much on fuel. Their profit was from the junk they sell inside.
Never buy anything inside the station until the price comes way down and youll be sticking to them. I stop at discount for cash stations when ever I can. That cost them.
Id rather help the small mom and pop stores for snacks and such.
Skittles
(173,454 posts)no INDEED