Surveillance State

[angrychair]

With everything going on it's easy for some things to slip through the cracks and for me that "thing" was the scale and speed of the surveillance state we are fast approaching.

From Flock cameras to new cars to 6G to actual grocery store carts, the scope and scale of the approaching government nannie state CANNOT be exaggerated.

The Al and social media and surveillance industry's own public admission, they will be able to track you in real time, everywhere you go, everything you do and everything you say, no matter where you are, can and will be tracked monitored and stored by these companies and shared with the government and monetized and studied.

There will be cameras required in your car, TV and computer that will monitor everything you do in order to use those devices.

I get it, you think I'm being hyperbolic or a kook.

I promise you I'm not.

That's why I debated with myself to include links or not. I decided it's easier for you to go look yourself and determine if I'm right or not.

Also will add that the systems they are creating will also automatically notify law enforcement if it thinks you have committed a crime, if you really have or not.

We have been so preoccupied with Republican and Trump insanity on a daily basis that we never realized that buried in all the stuff they were doing was also the framework to make all that possible.
Honestly, some of it was not that subtle and not all of it was just Republicans.

Things like constant monitoring of your vehicle and your computer usage, was, as much or more so, initiatives of Democrats as Republicans.

I am not sure how we got from a Republican party that railed against the government surveillance state/nannie state to this but here we are.

It is, very much, much worse than you think it is.

[TheFisherQueen]

1. A tool is a tool

The issue is not per se surveillance, but rather that it’s being utilized to suppress valid freedom of expression and speech at the hands of a radical cult. All the same, what we need after regaining the white house, senate and house is to root out and effectively dispel the disinformation that is at the core of the MAGA movement, the foreign investment and normalizing of hate speech. All these actions will require that areas in which malicious actors congregate are not allowed to act in a manner contrary to human decency and (hopefully after proper legislation is passed) the law. Yes, I understand people are very hesitant and fearful as of now, but a brighter future necessitates we don’t limit ourselves out of ignorance in striving for a better future.

[Attilatheblond]

2. Hoping my 'low chip containing' vehicle holds out the rest of my life, which won't be too long.

I ALWAYS knew Ted Kaczynski had some very valid concerns and knew where the roots of the problems hid. Obsessed? Yes. Dangerous? Absolutely, to the people posing the greatest risks to the rest of us. Peculiar? People who connect enough dots to see a bigger picture generally are.

But he wasn't wrong and too many bought into the bad press his desperation garnered until... it's probably too late to avoid the hellscape of corporate rule.

[TheProle]

3. Earlier Today

Europe’s ‘Chat Control’ Surveillance Sparks Fears Over Private Messages

The European Parliament has approved an extension of rules that allow major technology companies to voluntarily scan private messages, emails and other online communications for child sexual abuse material.

Supporters of the law argue that it helps protect children, while opponents warn it risks undermining the privacy of millions of users.

The temporary law—dubbed "Chat Control" by its critics—lets tech companies including Meta, Google and Microsoft voluntarily scan eligible communications for child sexual abuse material and report it to authorities.

https://www.newsweek.com/europes-chat-control-surveillance-sparks-fears-over-private-messages-12181431

[angrychair]

4. Absolutely bonkers

They are giving companies many of their respective countries are trying to disentangle themselves from, line Microsoft, Amazon, Meta and Google, because of privacy and security concerns and giving them permission to scan everyone's private emails and texts and essentially make them the police, to judge who needs to be referred to police for what amounts, very likely, to some Al not scanning your messages.

[Fiendish Thingy]

6. So, agreeing to surveillance will be a consensual Term Of Service, right?

Don’t want to be surveilled, don’t use email, send a letter instead.

Or elect democrats who will expand the court and regulate the companies involved.

[CrispyQ]

11. I read they scan every envelope. Can that be true?

Seems like overkill.

[Fiendish Thingy]

5. I'm not scared.

Just precisely what concerns you the most about the surveillance you fear is just around the corner?

Aside from the potential for law enforcement to misuse AI surveillance in criminal investigations (which will be challenged in court and, if Dems expand the court, overturned) Who is gonna do the surveillance, and for what purpose?

Marketing?

Do you own a smart phone? Do you have email?

[angrychair]

8. That is exactly the perspective I fear

The "if you aren't doing anything wrong why do you care" talking point.

That is, to be blunt, absolutely insane perspective to have.
Do you honestly want systems in your car that control if you are even able to turn it on? Do you want the government monitoring your devices and have the ability to listen to your every conversation and where you go, who your with and what your doing, 24/7?
Combing through your every email or text without cause or warrant? (See post #3)
Yea, you can say "your phone can do that or is doing that" yea, to a degree but what is coming is a very different level of surveillance and much more extensive.

People have a right to privacy and the ability to move about without having their locations and movements monitored, with by private companies or the government.

[Fiendish Thingy]

10. You misunderstand me

I didn’t say “I don’t care”

I said I am not afraid.

The fact is, unless Congress expands the court and regulates these companies, surveillance will be an entirely consensual condition of using their software/platform/services.

[angrychair]

13. Oh, ok

I don't disagree with that but the surveillance I'm referencing is far more pervasive than just your phone or vehicle.
It's also a web of devices like flock cameras and license plate readers and listening devices and Bluetooth monitoring devices and signal capturing devices, all interconnected that will track everyone's movements, what they say and where they go and what they are doing, all without your consent or knowledge.

I would also reiterate that much of this is actively being promoted and encouraged by Democrats in Congress as much as Republicans.
The Kids Online Safety Act, a key legislative goal of Democrats in Congress, will require people to submit a government ID in order to use the Internet and uniquely identity you, where you go and what you say and will be stored and analyzed by companies like Palantir.

[Fiendish Thingy]

15. A freshly expanded, liberal majority SCOTUS would almost certainly rule that to be unconstitutional

Certainly a violation of fourth amendment rights, with any data obtained inadmissible as evidence in court.

Just one more reason why court expansion, and killing the filibuster to do so, must be the #1 priority for 2028.

(It doesn’t have to be the most prominent campaign issue, just the first thing Dems do once regaining the trifecta)

[angrychair]

17. I don't disagree with that

But we need our elected Democrats to stop promoting laws for a surveillance state as well.

I think a big part of that will be to ban Congress from insider trading and ban unlimited dark money and PAC money. Campaigns need be legally required to know and disclose where every cent being used in their campaign came from.
How we got to this point, where the courts decided that money is speech and corporations are like people, is absolutely insane.

[Boo1]

14. Because ensuring that the next repiblican

President will have a handpicked court of his own is the best way to protect us.

[Fiendish Thingy]

16. If Dems govern fearlessly and unhesitatingly progressive...

There won’t be another Republican president for a generation, let alone republican control of both chambers of congress.

(See FDR and the New Deal)

If we are to save democracy, restore lost rights, and repair the damage of the Trump era, now is the time for courage, not cowardice.

The time of pragmatic incrementalism and timid, politics-as-usual has passed.

[bucolic_frolic]

7. Don't forget Google. And all the rest.

Spent 2-1/2 hours on a mouse problem with Google, turned out to be dust in the mouse, not 476 lines of boot code.

Today I tried to learn why Google Voice didn't work with Messages. Google Messages was the required replacement for Samsung Message App being replaced. As with all things Google everything is connected, but I get messages months late, not at all, and Voice is a crapshoot.

So the surveillance State has fascist tentacles!

[CrispyQ]

12. Samsung's was better. -nt

[Ponietz]

9. Private equity buys public utilities and makes data centers a priority

while people roast because of roaming blackouts. Human beings are commodities now.

[lostnfound]

18. I agree. It is everywhere.it can be used to contain, limit, punish or frame people

Like in china where a social credit system determines if you can shop at particular stores, get a job, get into school, etc. Their system punishes you for what kind of friends you have,and your family members’ behavior too. Thus creating peer pressure to not be critical of the government, etc.

Betcha their new AI system will be able to retroactively change key pieces of information to create evidence where needed. Not on routine situations of course.
But routine scoring of people for their opposition or cooperation seems quite likely.