Ohio Senate passes measure forcing hospitals to administer ivermectin, other patient-requested treatments

[BumRushDaShow]

Source: The Hill

12/12/24 3:28 PM ET


The Ohio state Senate passed a bill earlier this week that will allow patients to force hospitals to administer drugs for off-label use. The passage of the bill comes after a years-long effort by Republican lawmakers in the state to expand COVID-19 patients’ access to drugs like ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine, according to reporting from the Ohio Capital Journal.

Multiple high-profile conservatives—including President-elect Donald Trump—touted both drugs as alternative treatments for COVID-19. Research shows though that the drugs are ineffective in treating the disease and preventing hospitalizations. Ivermectin is an anti-parasitic drug used to de-worm animals while hydroxychloroquine is a medication used to treat malaria.

Under the bill, a prescriber can write a prescription for off-label use of drug as long as they have the patient’s permission, anyone holding a patient’s power of attorney or in the case of minors, their parent or guardian’s permission.

Hospitals, in-patient facilities and the pharmacists working within them are also required to dispense drugs for off-label use during public health emergencies as part of the bill. There are some caveats to the proposed rule, however, that would enable a prescriber to say no to issuing a drug for off-label use.

Read more: https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/5037697-ohio-senate-passes-measure-forcing-hospitals-to-administer-ivermectin-other-patient-requested-treatments/

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The GOP is literally trying to execute people but force doctors to do it.

There were court cases in OH back in 2021 - one of them - An Ohio Judge Reverses An Earlier Order Forcing A Hospital To Administer Ivermectin

[FarPoint]

1. Here they go again....

playing the physician..... It's time the doctors hold the line....

[rampartd]

67. will the legislature be sued when ivermectin or bleach pr some wild dr oz snake oil is prescribed????

at the patient's request.

of course not. the malpractice will fall onto the doctor.

did the families of the dead samoan children sue rfk?

are any of the women bleeding in parking lots suing? i'll have to check.

[FarPoint]

88. A physician should indeed fear being sued....

This is a known inaccurate treatment for COVID.... actually useless.

I don't know but maybe a Nurse who is following the doctors order to administer this drug may be safe but the prescriber definately appears liable.,such as the PA, Nurse Practioner and physician.

[odins folly]

80. I say this began with

Allowing drug manufacturers to advertise on radio & TV; "ask your Dr if XXX is good for YOU"....

[Dock_Yard]

86. Ehhhh, Ohhhh, Way To Go, Ohio ...

ref: "My City Was Gone", The Pretenders / Chrissy Hynde , 1980's

[sop]

2. Except certain procedures for women.

[BumRushDaShow]

4. Exactly.

[Marthe48]

3. the reason rwnj entered politics is because they suck at other professions

they totally suck. But there they are, embracing snake oil treatments for their ignorant audience.

The way things are going, Darwin will cull the herd before the next election.

[Diamond_Dog]

5. "Dr. Trump told me this works"

[magicarpet]

6. Will hospitals be required to shove a flashlight up people's,...

.... butts - because it cleans out the germs like donOLD said ?

[DJ Synikus Makisimus]

7. What did the kaolinite mining industry contribute to Ohio legislative races?

Expiring minds want to know.

[mpcamb]

39. Maybe there's a suppository version of ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine.

Source:

Let's hope there's a suppository version of ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine.

No link yet.

[jmowreader]

63. A compounding pharmacy can make them

However...

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4497912/

In this article two patients with diseases ivermectin actually treats - threadworm infestations - were dosed with ivermectin suppositories - which they had to make on site - and failed to achieve enough serum concentration of the drug to be beneficial. In layman's terms, ivermectin suppositories don't work. But since ivermectin doesn't work on COVID anyway, the stuff not getting into the bloodstream is a net positive.

[surfered]

8. These folks should be nominated for the Darwin Awards.

This is given to people who remove themselves from the gene pool by doing something really stupid.

[Granny Blue]

46. Not Quite!

Its only given to people who remove themselves from the gene pool before reproducing. If they have passed genes on, not eligible!

[surfered]

49. I stand corrected.

[surfered]

50. Good to know

[bluestarone]

9. Well, i hope i'm right that this is only for patients a request this crap.

I don't give a rats ass about a patient that is dumb enough to request it.

[Hope22]

14. But I suppose we could get a doc that believes it and prescribes it!

Imagine sick as a dog in ER having to validate what drug they are prescribing. Only in Ohio can they legislate for doctors to prescribe questionable RX and refuse to let them prescribe medically sound meds for women all in the same building! This is beyond words….

[bluestarone]

15. Oh, i agree but if a DR. prescibes that for me

I DON'T have to take it. i WILL figure something out

[Hope22]

17. Right! But a person could be too sick to know what is being given.

That’s where the problem comes. Been there as a patient and a caregiver…….

[bluestarone]

20. Won't argue that point.

Sad, but not good when they have all gonr CRAZY!

[Hope22]

41. True words! Nt

[LisaM]

16. But what about a minor whose parents request it?

Or an elderly person who's granted a medical Power of Attorney?

This seems really unsafe and, let's hope, will not hold up in the courts.

[bluestarone]

19. Again, i feel really bad for these type people (elderly or youths) BUT

Like i said if they are that dumb not much you can do about it! Just to make it clear, I'm 100% AGAINST this!!

[canuckledragger]

24. It means kids and others will be killed by stupid decisions

Made by people that aren't doctors.

[Blue_Tires]

10. Trumpism is a death cult

But as long as Trumpers are only killing themselves with raw milk, horse dewormer and bleach injections, more power to them

[Earthrise]

11. The stupid - it burns.

[Attilatheblond]

13. In some states, more than others

I wouldn't live in Ohio if someone gave me a mansion and agreed to pay all the property taxes on it.

[Attilatheblond]

12. Does this bit of Legislators Playing Doctors give FULL release of any liability if/when off label use causes problems?

Because if not, the doctors should pull up stakes and move to states where legislators can't practice medicine without license.

[VMA131Marine]

18. You said what I was thinking

If a patient dies or is injured by off-label use is their liability insurance going to cover them?
This will go one of two ways:
1/ The Ohio legislature will force the insurance companies to cover prescriber liability in these cases an insurance rates will explode or insurers will leave.
2/ The legislature will not provide liability waivers or force insurers to cover these situations and doctors will leave, quit or go to positions where they won’t be required to practice quack medicine.

[Attilatheblond]

34. And if I have a minor injury say a sprained ankle, instead of a traditional anti-imflamtory medicine,

can I legally force them to give me highly addictive narcotics? Pretty sure OxyContin is not the standard for minor boo-boos, but hey, if the Ohio Legislature says they have to give me what I want even if it is not something designated for a sprain...

We have to stop electing the dumbest people to our legislatures, but that would require voters to wise up I reckon.

[keithbvadu2]

55. Absolutely! Full release of liability for the hospital when hospital is forced to use that medicine.

The doctor? He is part of the decision. He has lability.

[nmmi]

21. Child protection services should be notified when this happens

Last edited Thu Dec 12, 2024, 11:39 PM - Edit history (1)

Under the bill, a prescriber can write a prescription for off-label use of drug as long as they have ... in the case of minors, their parent or guardian’s permission.

Didn't we just see a post yesterday where a woman who is given drugs by the hospital before giving birth might have her newborn taken away if that newborn tests positive for the drug?

We did -
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10143354520

Then certainly any fucked up parent/guardian who insists their child be given horse dewormer and malaria pills for Covid should have their child taken away

[nmmi]

25. I can't edit my post, I was going to remove the "smiley" button after "We did" as it might be misinterpreted

as me being gleeful at this which is definitely not what I meant.

I reported the problem with not being able to Edit to "DU Community Help" as EarlG asked us to if we find any problems with the new DU software upgrade.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/125627447

briefly: When I click "Options" (at the footer of my reply) and then "Edit this post", what showed up is the same thing one gets in LBN when one clicks on "Start A Discussion".

[Dock_Yard]

87. New editing button for post owners ... OPTIONS (at the bottom)

You may have missed the DU updates announcement the last couple days from EarlG (??)

[nmmi]

91. No, I didn't miss the announcements. But thanks.

From my post #25 above that you replied to -

I reported the problem with not being able to Edit to "DU Community Help" as EarlG asked us to if we find any problems with the new DU software upgrade.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/125627447

briefly: When I click "Options" (at the footer of my reply) and then "Edit this post", what showed up is the same thing one gets in LBN when one clicks on "Start A Discussion".

EarlG acknowledged the bug and fixed it --
https://www.democraticunderground.com/125627447

Subject lines of EarlG responses

FYI I can confirm that this is a bug -- I can replicate it
This should be fixed now

Yes, it works fine now.

[Attilatheblond]

22. What happens if a parent who doesn't want their kids insists on hospital administering bleach to said unwanted childern?

No abortion care when needed but poisoning can be required by law?

That the fu...

[Callie1979]

71. Bleach isnt a medication. Ivermectin is. Kind of a big difference.

May not cure them but it wouldn't KILL them. They'll be giving them other meds too & if they get better the parents will scream "See!"

[LisaL]

73. Ivermectin can have all kind of side effects.

And since it has no benefits in treating covid, the law says that doctors should be giving patients un-necessary medication that won't help them but might hurt them.
So be it.

[LisaL]

26. MAGATs want it. Let them get it.

Load them up.

[The Madcap]

32. Yep...I agree.

If they are stupid enough to take that stuff, then it's on them. After all, the RW's always warn about recreational drugs and do nothing to help people get off them (other than imprisonment or letting them die). Why should this be any different?

[LisaL]

57. Yep, and if MAGATs request to be injected with bleach,

or whatever other wacky treatment, let them go for it. Anyhow, looks like doctors will have to go for it in OH.

[Deminpenn]

96. OK by me, too

If they die because of their choice, it's just legal assisted suicide.

[Basso8vb]

27. Stupid fucks...

[JT45242]

28. Until insurance says no bueno...

These freaks will have to pull freight on an insurance denial.

[ShazzieB]

29. Republican lawmakers just LOVE practicing medicine without a license!

This particular case sounds like performative nonsense cooked up to please MAGA voters. The story is confusing, though. The headline implies that hospitals, pharmacists, etc. will be "forced" to administer these drugs to patients, but towards the end of the article, this appears:

There are some caveats to the proposed rule, however, that would enable a prescriber to say no to issuing a drug for off-label use.

Pharmacists, hospitals or inpatient facilities don’t have to issue drugs for off-label use if they have a “moral, ethical, or religious belief or conviction” that conflicts with dispensing a medication off label.

So it sounds like there are so many exceptions that the word "forced" doesn't necessarily apply. Still, this is another case of lawmakers trying to get in between doctors and their patients in way that seems really inappropriate to me.

I also wonder WHO is going to pay for these drugs if the bill passes? I could see insurance companies being very reluctant to cover drugs prescribed off label that have no evidence of effectiveness for the condition being treated.

On behalf of the people of Ohio, I hope this confusing and worthless bill dies a quick and merciful death in the Ohio House of Representatives

[JohnSJ]

30. Then the hospital needs to have them sign a wavier that any harm from it they will not be held liable. When the f**king

legislature starts assuming the role of a physician, they need to be held liable for any harm that results.

[Irish_Dem]

31. Politicians and patients forcing doctors to prescribe inappropriate medications.

Meds which do not have the research to back them up as legitimate treatments.

At the same time it is a crime to save the life of a dying woman with easy and ethical treatments.

The GOP will not be happy until no sane person wants to be a health care provider.

[C0RI0LANUS]

33. This is "social murder." In an occult manner, the GOP and the oligarchs somehow benefit from the death of the masses.

[paleotn]

38. No one's forcing people like us to take this ineffective "medications"

Anyone dumb enough to demand such things probably needs to be removed from the gene pool anyway. Certainly from the voter rolls. So I figure, yea, whatever. Knock yourselves out.

[C0RI0LANUS]

44. Hi paleotn

WWII deprived my parents of an education. They spoke several languages and my mother played the piano brilliantly when she wasn't cooking delicious meals. If a doctor or medical expert advised either of my parents to take a quack medication, they would have followed suit. My parents would then have been removed from the gene pool like Darwin demands and I wouldn't be here. My gene pool? Who knows and who cares. But I play four musical instruments, earned a MA degree, and spent 27 years in the USIC, despite my parent's background.

Sometimes we have to be a little more compassionate to our fellow man. And I mean no offense whatsoever to you, paleotn.

[Attilatheblond]

35. Any idiot who wants ivermectin for anything beyond it's actual purpose

can get their stupid asses to a farm & ranch supply store and buy some horse medicine.

[Karma13612]

92. I agree 98%

I’m a rosacea sufferer. It’s that facial condition where you look like you have bad acne along with a super bad sunburn that never goes away.

Unsightly and forces people into isolation. Including me when I have a relapse.
No cure, they still don’t know for sure what it is. Mild antibiotics for inflammation, topicals for the bumps and redness. Many topicals which seem to bring relief are prescription and can be as high as $700 for a tube ( that’s WITH my insurance- needless to say, I do without it). I have ordered my other topical online from Australia for $70 a tube versus $150 here in the states with insurance.

Turns out, Ivermectin (“horse paste” )has shown promise. Many sufferers are desperate and trying it. It apparently suppresses the mites on the face which are present on everyone, but which are the cause of irritation on some who suffer with rosacea.

It’s my next step because I’m tired of spending obscene amounts of money on doctors who are clueless and on Rx’s which don’t work or are just too expensive.

[Solly Mack]

36. Damn

[paleotn]

37. Darwin says go right ahead!

[EarlG]

40. Test

Please ignore this reply -- I'm just testing something re: the new button changes.

[AverageOldGuy]

42. A gravy train for lawyers

Docs and hospitals will require patients to sign a form acknowledging they are taking a medication that is useless and may harm them. Patients will die. Family will sue the doc and hospital. Doc and hospital will hide behind the patient consent document. Family will contest the document -- "S/He was pressured to sign that thing." And the only winners are the goddam lawyers. What do you bet the bulk of members of the legislature are lawyers?

Shakespeare was right:

"Don't worry with the health care executives,
The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers".

-- Henry VI, Part 2, Act IV, Scene 2.



Did you know that there are only two lawyer jokes? The rest are true stories.

[Raven123]

43. Honestly, this law reads to me as having a lot of loopholes

If I have it correct, the opportunities for refusal to dispense or administer are many - ethical, moral or disagreement on a scientific basis among them. My only question is whether the nursing staff have the same rights of refusal as pharmacists and physicians. Didn’t seem like it.


Seems like it is designed more to feed the MAGA cult a treat.

[samplegirl]

45. This is fucking insane!

[ananda]

47. Killing off their own constituents, I see.

Source:



No link yet.

[SWBTATTReg]

48. What's next, make them drink bleach or swallow a light to light up their insides?

Obviously, Ohio is full (too full if you ask me) of 'couch potato' doctors, all of whom have so called medical degrees of some sort, probably grabbed the degrees for a $1 each, at the last state fair/carnival held in Ohio.

I guess my advice is don't get sick or in an accident in Ohio.

[Diamond_Dog]

51. I propose

that every elected republican in the Ohio Statehouse be required to publicly be injected with Ivermectin to control brain rot.

[33taw]

52. Add a caveat that the lawmakers who vote to enact this can be held personally liable

when a patient dies.

[dlk]

53. Fascism attacks experts and their knowledge

Ohio Republicans are attacking medical experts in their March toward fascism.

[Stargleamer]

54. "Other patient-requested treatments"? - my guess is that don't include magic mushrooms

which have been clinically shown to help people, such as those with depression

[RainCaster]

56. Ivermectin but not a D & C

That's a fucked up state.

Who is liable when these dumbass medical instructions from the Internet go wrong? What responsibility does the hospital bear to keep the brilliant patient alive when s/he wants a flashlight suppository or chugs a bottle of bleach?

Shakes head

[NoMoreRepugs]

58. Go for it Deplorable morons, demand those bright lights get stuck up your

asses while your at it.

[LisaL]

59. And bleach injections.

Let them go for it.

[timms139]

60. Just when you think Republicans couldn't

become anymore ignorant they prove that theory wrong .

[PortTack]

61. And when they don't work...here come the law suits.

As a medical professional, retired myself there would be no way I would be part of that.

“Primum non nocere”

[Dem4life1970]

62. Fentanyl?

[William Gustafson]

64. So, my questions are...

Are patients going to be required to sign a waiver just in case the medicine kills them? Are Doctors going to be sued if it kills the patient even though, the patient requested it? Who is going to be responsible for when this goes south?.... What happen to Doctors oath to do no harm?.... How do Politicians become doctors with no medical training, making decisions they are not trained to make, not be held accountable?

I have been on this earth for almost 70 years, and I have never seen this level of incompetence, and stupidity that we are witnessing. At this rate, I am waiting on them getting involved with Cancer treatments, Colonoscopy's, and Emergency Room decisions.... we are screwed if this continues....

[quakerboy]

65. how.. how broad is this?

What if my child wants to take puberty blockers cause i read on the internet they are very helpful for preventing covid? Is the hospital now required to comply?

[struggle4progress]

66. Ohio's Medical Practitioner Conscience Clause

October 5, 2021

... a medical practitioner, health care institution, or health care payer has the freedom to decline to perform, participate in, or pay for any health care service which violates the practitioner's, institution's, or payer's conscience as informed by the moral, ethical, or religious beliefs or principles held by the practitioner, institution, or payer ...

https://www.ebglaw.com/insights/publications/ohios-medical-practitioner-conscience-clause-becomes-effective

"I can't prescribe ivermectin for viral infections: it offends my conscience"

[Old Crank]

69. When your whole party is anti science

You get the cream of the stupid crop writing laws.

[samplegirl]

70. My idiot Nextdoor neighbor Karen

told me this was the cure if they would of just prescribed it!
Made my head spin! So here it is Ohio is officially as stupid as Kentucky and other full on red states!

Ivermectin to the rescue!!!

Dumbest ass people in Ohio!!!!

[Callie1979]

72. Fine. Let 'em have it. And give it to them early

And sign the paperwork saying its "against medical advice"
The Ivermectin wont kill them but the covid might.

I know a woman taking it right now for "eye mites" which I never knew was a "thing". but apparently we almost ALL have them but some people have too many!!

[samplegirl]

89. Good grief

These people are cray!

[Prairie Gates]

74. "or in the case of minors, their parent or guardian's permission"

[Martin68]

75. Legislators overruling the decisions doctors make abut their patients' health. What could go wrong?

[republianmushroom]

76. And bleach ?

Culling the herd.

[NotASurfer]

77. Unless the same law requires the hospital/pharmacy to stock the stuff...

Seems pretty straightforward to say "don't have any available to fill the prescription. Hows about a tablespoon of an equally effective emetic compound that may also result in nausea, vomiting, and other gastric issues?"

If the side effects are equivalent, then it has to work?

[CanonRay]

78. It's a madhouse

To quote Planet of the Apes.

[harun]

79. Freedom

[Historic NY]

81. I'd like to see how they code that for insurance reimbursement

perhaps from the quackery dept.

Good new Tractor Supple has apple flavored

[Basso8vb]

82. Idiocracy is here.

Enjoy the ride.

[Macrophylla]

83. Make them sign a waver than....

Let the chips fall as they may.
I really don't have concern about stupid people and their stupid decisions when the only person in harms way is the stupid person.

[Dem4ever1978]

84. Ohio senate passes measure forcing hospitals to administer ivermectin

Only the morons that run the state of Ohio would approve this. The whole state is going to hell in a handbasket. Im ready to move far away from here but not sure where to go, definitely not south.

[City Lights]

85. Insanity is prevailing.

[Rebl2]

90. I think

if I were a doctor I would move to another state, preferably a blue state.

[City Lights]

93. I agree! nt

[enigmania]

94. These morons that

did their own research are going to feel real smart when they suffer from retinopathy, intestinal lesions, or some other highly undesirable side effect.

[LudwigPastorius]

95. Does this mean I can request a hand job for an ingrown toenail, and they have to comply?

Or, perhaps a stage four cancer patient can have a "doctor" treat them by beheading live chickens and reciting backwards from "The Art of the Deal"?