Putin says Russia is ready to compromise with Trump on Ukraine war

[HereForTheParty]

Source: Rueters

MOSCOW, Dec 19 (Reuters) - President Vladimir Putin said on Thursday that he was ready to compromise over Ukraine in possible talks with Donald Trump on ending the war and that Russian forces were moving towards achieving their primary goals on the battlefield.

Trump, a self-styled master of brokering agreements and author of the 1987 book "Trump: the Art of the Deal", has vowed to swiftly end the conflict, but has not yet given any details on how he might achieve that.

Putin, fielding questions on state TV during his annual question and answer session with Russians, told a reporter for a U.S. news channel that he was ready to meet Trump, whom he said he had not spoken to for years.

Asked what he might be able to offer Trump, Putin dismissed an assertion that Russia was in a weak position, saying that Russia had got much stronger since he ordered troops into Ukraine in 2022.

Read more: https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/putin-says-russia-is-getting-closer-achieving-primary-goals-ukraine-2024-12-19/

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[Dennis Donovan]

1. He says he hasn't spoken to Trump in years:

Putin, fielding questions on state TV during his annual question and answer session with Russians, told a reporter for a U.S. news channel that he was ready to meet Trump, whom he said he had not spoken to for years.

Hasn't Trump said he's spoken to Putin since the election? Or am I not remembering it correctly?

[Lulu KC]

8. WaPo headline 11/11

Trump talked to Putin, told Russian leader not to escalate in Ukraine
President-elect Donald Trump spoke with Russian President Vladimir Putin on Thursday and discussed the war in Ukraine, according to people familiar with the call.
Updated November 11, 2024

[Dennis Donovan]

11. Thanks! That's what I thought. n/t

[Roy Rolling]

38. A Gigantic Headline

Is Trump so condescending to his followers he thinks they don’t care if he’s lying for the 40,000th time?

He’d be right.

But it’s the job of the media to inform those dumbfucks Putin’s lying on the world stage. Like fat Nixon, the commercial media won’t stop him they’ll normalize him. Or bothsidesism the issue so a blood-thirsty tyrant is welcomed on-the-air equally with legitimate humans.

[unblock]

2. I want a really big raise at work. My daughter just got accepted to college. I'm ready to compromise with her.

[walkingman]

3. You could see this coming a mile away. "A Great Victory" probably meaning forced capitulation

by refusing to furnish any more weapons or aid under his administration.

[HereForTheParty]

5. Is it possible Ukraine continues to fight without the US, but with help from

other NATO countries? We're not the only ones in play here.

[PortTack]

14. Ain't happening! EU and EU NATO nations say they are ready to step up armaments needed for Ukraine, and

Send troops if needed. To continue the fight. They know what putin has in mind. He has to be thoroughly defeated or he’ll be back.

Irritating that the orange goon and putin act as if Ukraine and the EU have no say.

[forgotmylogin]

31. Donold: batting from third as usual. n/t

[ancianita]

4. PUTIN LIES. PUTIN IS NOW READY FOR TRUMP CAPITULATION TO "DO WHATEVER THE HELL HE WANTS."

NATO WILL NOT LET TRUMP TURN UKRAINE OVER TO PUTIN.

[surfered]

6. Oh, the lies that lying liars tell.

[Boomerproud]

12. Trump and Putin haven't spoken in years...

Did his head explode? Unbelievable that the stenographers didn't convulse with laughter.

[cstanleytech]

7. No shit as Trump's s Russian ASSet.

[maxsolomon]

9. Trump's about to find out he's an amateur.

I'm sure he'll find a way to brag about how far he threw Ukraine under the bus.

[lark]

10. 1 - Everything Pooty says is a lie.

2 - tsf is a traitor to our country and a tool of Pooty
3 - tsf hates Ukraine and it's leaders
4- A few lives might be saved for a few years but once Pooty no longer cares about using tsf, WW111 will be started by Russia taking Ukraine and moving on to invade Poland.
5 - NATO will move against Russia but tsf will have already ended our participation and he or President Musk will side with Russia.

[niyad]

13. uummmm,, pretty sure there is, or should be, one more person/country

in that little discussion.

[Mrsfiddlegirl]

16. Yup

That was my first thought.

[Botany]

15. Ike, FDR, Kennedy, Churchill, Reagan, and even Nixon are spinning in their graves.

Trump is gonna try to make Ukraine give up their land to make peace with a man who
is just as bad as Hitler.

[cab67]

17. There's only one acceptable deal.

Russia withdraws from all Ukrainian territory.

[Polybius]

49. And pays to rebuild it n/t

[LudwigPastorius]

18. You know, Ukrainians might just have something to say about a land-for-peace deal that gives away...

part of their country.

Namely, "Fuck the fuck off".

[WarGamer]

20. polling

https://news.gallup.com/poll/653495/half-ukrainians-quick-negotiated-end-war.aspx

[LudwigPastorius]

21. I guess they realize they can't continue without U.S. support, and that...

that support is going stop shortly after January 20 2025.

[Emrys]

25. The last time Wargamer posted that poll,

I pointed out that the poll had been posted on DU before, the headline was misleading, and asked him what percentage said they'd be willing to give up territory in such negotiations. He didn't reply, so here's my answer a few weeks ago:

Considerably fewer want to cede territory in exchange for a settlement

This is where Gallup's figures get a bit convoluted, even if we accept their methodology in a country at war.

For instance, if you read the small print, they've combined findings from polls in 2022 and 2024 to come up with their figures because their n would have been too small otherwise. And they also imply polling was done by mobile phone and that done in 2023 and 2024 excluded 10-12% of even that sample. I probably don't need to go into how that might skew results.

The poll claims 52% of Ukrainians want a negotiated peace "as soon as possible". What's "possible" is incredibly vague as a measure for a start, but we'll press on. I mean, what were respondents supposed to say in response to such a loaded simplistic question? "No, I don't want to see the war end as soon as possible." Nevertheless, a fair proportion apparently did just that.

They then claim that 52% of that 52% subgroup would be open to making "some territorial concessions", and admit they left the degree of concessions deliberately vague. But 81% of the smaller 38% subgroup who want Ukraine to carry on fighting apparently now still want all territory lost between 2014 and now to be regained, including Crimea.

Finally, even within the flawed premises of this polling, they find that Ukrainians would prefer negotiations to have the roles of European partners predominating rather than the US.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=19756427

[LudwigPastorius]

26. Interesting.

Thank you.

[Kaleva]

42. Thanks!

[Kaleva]

41. Only about 50% of those in favour of negotiation are willing to accept making some territorial concessions

Which would mean a majority oppose surrendering territory in exchange for peace

[Irish_Dem]

19. If I rob a bank, do I get to negotiate with the bank to keep most of the money?

[True Dough]

40. I might forgive you for robbing a bank

depending on the circumstances.

But I could NEVER forgive an evil dictator for slaughtering hundreds of thousands of innocent Ukrainians and hundreds of thousands of his own soldiers.

[Irish_Dem]

43. Yes the brutal rape and murder of women and children.

The total destruction of a peaceful independent country.

[Lasher]

22. Shouldn't Putin be negotiating with Zelenskyy instead of Trump?

[Dem4life1234]

23. It's Z's country, he should be negotiating with him

Not the orange maniac.

[oldmanlynn]

24. If trump kisses Putin ass then confirm what we knew about trump

[Emrys]

27. Keep Trump the hell away from any negotiations

I think Vice-President of the European Commission Kaja Kallas (who scares the crap out of the Russian warmongers) would be a good negotiating team member, which team must inevitably include one or more representatives from Ukraine.

Somebody from NATO itself might be too provocative, but it's worth bearing in mind since it's likely NATO and EU troops may be involved in policing whatever aftermath there might be from a settlement. The UN's been useless in this conflict, so I don't see much point in looking to them.

Turkey might have some constructive input, but maybe not politically acceptable to Russia right now given what's happening in the Middle East. Erdogan has indicated they want Ukraine's original boundaries respected, and it holds the key to entry to the Black Sea.

A role for Qatar might be an idea. It's respected as a negotiator and I believe has been involved in some successful POW swap negotiations between Russia and Ukraine.

[DJ Synikus Makisimus]

28. I remember a President who looked in Putin's eyes

and "saw a soul." That led a massive expansion of Russian oligarch's wealth by buying extracted commodities (oil, natural gas, minerals, etc.) at what were then Russian prices (below market) with US money. It enriched a lot of wealthy Americans as well as Russian oligarchs. That begs the question: what does the next fool want to happen? Remember, Trump isn't JUST a Russian asset, he's the asset/lackey of the ultra-wealthy in the U.S. too.

[Skittles]

29. "Trump, a self-styled master of brokering agreements"

COULD THEY KISS HIS FASCIST ASS ANY HARDER?

[Figarosmom]

30. No Russia hasnt gotten stronger

Nut they do have tsf who is ready to capitulate to him. Tsf will fold and say he thinks Putin is being fair si ce they were winning. ( we all know that's bot true. The reason putin is "ready" is because they are running out of options. ) turns out when NKoren soldiers run into real soldiers they get killed. NKorean soldiers are play soldiers. They have done nothing but play act their whole lives.

[Figarosmom]

36. I know

Right?

[DJ Synikus Makisimus]

35. For a clearer translation of Putin's intent, see

the ISW's Russian Offensive Campaign Report for 19 December 2024. That goes especially for the first four paragraphs, but there's more further down.
https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-december-19-2024

[Aussie105]

39. Putin's idea of a 'compromise' deal won't sit well with Ukraine.

Nor will giving up Ukrainian territory sit well with surrounding NATO countries.

They remember well the 'Domino Theory', the one idea the USA used to start the Vietnam War.

[Bengus81]

44. So Trump will also be the President of Ukraine too? Damn...I never knew that

BTW...that little school yard "fight" that fat Hitler and Puti have been having for the last month or so is BS propaganda. Their little bromance will resume on Jan 20th.

[IronLionZion]

45. This "compromise" is not likely to be good for Ukraine by any measure

[uncledad]

46. Author?

"author of the 1987 book "Trump: the Art of the Deal"

I'd wager Stump has never read a book much less written one? I honestly hope (for the sake of the people caught in the crossfire) that the war does come to an end. But if Putin is allowed to keep one square mile of stolen land he won't stop there, we've seen this movie before.

[neohippie]

47. These two act like Ukraine has no say

These two act they they are the only party in this conversation. They seem to think that Ukraine is going to be willing to go along with any deal they make, I don't think the Ukrainians are willing to give up the land or resources that Putin wants.

[BobTheSubgenius]

48. What would Putin be able to offer him?

Same thing as always - the opportunity to drop his pants and do exactly what Putin wants. He sees it as expanding the definition of "craven."

[ananda]

50. God I hate doublespeak!

The word "compromise" means give me a win.

[Oneear]

51. Donald J. Trump Elon Musk are Drinking from Putin's lead Cup

What could go wrong with Drinking from a Lead Cup? History Tells Us the Greeks Drank from Lead Cups

[JohnSJ]

52. F**k trump, why not "compromise" with zelinsky? Because Putin thinks he can push trump to sell Ukraine down the

river is why.