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muriel_volestrangler

(102,693 posts)
Fri Dec 20, 2024, 02:33 PM Dec 20

Five dead, more than 200 injured in car attack on German Christmas market

Last edited Sat Dec 21, 2024, 07:49 AM - Edit history (3)

Source: BBC

Five people have been killed, including a child, and more than 200 injured after a car drove into a crowd at a Christmas market in the eastern German city of Magdeburg, officials say.

Many people were critically injured, Reiner Haseloff, the premier of Saxony-Anhalt state, told reporters on Saturday. German media reported 41 critical injuries.

Haseloff told reporters on Friday that the suspect - who was arrested - was a 50-year-old Saudi citizen who arrived in Germany in 2006 and had worked as a doctor.

He said a preliminary investigation suggested the alleged attacker was acting as a lone wolf. He could not rule out further deaths due to the number of injured.

Read more: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdr0zx4e04no



Earlier version was:
Car driven into crowd at German Christmas market, reports say
A car has crashed into a crowd at a Christmas market in east Germany, local media report.
A least one person has been killed and several injured in the incident in Magdeburg, according to German public broadcaster MDR.
The suspected driver of the car has also been arrested, MDR said, citing a government spokesman.
Video on social media shows a number of people laying on the ground and emergency services in attendance.

And updates from 2 dead to 4, to 5.
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Five dead, more than 200 injured in car attack on German Christmas market (Original Post) muriel_volestrangler Dec 20 OP
Would all of our DU'ers resident in Germany please check in? niyad Dec 20 #1
Checking in... Pachamama Dec 20 #23
Glad to see you. Sounds like you had a lovely time. niyad Dec 20 #31
Glad to see you. niyad Dec 20 #32
Checking in DFW Dec 20 #25
Glad to see you. You travel so much . . we were concerned. niyad Dec 20 #33
I appreciate it, but with my luck DFW Saturday #34
Cars don't kill people, people kill people. generalbetrayus Dec 20 #2
Look at the AP headline Mosby Dec 20 #22
I saw that and wondered if the car was one of Elon's self-driving disasters. nt dflprincess Dec 20 #27
Journalistic integrity is dead. yardwork Saturday #36
Fwiw Laurelin Dec 20 #3
I haven't been to the one in Aachen DFW Dec 20 #26
The Aachen market is really small Laurelin Saturday #44
This message was self-deleted by its author DFW Dec 20 #29
Link to The Guardian live thread nitpicked Dec 20 #4
Locally, it looks as if "DW News" is coming up on WETA in a few minutes. mahatmakanejeeves Dec 20 #12
TV times for DW in the DC area nitpicked Dec 20 #14
And link to the BBC live thread nitpicked Dec 20 #5
short video of car racing through crowd and suspect........ riversedge Dec 20 #6
...." says all hospitals in the area are preparing for a "mass casualty event", riversedge Dec 20 #7
Here's a link to the report in the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung (FAZ) for anyone who can read German and ... xocetaceans Dec 20 #8
If an immigrant driving... moondust Dec 20 #9
Almost makes me wonder... yardwork Saturday #38
The RW AfD will gain in the snap elections and auslanders (even innocent ones) will be deported from Germany in 2025. C0RI0LANUS Dec 20 #10
The perp was a saudi. Mosby Dec 20 #11
A doctor. moondust Dec 20 #13
Yeah, worked nearby at a hospital. Mosby Dec 20 #15
50yo Dr who has been in Germany since 2006 from Saudi Arabia. EX500rider Dec 20 #16
Some randos on X say it was his car. Mosby Dec 20 #19
It went 400m through the crowd.....way before that you could throw it in N or hit the Ebrake etc..I'd think EX500rider Dec 20 #20
You would think. nt Mosby Dec 20 #21
Wisconsin had this happen also--man killed six driving fast through Christmas parade!!.... riversedge Dec 20 #17
Here's a link to the video of the arrest of the alleged attacker at gunpoint.... xocetaceans Dec 20 #18
Info about the perp Mosby Dec 20 #24
Seems like SOMEONE shouldve noticed THAT shit. Callie1979 Dec 20 #28
"I hold the German nation responsible for the killing of Socrates." he what? EX500rider Saturday #35
He decided that the West is the successor of the Greek state, and so he reckons the German state muriel_volestrangler Saturday #40
Serious mental health issues there. yardwork Saturday #39
Or maybe drug induced paranoid schizophrenia Mosby Saturday #41
It's not unknown for medical practitioners to get addicted. yardwork Saturday #42
Even if the perp is a nut case who claims to love the AfD DFW Dec 20 #30
CNN: Saudi Arabia warned Germany 3 times moondust Saturday #37
His past history shows he is a man who is severely mentally disturbed. RVN VET71 Saturday #43

Pachamama

(17,032 posts)
23. Checking in...
Fri Dec 20, 2024, 08:47 PM
Dec 20

I live in Hamburg and was just at our Christmas market this week...drank Glühwein and ate Flammkuchen and watched our Santa on his sled fly over the market.

Horrified at the news of this attack on citizens and very upset that this could happen again.

Praying for all the dead and injured and their families and friends.

DFW

(56,897 posts)
34. I appreciate it, but with my luck
Sat Dec 21, 2024, 03:37 AM
Saturday

I’ll probably end up getting run over by a truck in Provincetown, or some such. Nothing so poetic as being a terrorism victim in a scenic Christmas market.

Laurelin

(650 posts)
3. Fwiw
Fri Dec 20, 2024, 02:59 PM
Dec 20

I don't know any DUers who live in Magdeburg. I'm not sure but I don't think there's a big chance. I'm still going to the Christmas market in Düsseldorf next week. Went to Aachen two weeks back. I like Christmas markets 🎄

DFW

(56,897 posts)
26. I haven't been to the one in Aachen
Fri Dec 20, 2024, 09:24 PM
Dec 20

But ours in Düsseldorf is pretty famous. There is a constant stream of buses bringing in day visitors from other parts of Germany, as well as nearby Belgium and Holland.

Laurelin

(650 posts)
44. The Aachen market is really small
Sat Dec 21, 2024, 03:07 PM
Saturday

But Aachen is so beautiful and there's Printen everywhere. We go to the Christmas market in Düsseldorf almost every year. It's only a bit over an hour away and great. I didn't realize you were in Düsseldorf or I forgot. We're going to try the Dutch version this year too, in Valkensburg. One of our daughters is here with her husband so they wanted to compare. (We all know that Christmas in the Netherlands is not as lovely as Christmas in Germany, but they wanted to check it out.)

Response to Laurelin (Reply #3)

nitpicked

(866 posts)
4. Link to The Guardian live thread
Fri Dec 20, 2024, 03:22 PM
Dec 20
https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2024/dec/20/germany-christmas-market-madgeburg

(snip)
14:50
Breaking
We're getting some details about the number of possible casualties in this incident.

60 to 80 people may have been injured, according to the AFP news agency, citing a local rescue service.
(snip)

riversedge

(73,418 posts)
6. short video of car racing through crowd and suspect........
Fri Dec 20, 2024, 03:38 PM
Dec 20



So sad… vehicle ran throough the Christmas Market in Germany at unbelievable speeds… at least 11 killed and 60+ Injured

Photo of the suspect has been released and of course… he doesn’t look very German.

Prayers for everyone involved in this… such a tragedy.

















Germany: Car drove through a crowd, killing and injuring dozens at a Christmas festival in Magdeburg.

https://apnews.com/article/germany-magdeburg-christmas-market-6b2bcf305eb9f60f8d7273949dbba4c8

riversedge

(73,418 posts)
7. ...." says all hospitals in the area are preparing for a "mass casualty event",
Fri Dec 20, 2024, 03:41 PM
Dec 20




A spokesperson for the city of Magdeburg says all hospitals in the area are preparing for a "mass casualty event", according to Reuters news agency.

We previously reported that between 60 and 80 people may have been injured, according to local rescue authorities.

We still haven't had any official word on deaths or injuries but this is clearly an extremely serious incident.

xocetaceans

(3,988 posts)
8. Here's a link to the report in the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung (FAZ) for anyone who can read German and ...
Fri Dec 20, 2024, 03:52 PM
Dec 20

...a partial (rough) translation (it's underlined) with the original article partially posted. Google Translate or some other online translator like DeepL can provide the rest of the translation.


Anschlag auf Weihnachtsmarkt :
Mindestens ein Toter und 60 bis 80 Verletzte in Magdeburg
20.12.2024, 20:59


[Christmas Market Attack:
At least One Dead and 60 to 80 Injured in Magdeburg
12/20/2024 8:59 PM ]


Auto rast in Besuchermenge auf Weihnachtsmarkt ++ mutmaßlicher Täter stammt nach F.A.Z.-Informationen aus Saudi-Arabien ++ mindestens ein Toter ++ Dutzende Verletzte ++ Landesregierung spricht von Anschlag ++ verfolgen Sie die Ereignisse im Liveblog.

[Car raced into crowd of Christmas market visitors ++ alleged attacker from Saudi Arabia according to FAZ source information ++ at least 1 dead ++ dozens injured ++ officials believe this to be an attack ++ follow the course of the event in the Liveblog.]

Andreas Ross
Was wir bisher wissen:

In Magdeburg ist am Freitagabend ein Auto in eine Menschenmenge auf dem Weihnachtsmarkt gerast.

  • Die deutschen Sicherheitsbehörden gehen von einem Anschlag aus. Das Auto hat nach Polizeiangaben mindestens 400 Meter auf dem Weihnachtsmarkt zurückgelegt.

  • Bestätigt ist bisher ein Toter; nach unbestätigten Berichten dürfte die Zahl deutlich höher sein.

  • Sicherheitskreise bestätigten der F.A.Z., dass es 60 bis 80 Verletzte gebe.

  • Der Fahrer des Wagens wurde festgenommen. Nach F.A.Z.-Informationen stammt der mutmaßliche Täter aus Saudi-Arabien.

  • Die Polizei schließt nicht aus, dass es Mittäter gab, und sie hält es für möglich, dass im Tatfahrzeug ein Sprengsatz liegt.

    [The police have not excluded the possibility that there are accomplices and believe that an explosive may be in the attacker's car.]

...

https://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/inland/liveticker-anschlag-auf-magdeburger-weihnachtsmarkt-faz-110189011.html


moondust

(20,519 posts)
9. If an immigrant driving...
Fri Dec 20, 2024, 03:52 PM
Dec 20

it could potentially help AfD in coming elections.

Reports now say at least 11 killed. (Wrongly reported on BBC.)

yardwork

(64,776 posts)
38. Almost makes me wonder...
Sat Dec 21, 2024, 11:06 AM
Saturday

I wonder what motive a Saudi Arabian physician had to do this?

Edited to add that a post downthread explains it.

C0RI0LANUS

(1,887 posts)
10. The RW AfD will gain in the snap elections and auslanders (even innocent ones) will be deported from Germany in 2025.
Fri Dec 20, 2024, 03:57 PM
Dec 20


Elon Musk recently tweeted:

“Only the AfD can save Germany.”

AfD Neo-Nazis spent Election Day at Mar a Lago. The tall man on the left is a reputed porn star. (Image: Social media)

All of this terrorism, discord, and xenophobia in the West makes Putin's day. Elon Musk must be ecstatic that his tweet presciently reached an international audience before this callous and brutal attack at Christmas revelers in eastern Germany.

EX500rider

(11,552 posts)
16. 50yo Dr who has been in Germany since 2006 from Saudi Arabia.
Fri Dec 20, 2024, 04:33 PM
Dec 20

Weird he had been there that long and got radicalized, I don't think Germany even has any troops engaged in any Muslim countries.
Pissed at previous German support of Israel maybe?

Mosby

(17,647 posts)
19. Some randos on X say it was his car.
Fri Dec 20, 2024, 06:35 PM
Dec 20

Self driving gone bad or something.

It did look like some sort of sports car.

EX500rider

(11,552 posts)
20. It went 400m through the crowd.....way before that you could throw it in N or hit the Ebrake etc..I'd think
Fri Dec 20, 2024, 06:41 PM
Dec 20

xocetaceans

(3,988 posts)
18. Here's a link to the video of the arrest of the alleged attacker at gunpoint....
Fri Dec 20, 2024, 05:49 PM
Dec 20

The police instructions are (roughly) to lay there and not to move, but it is difficult to make out exactly what is being yelled:

Mosby

(17,647 posts)
24. Info about the perp
Fri Dec 20, 2024, 09:13 PM
Dec 20

According to initial findings, the man is a 50-year-old specialist in psychiatry and psychotherapy from Saudi Arabia. He was born in 1974.

He came to Germany in 2006 and lives in Bernburg, around 50 kilometers south of Magdeburg. According to information from WELT, a police operation took place at his home during the night.

According to information from security circles obtained by WELT, the alleged perpetrator is said to have worked as a doctor in the correctional facility in Bernburg. The correctional facility in Bernburg is a facility run by the state of Saxony-Anhalt for the rehabilitation and security of addicted criminals.

He has a permanent residence permit because he was recognized as a refugee in Germany in 2016.
"As things stand, it is a lone perpetrator, so there is no further danger for the city, as we currently believe, because we were able to arrest him and all investigations are now underway," said Haseloff.

In a 2019 interview with FAZ, the perpetrator described himself as the "most aggressive critic of Islam in history". He is an atheist and has applied for asylum in Germany because he fears persecution as an unbeliever and critic of Islam in his home country. The BBC and "Spiegel" reported similarly in 2019.

He had made it his mission to show other persecuted people in Saudi Arabia a way to asylum in Germany or Australia, for example

On X, the man appears as an ex-Muslim critic of Islam. On Friday evening, he posted several videos there in which he says in English: "I hold the German nation responsible for the killing of Socrates." And: "Another reason why I hold German citizens responsible for the persecution I experience in Germany is the story of a USB stick stolen from my mailbox." Later in the video, he says: "The government is criminal instead of protecting me. The police are the criminals. In this case, I hold the German nation and the German citizens responsible."

The man's profile text states in English: "Germany is hunting Saudi asylum seekers inside and outside Germany to destroy their lives." And: "Germany wants to Islamize Europe." His cover photo shows a gun.

In June of this year, the account posted in German: "In my experience, the German police are the real drivers of Islamism in Germany. My experience is 7 years in which the police, most recently in March 2024, used dirty tactics against me and other critics of Islam to destroy our anti-Islam activism. The left are crazy. We need AfD to protect the police from them."

An X user told WELT that she had reported posts by al-A. to the platform months ago; they were then deleted. In a chat with another user, a possible attack plan by the Arab was a topic. She did not go to the police, she told WELT, but it was "clear" that "he was becoming radicalized." Now she blames herself for not having acted.

She showed a tweet from December 2023 in which al-A. claimed that the German state was persecuting Saudi Arabian refugees to destroy their lives. He promised retaliation, writing: "I assure you that 100 percent revenge will come soon. Even if it costs me my life." And continued: "Germany will have to pay the price. A huge price." The post reads like a terror announcement, but was subsequently deleted. The X user WELT spoke to kept it.

In May 2024, he posted on X in English: "I seriously expect to die this year. Reason: I will ensure justice at any cost. And the German authorities are blocking all peaceful paths to justice." At the time, he wrote in Arabic about the "implementation" of an "operation."

In August 2024, he posted in Arabic: "I assure you: If Germany wants war, we will have it. If Germany wants to kill us, we will slaughter them, die or go to prison with pride. Because we have exhausted all peaceful means, we have only encountered more crimes by the police, state security, the public prosecutor's office, the judiciary and the interior ministry. Peace does them no good."

https://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/article254939378/Anschlag-auf-Weihnachtsmarkt-Arzt-Islamgegner-seit-2006-in-Deutschland-Das-wissen-wir-ueber-den-Attentaeter-von-Magdeburg.html



Eta - his X account:
https://x.com/drtalebjawad

EX500rider

(11,552 posts)
35. "I hold the German nation responsible for the killing of Socrates." he what?
Sat Dec 21, 2024, 10:08 AM
Saturday

The French painting of 1787 by Jacques-Louis David?




Or the actual 399 BC Athenian trial which I am pretty sure there were no proto-Germans at?

Crazy man says what?

Sounds like he was the opposite of most Middle Eastern terrorists, he was a devout Atheist it seems.

muriel_volestrangler

(102,693 posts)
40. He decided that the West is the successor of the Greek state, and so he reckons the German state
Sat Dec 21, 2024, 11:54 AM
Saturday

has inherited "responsibility" for killing Socrates. Which is damn weird (there's a lot more you'd normally blame western states for without having to go back 2500 years). He ranted at length about the German state pushing Islamism, which I reckon you do have to be at least as far right as AfD to believe.

Mosby

(17,647 posts)
41. Or maybe drug induced paranoid schizophrenia
Sat Dec 21, 2024, 12:02 PM
Saturday

Some Germans on social media seem to think he was addicted to something, which would be pretty ironic I suppose, since he treated drug addicted prisoners.

DFW

(56,897 posts)
30. Even if the perp is a nut case who claims to love the AfD
Fri Dec 20, 2024, 09:55 PM
Dec 20

The AfD will disavow him in public, and love him quietly for what he did for them.

moondust

(20,519 posts)
37. CNN: Saudi Arabia warned Germany 3 times
Sat Dec 21, 2024, 11:05 AM
Saturday
Saudi Arabia warned Germany three times about market attack suspect, source says
Saudi authorities warned their German counterparts about the suspected Magdeburg Christmas market attacker three times, a source with knowledge of the communications told CNN.

The first warning came in 2007 and was connected to concerns held by Saudi authorities that Taleb A. had expressed radical views of varying kinds.

Saudi Arabia considers him a fugitive and requested his extradition from Germany between 2007 and 2008, the source said, adding that German authorities refused, citing concerns for the man’s safety should he return.

Saudi authorities alleged that the man had harassed Saudis abroad who opposed his political views. They also noted that he had become a supporter of the far-right German party Alternative for Germany (AfD), and had developed radical anti-Islamic views, the source said.

RVN VET71

(2,796 posts)
43. His past history shows he is a man who is severely mentally disturbed.
Sat Dec 21, 2024, 01:34 PM
Saturday

I expect the media -- especially the Nazi media -- will twist the facts of the case to paint all Saudi refugees with the same brush as this very vicious, disturbed man.

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