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SpankMe

(3,328 posts)
Wed Oct 16, 2024, 11:06 AM Oct 2024

Chuck Todd: Will Biden cost Harris the election?

Analysis: The president isn't on the ballot. But his presidency and voters' harsh feelings about it are setting the mood for the election.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/chuck-todd-will-biden-cost-harris-election-rcna175421
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For a country that seems evenly divided over politics and polarized about many cultural issues, a durable majority does agree about one thing: They don’t like the Biden presidency. [Emphasis the OP's.]

And despite the machinations that resulted in President Joe Biden’s not being on the ballot this election season, his unpopularity is still the mood music of this election.

But while Biden isn’t on the ballot anymore, voters are certainly feeling his presence. If there’s one thing it’s clear they don’t want, it’s a candidate who reminds them of Biden.

By a 2-to-1 ratio (22% positive, 46% negative), voters view the word “Bidenomics” negatively, including the approximately one-fifth of all voters whom our pollsters deem “swing voters” — people who haven’t voted straight GOP or Democratic for the White House since 2016.


They tested the word "Bidenomics" for this story, which no Dem has invoked in a year. Todd keeps hammering on how unpopular Biden is. This is a hit piece. MSM "analysts" are continuously on the hunt for a new angle or perspective to report from, and they're analyzing from more and more ridiculous perspectives.

I get that the polling is in opposition to the reality and that people "feel" the economy isn't working for them, when, in fact, it is. THAT should be the angle that the analysts analyze: why is it that the US has the most thriving economy in the world...the lowest unemployment rate in a long time, the lowest inflation rate since forever, the highest GDP in a long time, and on and on.

The real question to analyze is: why are people's "feelings" in opposition to reality, and not "why people's 'feelings' might cost Harris the election". Where does the cynicism come from? Is it that we have it too good and that we have too much time on our hands to ruminate about less relevant things? Is it Republican mis-information?

For fuck's sake this kind of analysis and so-called "reporting" just infuriates me.
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Chuck Todd: Will Biden cost Harris the election? (Original Post) SpankMe Oct 2024 OP
Fuck off chuck - go away we can do it Oct 2024 #1
Please..... displacedvermoter Oct 2024 #2
what possible purpose could there be for this? PedroXimenez Oct 2024 #3
Hey, looka me! Looka me! Looka me, oligarch bosses and dobleremolque Oct 19 #35
Chuck Todd? There aren't ebnough facepalms for that tool. FSogol Oct 2024 #4
Chuck Turd is a corporate shill. Charlie Chapulin Oct 2024 #5
In an alternate reality maybe; where do these fucking shills for the rapist come up with it? onecaliberal Oct 2024 #6
If it's simply guilt by association, not much to be done at this point. I worry more about Israel or something else.... dutch777 Oct 2024 #7
CrispyQ: Does anyone care what the toad thinks? CrispyQ Oct 2024 #8
dems in disarray, yet again WhiteTara Oct 2024 #9
And DNC Chairman Jaime Harrison just smiles, and smiles, and SMILES as his fleet takes down the GOP jerks one by one. Attilatheblond Oct 19 #28
Chuck Todd's an unprintable, and has been for years Metaphorical Oct 2024 #10
I've predicted a lot of layoffs just prior to the election for some time Attilatheblond Oct 19 #32
The real question is kacekwl Oct 2024 #11
Fuck him and his media assassination of a good economy JT45242 Oct 2024 #12
How about this chuckle, Why won't trump's attempt to over turn an election, and incite an insurrection on our Capital JohnSJ Oct 2024 #13
Chuck Todd -misanthroptimist Oct 2024 #14
Does employing Chuck Todd harm NBC's credibility? Freethinker65 Oct 2024 #15
Messing with our heads Lulu KC Oct 2024 #16
Irrelevant hack says what? Nt Fiendish Thingy Oct 2024 #17
Bidenomics has been fine for me Americanme Oct 2024 #18
Chuck Todd has no place on a serious Democratic site. Paladin Oct 2024 #19
YES! He stupid and a waste of our breath and time to curse him.... CTyankee Oct 20 #43
Chuck Todd is useless. alarimer Oct 2024 #20
trashed this one lees1975 Oct 2024 #21
Whatever alarimer Oct 19 #22
seriously Chuck, STFU Skittles Oct 19 #23
Chuck Toad is shattered that Trump isn't running again Joe Biden. Aristus Oct 19 #24
Chuck, SHUT THE F UP! CTyankee Oct 19 #25
Chuck Toad can fuck right off. Ocelot II Oct 19 #26
Why does chock todd still have a job as a so-called "legitimate reporter". JohnSJ Oct 19 #27
JFC. My college dropout kid got a promotion and raise. Freethinker65 Oct 19 #29
I put JustAnotherGen Oct 19 #37
Fuck Chuck Todd - That's All I Have to Say n/t Indykatie Oct 19 #30
Ugh... Wtaf? FirstLight Oct 19 #31
Chuck Todd Chuck Todd is NBC News' chief political analyst and the former moderator of "Meet The Press." riversedge Oct 19 #33
STFU, Chuck Toad. Why not ask if declining mental acuity will cost trump the election... brush Oct 19 #34
Meh JustAnotherGen Oct 19 #36
Fuck you and fuck NBC ArkansasDemocrat1 Oct 19 #38
You know what else really changed news media is when they went to 24/7 news travelingthrulife Oct 20 #42
No, Chuck, no, it is on you media kansasobama Oct 19 #39
We do not have the "lowest inflation rate since forever" MichMan Oct 19 #40
President Biden is still cleaning up trump's mess RandiFan1290 Oct 20 #41

PedroXimenez

(643 posts)
3. what possible purpose could there be for this?
Wed Oct 16, 2024, 11:10 AM
Oct 2024

Chuck just trying to create drama for no reason?

dobleremolque

(933 posts)
35. Hey, looka me! Looka me! Looka me, oligarch bosses and
Sat Oct 19, 2024, 08:00 PM
Oct 19

network owners! Looka me! I came up with another utterly obtuse angle and contortion of logic and the facts, to portray the Democrats in a bad, doubtful light. Just like you want me to using your airtime!

Hey, boss .... there's a spot on your boots that I missed! Lemme just kneel down long enough to tongue-polish them. Again.

Hey, can I have a raise? Can I? Can I, hmmmm?

Your obedient servant ... I mean really obedient......

Chucky

 

onecaliberal

(36,594 posts)
6. In an alternate reality maybe; where do these fucking shills for the rapist come up with it?
Wed Oct 16, 2024, 11:13 AM
Oct 2024

dutch777

(3,715 posts)
7. If it's simply guilt by association, not much to be done at this point. I worry more about Israel or something else....
Wed Oct 16, 2024, 11:20 AM
Oct 2024

...external and not under any US control that can be portrayed as a result of Biden administration action or inaction twisting part of the electorate towards Trump or simply not voting Dem when we would otherwise count on that demographic. Clearly Biden has counseled the Israelis if they must strike Iran (before the election) to not hit nuclear sites (potentially provoking Iran to use nuclear weapons, if they have them, but before they lose the capability) and not hit oil facilities for the risk of spiking energy prices, inviting Iran to hit other Gulf states oil capacity or setting off significant worries about supplies with winter fast approaching.

CrispyQ

(38,740 posts)
8. CrispyQ: Does anyone care what the toad thinks?
Wed Oct 16, 2024, 11:20 AM
Oct 2024

Toad's concern, the waning enthusiasm on our side, & the constant "they're already working to steal the election" stories, are there to depress our side. The first two have no merit & the last one, about stealing the election, is only one side of the story.

The other side is they tried this last time & lost almost 100% of their cases, & we have Mark Elias & a whole team of attorneys already responding to lawsuits the right has already filed. Seriously, where the fuck is THAT story? You only hear it on MSNBC, maybe CNN. Our side isn't just sitting here bemoaning the fact that their side is up to no good. And as for those polls that we know they want to use to claim a stolen election, we have Simon Rosenberg with a slew of data about who is doing those polls & who is paying for who is doing those polls. Elias will use this data post-election.

Spread the enthusiasm! Get your friends & family out to vote.

WhiteTara

(30,262 posts)
9. dems in disarray, yet again
Wed Oct 16, 2024, 11:20 AM
Oct 2024

Let's see what is really happening...tsf melted down at a town hall and blew an interview? Cruz probably just lost his senate seat. Yeah, dems in disarray.

Attilatheblond

(4,843 posts)
28. And DNC Chairman Jaime Harrison just smiles, and smiles, and SMILES as his fleet takes down the GOP jerks one by one.
Sat Oct 19, 2024, 06:56 PM
Oct 19

Metaphorical

(2,357 posts)
10. Chuck Todd's an unprintable, and has been for years
Wed Oct 16, 2024, 11:20 AM
Oct 2024

However, for all that I think Biden has done some incredible things, right now you're seeing a lot of people getting hit with layoffs. I'm in Seattle, where Microsoft, Amazon, Google and other large tech firms are still cutting staff after a brutal year last year, and Boeing laying of 17,000 isn't helping matters any. All of my wife's siblings have one or both spouses unemployed, and I'm getting by on sporadic contract work. While none of it is Biden's fault, it's easy to lay the blame there if you're not aware of most of the undercurrents.

On the other hand, one of the things that I think that Harris has done is paint herself as not being Biden. She's defending his record (which is good) but she's also making it clear that she has different priorities and approaches

Also, the MSM is unusually quiet about Trump's record or lack thereof. It's easy to say "hey, the economy was great, then Covid hit", but Trump was in office for three years when Covid hit, and the economy was on the edge of being recessionary during most of it. So yes, the MSM definitely has its thumb on the scales.

Attilatheblond

(4,843 posts)
32. I've predicted a lot of layoffs just prior to the election for some time
Sat Oct 19, 2024, 07:01 PM
Oct 19

It's how Corporate Oligarchs do election interference without spending $ donating to half baked GOP candidates. In fact, the Corporate Oligarchs probably end up saving money by laying off workers. They get to sour people on the DEM administration and not have to shell out big bucks to pols who are the worst in eons.

kacekwl

(7,705 posts)
11. The real question is
Wed Oct 16, 2024, 11:22 AM
Oct 2024

will you Chuck ie and your cohorts win the election for trump ? That is your goal right.

JT45242

(3,025 posts)
12. Fuck him and his media assassination of a good economy
Wed Oct 16, 2024, 11:23 AM
Oct 2024

He and other asshats like him intentionally MADE people feel the economy was bad, when it was better than the rest of the industrialized world.

Blamed Biden personally for inflation even though every honest economist said the majority driver was corporate profiteering and price gouging (greedflation) and never called out the hypocrisy of record percentage profits and stock buy backs while corporations were whining about supply chain and post covid issues.

You created this LIE ...that is all you are Chuck, a fucking lying mouthpiece for republican and neonazi propaganda. You are no journalist. You are a paid lying shill, a salesman for fascism, with no spine or moral compass. Just a desire to make as much money as possible while pretending to be a journalist.

If I am honest, will Ferrell was more a journalist in anchor man than Chucky boy you have been in several decades.

Sit down and STFU, Chucky.

JohnSJ

(96,943 posts)
13. How about this chuckle, Why won't trump's attempt to over turn an election, and incite an insurrection on our Capital
Wed Oct 16, 2024, 11:26 AM
Oct 2024

cost republicans the election?

Answer:

Because jackasses like you are normalizing their bullshit.


Freethinker65

(11,167 posts)
15. Does employing Chuck Todd harm NBC's credibility?
Wed Oct 16, 2024, 11:56 AM
Oct 2024

Biden is currently more coherent and stable than Trump has been in years.

Biden is NOT running for a second term, Trump is.

Lulu KC

(5,394 posts)
16. Messing with our heads
Wed Oct 16, 2024, 11:56 AM
Oct 2024

Or trying. I'm building up a nice immunity to this kind of thing, slowly.

Americanme

(100 posts)
18. Bidenomics has been fine for me
Wed Oct 16, 2024, 12:06 PM
Oct 2024

Chuck Todd and the other news people asking why people view Bidenomics negatively should take a look in the mirror. They constantly do the same thing. They say the latest report is great news for the economy, but many don't feel optimistic, then they interview a trumper who drives his $70,000, 15mpg truck to the store, and blames Biden for the cost of eggs. People make unwise purchases, they live beyond their means, they have a rose-colored memory of the trump years, and our media airs their opinion with no question.

Paladin

(29,084 posts)
19. Chuck Todd has no place on a serious Democratic site.
Wed Oct 16, 2024, 02:29 PM
Oct 2024

Let him slip into the well-deserved obscurity he's earned.

alarimer

(16,687 posts)
20. Chuck Todd is useless.
Thu Oct 17, 2024, 05:53 PM
Oct 2024

Fuck the news media. First, Biden is old and senile (old, yes, but not senile), so they drive him out because he got a name wrong or something? While at the same time never pointing out Trump's obvious deterioration, whatever the actual cause of that maybe. And now, despite BIDEN NOT BEING THE NOMINEE, he is somehow going to lose the election.

If people feel the economyb is not working for them, despite their being at least some good news, well, perhaps, Chuckie, you should do your fucking job as a "journalist" and ask the hard questions. Like, why do people make so much less now compared to their bosses (CEO's etc)? Why are housing costs so high (could it be the scourge of private equity, among other causes)? Or whatever. Prices are high because corporations plead inflation yet make more millions than ever. None of these things are Biden's fault.

Whatever. Chuckie is not a journalist. He's a mouthpiece of the corporate media.

Aristus

(68,785 posts)
24. Chuck Toad is shattered that Trump isn't running again Joe Biden.
Sat Oct 19, 2024, 06:07 PM
Oct 19

The whole vile greasy gang of them are. So they’re flop-sweatingly trying to put Biden back in the race.

They keep forgetting that we’re the smart ones. We don’t fall for the bullshit. That’s for the brain-dead redneck zombies infesting the right wing in this country.

Sorry you felt you had to waste your bad breath, Chucky.

Freethinker65

(11,167 posts)
29. JFC. My college dropout kid got a promotion and raise.
Sat Oct 19, 2024, 06:57 PM
Oct 19

Our investments in the market have increased in value by over 30 % this year. Inflation has stabilized.

First it was BS about Biden's age. Now it's BS about the economy? Economists agree an unstable vindictive President like Trump, getting into hissy fit disagreements and threatening cutting funds/aid/US contracts and or increasing tariffs for kicks, would tank the economy for most Americans.

The only thing hurting Harris is the fact she is a female minority and there are still lots of racist and/or misogynistic American voters.

FirstLight

(14,363 posts)
31. Ugh... Wtaf?
Sat Oct 19, 2024, 07:00 PM
Oct 19

The only person that I've heard used "Biden-omics" is Despot Donnie...

Chuck Todd is a poser POS in my opinion.
met him when Clinton came to Tahoe and he was a dick... I was a local runner for ABC News in the Washington press pool and I specifically remember him taking the words that were spoken in the room of the event...and doing his report on the beach and using a completely different narrative/spin

That's when I knew as a journalist how fucked up our MSM really is 🤬

riversedge

(73,736 posts)
33. Chuck Todd Chuck Todd is NBC News' chief political analyst and the former moderator of "Meet The Press."
Sat Oct 19, 2024, 07:03 PM
Oct 19

I did not know he was hired for a new job.

brush

(58,315 posts)
34. STFU, Chuck Toad. Why not ask if declining mental acuity will cost trump the election...
Sat Oct 19, 2024, 07:03 PM
Oct 19

as he's in the race, not Joe Biden.

travelingthrulife

(1,128 posts)
42. You know what else really changed news media is when they went to 24/7 news
Sun Oct 20, 2024, 09:57 AM
Oct 20

programming. You used to get one hour of national/international news followed (usually) by 30 minutes of local news. This broadcast would repeat once or twice during the day.
When this type of 24/7 news programming started the manufacturing of news to fill the available time was relentless. Most days there is simply not enough 'new' news to fill 24 hours of broadcast time so they have to make it up, or distort every molehill into a mountain, keeping the political horse race going no matter what, endless breaking news, etc. Then add the subtext running below the talking head and the other bits of information being flashed at your face. Truly distopic.

kansasobama

(1,555 posts)
39. No, Chuck, no, it is on you media
Sat Oct 19, 2024, 08:56 PM
Oct 19

It is because media sanewashed and the fascism genie is out of the bottle. Media's treatment of Trump as just a candidate ans sexism shows we do not deserve to be an advanced nation but a fascist dictatorship if Trump wins. If Trump wins, nation cannot survive this electoral college shit. Nation will break.

RandiFan1290

(6,463 posts)
41. President Biden is still cleaning up trump's mess
Sun Oct 20, 2024, 04:33 AM
Oct 20

and he didn't need 0% interest rates to do it, either.

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