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nmmi

(209 posts)
Tue Dec 24, 2024, 05:35 AM Tuesday

"Most people my age just kind of scribble." Signatures were a sticking point for young California voters this year

LA Times, December 23, 2024 (no paywall with the MSN link)
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/most-people-my-age-just-kind-of-scribble-signatures-were-a-sticking-point-for-young-california-voters-this-year/ar-AA1wmuRu

The elections office told Johnson that his ballot signature didn't match another signature they had on file. Johnson wasn't sure which signature that was, but he knew it would have looked different: After printing his name for years, he perfected his cursive signature only a few months ago.

"Most people my age just kind of scribble," said Johnson, 20, who works as an administrative assistant at a medical imaging clinic.

In California, voters younger than 25 made up 10% of the November electorate, but had nearly 3 in 10 of the ballots set aside for signature issues, according to an analysis by the voter data firm Political Data Inc. ((so under 25 had 3 times the rate of signature issues compared to all ages -nmmi)) More than half of the state's ballots with signature issues were from voters younger than 35.

California generally verifies the identities of mail voters through their signatures. ((usually their signature on their voter registration paperwork or driver's license --nmmi))


And then how the parties, in the most competitive districts, help their voters with signature or other issues to "cure" their ballots so that they are counted. "Campaign volunteers and workers went door to door in the districts, trying to talk to voters in person and explaining how to complete the ballot paperwork, in some cases helping them navigate scanning in, printing out and returning the forms."

There is little effort made in non-competitive districts, or to help voters of other parties.

Everyone with signature issues is notified by election officials. But the "cure" rate is far higher when volunteers visit and help.

I found this very interesting --

"And we know that the way people sign at the little pad with their finger at the DMV is not how they really sign their names."

I just renewed my driver's license in Minnesota on Dec. 9. (The article is solely about California). I might have signed something with a little pad like this, e.g. acknowledging a convenience fee for using my credit card. But I signed some paper at the DMV the regular old-fashioned way, and that was, thankfully, the signature that ended up on my driver's license.

If I did sign anything digitally at the DMV (I just don't remember), it was certainly with a stylus. Same as at my dentist, when I update my health info, it's with a stylus. I have digitally signed some things in the past using my finger, and the result was awful.

In the 2026 midterms, Johnson said, he's going to vote in person — no signature required.
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Demovictory9

(33,968 posts)
1. Got new drivers license this year. Signed carefully with though of voter certification issues
Tue Dec 24, 2024, 05:54 AM
Tuesday

Signed digitally..deleted and signed again more carefully

Figarosmom

(3,306 posts)
2. Geez
Tue Dec 24, 2024, 06:04 AM
Tuesday

What did they think would happen when schools decided not to teach cursive any longer?

Somehow I think election officials should have thought of this

mopinko

(71,967 posts)
8. doesnt have to b cursive, just consistent. my sig on file is 50 yrs old.
Tue Dec 24, 2024, 08:04 AM
Tuesday

it’s a chicken scratch, usually. 1st initial and last name. but when i vote, i make sure to use my best penmanship, and my full name.

hlthe2b

(106,790 posts)
11. Don't get me started, mopinko. My hospital successfully defended an HR policy that REQUIRES
Tue Dec 24, 2024, 08:44 AM
Tuesday

staff-ALL staff -- to be able to read and write in legible cursive after an LPN nurse intern exchanged an oxygen tank with a very clear and legible "malfunctioning do not use" during a resuscitation code, but that was among multiple other incidents that had medical staff demanding change. NOW all staff, from the hospital janitorial services to the most senior physician specialist, must write a paragraph IN FRONT of the hiring supervisor in cursive and YES, the judge in this ultimate EEOC lawsuit DID find for the hospital policy. Yes, computers are everywhere, but there are many instances where hand-written messages or notes in records simply MUST be read and interpreted correctly.

The idiocy of our society on things like this is why we have autocracy/kleptocracy/theocracy and fascism taking over. IGNORANCE is not to be celebrated. Just leave it there.

SunSeeker

(54,064 posts)
4. My 21 year old has this problem.
Tue Dec 24, 2024, 06:18 AM
Tuesday

It seems like every time he signs his name his signature is different.

no_hypocrisy

(49,209 posts)
5. As a poll worker, I wholly endorse this opinion.
Tue Dec 24, 2024, 06:26 AM
Tuesday

Because it's a fact.

I watched at least 80% of the voters make a signature look like a Picasso sketch. I often had to call in another worker to guess if the signature today matched the signature from the last election.

nuxvomica

(13,017 posts)
6. I take my brother voting
Tue Dec 24, 2024, 06:40 AM
Tuesday

Even though he has a learning disability and never learned to read and write, he still signs his name. When he went to sign in for voting, we all patiently waited while he slowly wrote a tortured scrawl of block letters, with lines going every which way. Then they brought up his previous year's signature on the electronic device for comparison and it was identical! I was so proud of him! Of course, he voted straight Democratic without my prompting. He may have a learning disability but he's not stupid.

mucifer

(24,934 posts)
7. For official things like voter ID and drivers license I put a signature . But for signing a credit card at a
Tue Dec 24, 2024, 07:25 AM
Tuesday

restaurant or a store I scribble.

I don't want the world to have my signature.

3Hotdogs

(13,571 posts)
10. Most of the time, the "request for signature" at restaurants is only to point out the tip option.
Tue Dec 24, 2024, 08:33 AM
Tuesday

We don't have to sign credit receipts anymore. Does the merchant think there is some schmuk in the Asian subcontinent, looking over every signature on your credit receipt or on the bottom of the check you just wrote?

If I am asked to sign the receipt, I just make a big "X" on the bottom. I leave cash tips on the table.

"X" is no good. We need a signature."

Me: "X is a legal signature.

sinkingfeeling

(53,259 posts)
13. Yes, younger folks just scribble their signature. I had a lot of fun verifying signatures as an election judge in Nov.
Tue Dec 24, 2024, 10:28 AM
Tuesday

We tagged hundreds to have their latest signature re-scanned into the system. Most had a single identifiable letter and then a line with a couple of bumps.

lostnfound

(16,717 posts)
14. Yep, it's all the fault of "voters who couldn't be bothered to vote"
Tue Dec 24, 2024, 03:03 PM
Tuesday

not the sociopaths erecting needless barriers.

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