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OAITW r.2.0

(28,711 posts)
Fri Dec 27, 2024, 11:45 PM 20 hrs ago

I'm wondering...would it be better paying off my mortgage (80K) or keep the money in market investments?

Seems like this might be the smartest play, given I have no idea how Trump will wreck the economy.

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I'm wondering...would it be better paying off my mortgage (80K) or keep the money in market investments? (Original Post) OAITW r.2.0 20 hrs ago OP
I'd pay off the mortgage. If the economy goes to shit at least you'll own your house Ocelot II 20 hrs ago #1
That's what I am thinking too. And who knows how they will screw with SS. OAITW r.2.0 20 hrs ago #2
Are you familiar with the Turbineguy 20 hrs ago #3
I did, once, about 30 years ago. OAITW r.2.0 20 hrs ago #6
If you've got it... 2naSalit 20 hrs ago #4
I have 2 CD's that would about cover it. About 6 months from maturity. OAITW r.2.0 20 hrs ago #9
Hmm... 2naSalit 20 hrs ago #10
Only if you itemize your deductions. Many do not since they changed the law question everything 19 hrs ago #14
I thought that didn't matter now with the higher personal deduction, especially on 80k Shellback Squid 19 hrs ago #16
It comes down to the total annual interest cost plus annual property taxes IbogaProject 19 hrs ago #17
You get a tax deduction on the mortgage interest Felicita 18 hrs ago #21
Good advice, thanks. Maybe paying down chunks. over time, is the better way to go. OAITW r.2.0 18 hrs ago #23
The fed has signaled that inflation and interest rates are going up, IIRC. usonian 20 hrs ago #5
you'll give up $80K and lose a tax deduction. whats the interest rates for mortgage vs possible msongs 20 hrs ago #7
How much interest is in your payments? Renew Deal 20 hrs ago #8
Pay off the mortgage. greatauntoftriplets 20 hrs ago #11
What's the interest rate on the mortgage and how old is it? PSPS 20 hrs ago #12
I paid mine off, with $500 to spare in my account. alfredo 19 hrs ago #13
Well, I can tell you, 1st hand, LL Bean's sells quality product. OAITW r.2.0 18 hrs ago #24
your current interest rate on the mortgage? Shellback Squid 19 hrs ago #15
I think it's 3.5% OAITW r.2.0 19 hrs ago #18
CDs and short-term treasury bills/other bonds are currently over 4 percent carpetbagger 19 hrs ago #20
Debt free is great state of mind. rubbersole 19 hrs ago #19
I'm leaning that way, too. OAITW r.2.0 18 hrs ago #25
I paid mine off earlier this year. woven 18 hrs ago #22
Welcome aboard! OAITW r.2.0 18 hrs ago #27
No advice, just analysis here HariSeldon 18 hrs ago #26
Something to consider. Thanks for posting. OAITW r.2.0 18 hrs ago #28
We were in the same situation 25 years ago - Paid off the mortgage GoneOffShore 18 hrs ago #29
Pay off the mortgage FirefighterJo 16 hrs ago #30
This is good advice Renew Deal 12 hrs ago #32
I never regretted paying off my mortgage early. viva la 13 hrs ago #31
2008 - and the Maidoff led market collapse. I sat down with my wife. "Lets pay it off now because we don't know 3Hotdogs 11 hrs ago #33
How old are you? And are the investments mostly MontanaFarmer 11 hrs ago #34
Invest a small portion into Quantam computing and Beachnutt 11 hrs ago #35
I did it shortly before retiring - smartest thing I could have done under the circumstances. Ocelot II 10 hrs ago #36

Ocelot II

(121,523 posts)
1. I'd pay off the mortgage. If the economy goes to shit at least you'll own your house
Fri Dec 27, 2024, 11:49 PM
20 hrs ago

and you won't have to worry about making mortgage payments.

Turbineguy

(38,513 posts)
3. Are you familiar with the
Fri Dec 27, 2024, 11:55 PM
20 hrs ago

feeling of satisfaction that comes with paying off a mortgage? If not, you might enjoy it.

OAITW r.2.0

(28,711 posts)
6. I did, once, about 30 years ago.
Sat Dec 28, 2024, 12:10 AM
20 hrs ago

Then the house burned down. I took $50,000 out 5 years ago to re-roof, add solar back-up, paint, new deck railing, and improve the driveway. And I could wipe out the mortgage by draining a significant part of my current investments.

2naSalit

(93,562 posts)
4. If you've got it...
Fri Dec 27, 2024, 11:56 PM
20 hrs ago

I'd pay it off for the very reasons you state.

My buddy here had a windfall inheritance a few years ago, it included property in another state and was a suitable chunk of change. He paid off his mortgage and has been feeling good about it since he was able to do it two years before he retired. I think it was a wise decision.

I'd pay it off in a heartbeat if the funds were available and there was enough to live on afterward ...or even close.

OAITW r.2.0

(28,711 posts)
9. I have 2 CD's that would about cover it. About 6 months from maturity.
Sat Dec 28, 2024, 12:16 AM
20 hrs ago

But I lose tax benefits w/o a mortgage...so I'll be checking this out now.

IbogaProject

(3,801 posts)
17. It comes down to the total annual interest cost plus annual property taxes
Sat Dec 28, 2024, 01:14 AM
19 hrs ago

As there is a SALT cap on State Taxes and Property Taxes, I'm not sure about the interest part but it sort of depends on your tax bracket. A lot of the old middle class tax breaks were effectively eviscerated by the 2017 Trump Tax cuts. And they eliminated the deduct-ability of Home Equity Loan Interest too.

Felicita

(45 posts)
21. You get a tax deduction on the mortgage interest
Sat Dec 28, 2024, 02:12 AM
18 hrs ago

but that's because you're paying much more in interest to the mortgage companies/banks. In the long term, you pay way more $ if you keep your mortgage, tax deduction or not. On the other hand, if your interest rate is very low like 3%, it might be worth keeping the mortgage for a while longer so you don't deplete your savings, but pay it off more quickly if possible and keeping some savings.

usonian

(14,672 posts)
5. The fed has signaled that inflation and interest rates are going up, IIRC.
Sat Dec 28, 2024, 12:01 AM
20 hrs ago

Tariffs and $86 Billion for deportation planned, so that's logical.

Depends on your mortgage.

We may all lose purchasing power in one way or another, guessing more for frivolous things like food, electricity, medical care and prescription drugs as profits spin out of control.

But we'll have AI to help fill in unemployment claims.



msongs

(70,287 posts)
7. you'll give up $80K and lose a tax deduction. whats the interest rates for mortgage vs possible
Sat Dec 28, 2024, 12:12 AM
20 hrs ago

money markets? it will take a long time to earn the $80K back. at least if you have to sell the house u keep all the money for that. no tax on an owner occupied house if youve lived there long enough.

Renew Deal

(83,086 posts)
8. How much interest is in your payments?
Sat Dec 28, 2024, 12:14 AM
20 hrs ago

If it's almost nothing, the investment might be better.

If you have 30 years to go, pay the mortgage.

greatauntoftriplets

(177,018 posts)
11. Pay off the mortgage.
Sat Dec 28, 2024, 12:18 AM
20 hrs ago

I did it in 2012 and it's saved me thousands on interest payment. Gave me a lot more disposable cash every month. A friend did the same thing last year, and she's thrilled that she no longer has that monthly obligation.

PSPS

(14,199 posts)
12. What's the interest rate on the mortgage and how old is it?
Sat Dec 28, 2024, 12:33 AM
20 hrs ago

If it's a new mortgage and its rate is higher than what you're earning on the investment, pay off the mortgage (or at least as much as you can.) On the other hand, if your mortgage is over half paid off, most of the interest has already been paid and you may be better off leaving your money in your other interest-bearing investment(s.)

alfredo

(60,150 posts)
13. I paid mine off, with $500 to spare in my account.
Sat Dec 28, 2024, 12:51 AM
19 hrs ago

It took a great weight off my shoulders. It didn’t do anything to my credit rating. My wife had a better credit score, so she was able to get a card. She passed away, but my name was also on her card. So I am using her card even though she has passed on.so I’m stuck with an LL Bean card.

Could be worse.

OAITW r.2.0

(28,711 posts)
24. Well, I can tell you, 1st hand, LL Bean's sells quality product.
Sat Dec 28, 2024, 02:20 AM
18 hrs ago

Don't know anything about their credit cards, though...

carpetbagger

(4,892 posts)
20. CDs and short-term treasury bills/other bonds are currently over 4 percent
Sat Dec 28, 2024, 01:40 AM
19 hrs ago

You'll do better with relatively safe investments, my savings (54 yo retiring next year so needing to limit exposure as I'm going to chew through this until I get to pension age) is about 5/6 in bonds, CDs, and treasury funds right now. My mortgage is also low (2.25).

rubbersole

(8,720 posts)
19. Debt free is great state of mind.
Sat Dec 28, 2024, 01:39 AM
19 hrs ago

The road ahead isn't going to be normal. Just not having to worry about your financial situation might be worth anything you might gain by investing. Tangible assets seem as practical as they have been in decades.

woven

(3 posts)
22. I paid mine off earlier this year.
Sat Dec 28, 2024, 02:15 AM
18 hrs ago

I listened when Trump insisted he didn't need the votes, he already had all the votes he needed.

HariSeldon

(510 posts)
26. No advice, just analysis here
Sat Dec 28, 2024, 02:21 AM
18 hrs ago

If inflation spikes, holding a fixed-interest loan is like watching water evaporate in the desert: the loan still pays off according to it's predetermined schedule using nominal dollars, but each of those dollars gets easier and easier to earn via inflated prices (if you're still working).

High inflation usually causes the Fed to jack up interest rates, which makes business reluctant to invest in additional productive capacity. In short, most businesses will tank to some extent if Trump follows through on the plans he expressed in his campaign.

Commodities are a large part of how inflation is determined. I therefore expect commodities to roughly track inflation.

The fact that any of Trump's loans (I mean, he's called himself "The King of Debt&quot that are fixed-interest will effectively melt away if he drives up inflation pretty much tells me how he'd like inflation to behave.

GoneOffShore

(17,646 posts)
29. We were in the same situation 25 years ago - Paid off the mortgage
Sat Dec 28, 2024, 02:37 AM
18 hrs ago

When I asked our financial guy about doing it, he said that as we had the cash and if paying it off made us more comfortable, we should probably do it.
It was a good decision and the 50K it cost was money well spent. It reduced our monthly expenses at a time when our business was in a slump.

FirefighterJo

(360 posts)
30. Pay off the mortgage
Sat Dec 28, 2024, 03:46 AM
16 hrs ago

1. You subtract yourself from the volatility of the markets and workers troubles that are ahead of us.
2. You will feel relieved every day to be able to live debtfree.
3. If you play it wisely, every month you put the sum of your mortgage monthlies on your savings account and you will have one nice nest egg in no time to invest in anything you want (we invested in renewable and isolation, further reducing our monthly dues)

Just an idea

Renew Deal

(83,086 posts)
32. This is good advice
Sat Dec 28, 2024, 08:05 AM
12 hrs ago

Actively reinvesting the money via automatic transfers goes a long way. Also, something might come up in the future that might make the money to pay off the mortgage unavailable.

3Hotdogs

(13,579 posts)
33. 2008 - and the Maidoff led market collapse. I sat down with my wife. "Lets pay it off now because we don't know
Sat Dec 28, 2024, 08:49 AM
11 hrs ago

what is going to happen." It was the same type of economic turmoil and uncertainty.

The mortgage was about $140k. We still smile when we talk about "I'm glad we did it."

It is one less cloud in the back of our minds. I am now 82 and we are both retired with a defined benefit pensions and SS.

There ain't no Beemer in the driveway and we don't have a second house in Aspen but we sleep good at night.

MontanaFarmer

(747 posts)
34. How old are you? And are the investments mostly
Sat Dec 28, 2024, 09:01 AM
11 hrs ago

securities? At 3.5% I would keep the mortgage and keep the investments. If you're close to retirement age, what you're suggesting might make more sense.

Beachnutt

(8,184 posts)
35. Invest a small portion into Quantam computing and
Sat Dec 28, 2024, 09:41 AM
11 hrs ago

pay your mortgage off or down with the rest.

Ocelot II

(121,523 posts)
36. I did it shortly before retiring - smartest thing I could have done under the circumstances.
Sat Dec 28, 2024, 10:19 AM
10 hrs ago

I had to take early retirement because my job was being shipped to Atlanta, where I very much did not want to live. I had enough money from an inheritance to pay off the mortgage, which then made it possible for me to retire without worrying about that big debt. Depends on your circumstances but if you're near retirement it's a good move. Also, if you're over 65 you don't have to pay a capital gains tax when selling your mortgage-free house if you want or need to do that.

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