'You live in a bubble': Gabor Mat answers question from Israeli audience member

[Uncle Joe]

"Does the average Jew know anything about the people of Palestine?"
Physician and trauma expert Dr. Gabor Maté answered an Israeli audience member asking how she could 'have compassion' for the 'animals' involved in last year's 7 October attacks.

Dr. Maté first corrected her recollection of 7 October before arguing that history did not begin on October 7th and comparing the treatment of indigenous Palestinians with that of indigenous communities in Canada and the US, receiving multiple rounds of applause from the rest of the audience.

[tetedur]

1. Atrocity begats atrocity. Where does it stop?

What atrocity has to occur to make it stop?

[Gaugamela]

2. Gabor Mate is excellent as always!

[Clouds Passing]

3. Thank you!!! For posting this Uncle Joe! Gabor is wise, empathetic and compassionate!!!!!

[Mosby]

4. At 50 seconds in he says there were no rapes.

Did you miss that?

"No evidence of mass, deliberate rapes".

That's what he fucking said.

Too bad we don't have community notes like X.

[Uncle Joe]

6. That's a false statement which at odds with your own copy of his statement.

"No evidence of mass, deliberate rapes".

That's not the same thing as there were no rapes.

[Beastly Boy]

5. Denials and deflections.

There WERE Israeli babies burned by Hamas on October 7 (https://themedialine.org/top-stories/evidence-on-display-at-israels-forensic-pathology-center-confirms-hamas-atrocities/) and there WERE scores of women raped, gang raped, sexually mutilated and tortured (https://news.un.org/en/sites/news.un.org.en/files/atoms/files/Mission_report_of_SRSG_SVC_to_Israel-oWB_29Jan_14_feb_2024.pdf)

How can a man who outright denies these indisputable facts claim any legitimacy to further comment on the subject, let alone deflect from the subject with arguments unrelated to the question asked?

[Uncle Joe]

7. None of your graphic depictions are evidence of "babies in ovens" that's what he says is false.

Listen to the full exchange.

[Beastly Boy]

8. "Babies in the ovens"? Absolutely not! Babies burned together with theit mothers? No comment...

That's a pretty fine line you are treading, Uncle.

And you are not going to defend this guy for saying there is no overwhelming and undeniable evidence of mass rapes and other sexual violence on Oct. 7, are you?

Is this not sufficient to call this man a liar? What excuse can there be for him?

And these are not my graphic depictions. These are the graphic depictions of Israel’s National Center of Forensic Medicine who conducted the autopsies.

[Uncle Joe]

9. A "fine line?" what do you think has been happening in Gaza for the past year?

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Babies and children can be burned in a burning building, home or hospital, you don't have to put them in ovens for that to happen.

He never says there wasn't rape or sexual abuse that happened on October 7th

Read my post #6 on the subject and again listen to the entire video in the OP, all of it.

That doesn't change the fact that those pics are graphic; giving a vivid picture with explicit detail.

[Beastly Boy]

10. Are you saying that claiming babies were not burned in the ovens when they were burned otherwise is not

a fine line? Is the guy off the hook because Hamas didn't use ovens to burn babies?

Because this is the fine line I was referring to. What I think has been happening in Gaza for the past year has nothing to do with the fine line I alluded to.

And at the 50 second mark he clearly said "There is no evidence of mass deliberate rapes". Here, there is no fine line at all. It's a damn lie, all of it. There IS overwhelming evidence of mass deliberate rapes. Not just mass rapes, not just deliberate rapes, but mass deliberate rapes, and worse. The link is right there, in my post. So there is no way for you to parse his lies even to the extent of a fine line.

Are you denying he said what he said?

[Uncle Joe]

11. There is a major difference between there was no rape and there was no evidence of MASS rape

I'm also stating there is a major difference between a baby dying in a burning building and one deliberately being placed in an oven, the former may nor may not be deliberate, the latter most certainly is deliberate.

I'm also stating that bombing homes, hospitals, and schools indiscriminately show absolutely no regard for babies or children.

[Beastly Boy]

12. But... but... there WAS evidence of mass rapes! Deliberate mass rapes.

And what are the odds of several accidental burnings of of babies occurring simultaneously in the course of Hamas' killing and burning and raping spree in a single pre-planned attack in which they committed thousands of other documented atrocities? About the same as me being mauled by a polar bear and a grizzly bear on the same day I decide to take a swim across the English Channel (I can't swim). Just raising such ridiculous prospect in defense of a liar is laughable.

Do you also see a major difference between a baby dying in a building deliberately set on fire and one accidentally placed in an oven (who might possibly cause such inadvertent accident in the middle of a killing spree)?

Of course, you can state anything you want to state to deflect from the lying Hamas apologist in your clip, but I am not easily baited into changing the subject.

[Uncle Joe]

13. You have presented no actual evidence and Netanyahu just fired the man that was calling for an investigation

of October 7th committed by a terrorist group that was financed and supported by Netanyahu.

In the middle of a 13-months-long, two-theatre war in Gaza and Lebanon, and a spiralling military engagement with Iran, the prime minister of Israel saw fit to dismiss the defence minister, Yoav Gallant. In his place he appointed a career politician, one Israel Katz, who was the foreign minister – not that anyone in Israel noticed him then.

Katz has zero defence credentials, zero credibility with the military top brass, and zero experience in managing such a huge and complex system. That’s on-brand Netanyahu; under him, four defence ministers have been fired or resigned.

This is not an isolated event. Netanyahu has always surrounded himself with eminently underqualified sycophants who never challenge or threaten him. But now, after a series of military successes and high-profile assassinations – including the Hezbollah secretary general, Hassan Nasrallah; Hamas’s political chair, Ismail Haniyeh, and its leader, Yahya Sinwar – Netanyahu felt empowered to dismiss Gallant, a career major-general turned politician. This recklessness must be viewed in two contexts: Netanyahu’s state of mind and the timing of the dismissal.

(snip)

Gallant has also called for the establishment of a state commission of inquiry that would investigate and understand why the events of 7 October 2023 occurred. Netanyahu has never taken responsibility for the worst calamity in Israel’s history and refuses to be held accountable.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/nov/07/netanyahu-fired-defence-minister-gallant-israel

Why do you believe that Netanyahu is so afraid of an investigation of the worst terrorist attack in Israel's history? An objective observer would think he wants to get to the bottom of this.

[Beastly Boy]

14. You are right. The evidence was not mine to present.

It was the Forensic Pathology Center (https://themedialine.org/top-stories/evidence-on-display-at-israels-forensic-pathology-center-confirms-hamas-atrocities/) and the UN (https://news.un.org/en/sites/news.un.org.en/files/atoms/files/Mission_report_of_SRSG_SVC_to_Israel-oWB_29Jan_14_feb_2024.pdf) that presented the evidence. I merely reported it.

Yet, it is damning evidence nevertheless

It is damning evidence regardless of Netanyahu, or Gallant, or Katz, or any other names and circumstances you choose to throw around to obfuscate this simple fact:

It is evidence. And it implicates Gabor Mate. Remember who he is? He is the guy who's been telling lies in the video you posted.

I warned you, I am not easily baited into changing the subject.

[Uncle Joe]

15. No, it's not evidence of "babies in ovens."

You can't find any evidence, because there is none.

You do manage to disregard the overwhelming evidence of babies and children dying in Gaza's hospitals and schools as presented by the United Nations, international doctors, and aid agencies that have served there.

"That would be changing the subject."

[Beastly Boy]

16. Whatever you say, Uncle. You can't expect me to keep stating the obvoius, evidence included,

again and again, with no apparent effect, splitting hairs in the face of continued denials of the obvious.

Enjoy the rest of your day.

[Uncle Joe]

17. P.S Paragraph 10 from your own link

10. The absence of comprehensive forensic evidence limited the mission team’s ability to
draw definitive forensic conclusions in many instances. This was compounded by evidence being
spread among various agencies and limited organization of the material, and the fact that the
process of linking individuals with specific photos and videos is still ongoing. The inaccurate
and unreliable forensic interpretations by some non-professionals also represented a challenge.

https://news.un.org/en/sites/news.un.org.en/files/atoms/files/Mission_report_of_SRSG_SVC_to_Israel-oWB_29Jan_14_feb_2024.pdf

Of course an investigation of the October 7th attack as proposed by the now fired Gallant might shed light on this, but you don't want to be "baited into changing the subject."

[Beastly Boy]

18. oh please... didn't you read the rest of the report? Or its conclusion?

[Uncle Joe]

19. Yes, here is paragraph 20 they want an investigation as well, but can you post a single sentence or paragraph that

says conclusive evidence of "babies in ovens?"

I must missed it, if it's in there.

Again they did call for an investigation which Netanyahu doesn't want.

20. Key recommendations from the visit include: a) to continue to encourage the Government
of Israeli to grant, without further delay, access to the Office of the High Commissioner for
Human Rights and the Independent International Commission of Inquiry on the occupied
Palestinian Territory, including East Jerusalem and Israel, to carry-out fully-fledged
investigations into all alleged violations; b) to urge Hamas and other armed groups to
immediately and unconditionally release all individuals held in captivity and to ensure their
protection including from sexual violence; c) to call on all relevant and competent bodies,
national and international, to bring all perpetrators, regardless of rank or affiliation, to justice
based on individual, superior and command responsibility; d) to encourage the Government of
Israel to consider signing a framework of Cooperation with the Office of the SRSG-SVC to
strengthen capacity on justice and accountability for CRSV crimes as well as security sector
engagement, training, and oversight to prevent and address CRSV; e) to strengthen the capacity
of the United Nations to monitor and report on incidents, patterns and trends of CRSV in both
Israel and the occupied Palestinian Territory through the establishment of the Monitoring,
Analysis and Reporting Arrangements on CRSV (MARA); f) to encourage relevant actors to
uphold information integrity and ethical, trauma-informed representations of conflict-related
sexual violence, including by respecting and safeguarding the dignity and identity of
survivors/victims and witnesses of sexual violence; g) to urge all parties to the conflict to adopt a
humanitarian ceasefire, and to ensure that expertise on addressing conflict-related sexual
violence informs the design and implementation of all ceasefire and political agreements and that
the voices of women and affected communities are heard in all conflict resolution and

https://news.un.org/en/sites/news.un.org.en/files/atoms/files/Mission_report_of_SRSG_SVC_to_Israel-oWB_29Jan_14_feb_2024.pdf

[Uncle Joe]

20. P.S.S. Here is paragraph 86

86. The mission team was unable to establish the prevalence of sexual violence and
concludes that the overall magnitude, scope, and specific attribution of these violations would
require a fully-fledged investigation. A comprehensive investigation would enable the
information base to be expanded in locations which the mission team was not able to visit and to
build the required trust with survivors/victims of conflict-related sexual violence who may be
reluctant to come forward at this point.

https://news.un.org/en/sites/news.un.org.en/files/atoms/files/Mission_report_of_SRSG_SVC_to_Israel-oWB_29Jan_14_feb_2024.pdf