Women's Rights & Issues
Related: About this forumMisogyny: Origins of men's hatred of women
?si=sPIFQ-vxWRntE61NI just saw this on You Tube and I need to take a break since I am too pissed off for words. I feel like a rant is coming any minute now, I'd better close my door and windows so I don't offend my neighbors more than I already do.
Bigman Pigman .....I chose this DU name from Pink Floyd's album Animals. It sums up my views in a nutshell. Am I a misandrist?
Aussie105
(6,484 posts)A lot of males feel that the love and attention they received from their mother in their childhood is normal for women, and expect that later in life the women they know will be the same.
Turns out, the maternal instinct is hormonally driven, and wears off.
But yes - women are horrible people! Why can't they all be like my mother?
Guys - some of you need an attitude adjustment!
endless summer
(36 posts)My husband listened to this with me and agreed with what was said. Weve discussed this issue at length for some time now. I get livid whenever its brought up. I thought we would be in a much better place in the 21st century but my son told me that many of the men he works with are misogynists and that they are disgusting.
wryter2000
(47,606 posts)No this is unfair to men replies?
bluboid
(710 posts)he dives right into the deep end & shows us a possibility of healing that goes in a deeper direction than ever before. thank you for posting it.
BigmanPigman
(52,358 posts)I hope others will watch it and discuss the content as well.
bluboid
(710 posts)ihaveaquestion
(3,211 posts)I thought that most of Freud's ideas are in disrepute... but not with this guy obviously!
BlueSky3
(716 posts)if this psychologists contention that men are inferior to women in their psychological wiring isnt a bit of a cop-out. Are we to feel sorry, then, for those who are inclined to violence? My dh and I once entertained a man for lunch who told us that his father was a terrible misogynist and he, poor man, had inherited it from him. As if he expected us to soothe him for this.
I dont think this is the right explanation. The fact that men cant give life in the way that women can doesnt make them inferior, and doesnt make them insensate. I have no clue about the cure for misogyny, but I dont think this is the cause.
love_katz
(2,872 posts)He makes some valid points, but some perspective is missing.
Women are socialized to put caring for others above looking out for our own welfare. Men receive the opposite kind of socialization.
In many of the First Nations cultures of Turtle Island ( or America as it was dubbed by the invaders), the people are aware that women are the life givers and that unless strong training and guidelines are put into place, that men won't respect or appreciate that.
The Haudensaunee, who had a lot of interaction with our founding fathers say that the mistake that was made when our government was being formed, was that the women were excluded. In their society, women, the clan mothers, are in charge of picking out the kids who will be the future leaders. These women watch carefully to see which kids are most likely to help others, especially smaller children and the elders. Bullies are not honored nor chosen to lead.
A Lakota man that I knew, said that in the old days, although only men could speak in the counsel, only women could vote on who would represent them. And, the women had the power of life and death over their representatives. They would warn the man 3 times, but if he refused to change, they would go to the warrior society and have him killed. There was a lot more that he told me.
Please go listen to talks on YouTube by Orren Lyons of the Haudenosaune Confederacy. Also please listen to John Trudell on YouTube, especially the clip of a talk called The Christian World View. It will get you started on understanding what happened to the Tribes of Europe, and what kinds of atrocities were done to ' civilize ' us.
Patriarchal religions are a big part of the problem. Please read the book, The Chalice and The Blade by Rhiane Eisler. She also has a website that has books and classes on how to build a society based on partnership and equality.
We need a better model of masculinity and a more peaceful way of leadership. Power with, which is shared power, not power over, which is violence and injustice.
Abuse of our planet and her life support systems is a form of sexism and violence. What the patriarchy refuses to acknowledge is that Nature is the boss. She has a vastly longer time line than we do. If we fail to change, then humans will join the long line of extinct species and Earth will cleanse herself and go on without us.