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BigmanPigman

(52,358 posts)
Sat Nov 23, 2024, 06:19 PM Nov 23

Misogyny: Origins of men's hatred of women

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I just saw this on You Tube and I need to take a break since I am too pissed off for words. I feel like a rant is coming any minute now, I'd better close my door and windows so I don't offend my neighbors more than I already do.

Bigman Pigman .....I chose this DU name from Pink Floyd's album Animals. It sums up my views in a nutshell. Am I a misandrist?
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Misogyny: Origins of men's hatred of women (Original Post) BigmanPigman Nov 23 OP
Easily explained. Aussie105 Nov 23 #1
I'm pissed as well endless summer Nov 23 #2
What? wryter2000 Nov 23 #3
this is the most interesting discussion I've ever seen... bluboid Nov 23 #4
You're welcome. BigmanPigman Nov 23 #5
I hope so too. bluboid Nov 23 #6
Total Rot! ihaveaquestion Nov 24 #7
This video makes me wonder BlueSky3 Nov 24 #8
This is one of those peculiar arguments that's true, but not for the reasons alleged. love_katz Nov 25 #9

Aussie105

(6,484 posts)
1. Easily explained.
Sat Nov 23, 2024, 08:07 PM
Nov 23

A lot of males feel that the love and attention they received from their mother in their childhood is normal for women, and expect that later in life the women they know will be the same.

Turns out, the maternal instinct is hormonally driven, and wears off.

But yes - women are horrible people! Why can't they all be like my mother?

Guys - some of you need an attitude adjustment!

endless summer

(36 posts)
2. I'm pissed as well
Sat Nov 23, 2024, 08:19 PM
Nov 23

My husband listened to this with me and agreed with what was said. We’ve discussed this issue at length for some time now. I get livid whenever it’s brought up. I thought we would be in a much better place in the 21st century but my son told me that many of the men he works with are misogynists and that they are disgusting.

bluboid

(710 posts)
4. this is the most interesting discussion I've ever seen...
Sat Nov 23, 2024, 11:01 PM
Nov 23

he dives right into the deep end & shows us a possibility of healing that goes in a deeper direction than ever before. thank you for posting it.

ihaveaquestion

(3,211 posts)
7. Total Rot!
Sun Nov 24, 2024, 01:41 PM
Nov 24

I thought that most of Freud's ideas are in disrepute... but not with this guy obviously!

BlueSky3

(716 posts)
8. This video makes me wonder
Sun Nov 24, 2024, 02:58 PM
Nov 24

if this psychologist’s contention that “men are inferior to women in their psychological wiring” isn’t a bit of a cop-out. Are we to feel sorry, then, for those who are inclined to violence? My dh and I once entertained a man for lunch who told us that his father was a terrible misogynist and he, poor man, had “inherited” it from him. As if he expected us to soothe him for this.

I don’t think this is the right explanation. The fact that men can’t “give life” in the way that women can doesn’t make them inferior, and doesn’t make them insensate. I have no clue about the cure for misogyny, but I don’t think this is the cause.

love_katz

(2,872 posts)
9. This is one of those peculiar arguments that's true, but not for the reasons alleged.
Mon Nov 25, 2024, 12:21 PM
Nov 25

He makes some valid points, but some perspective is missing.

Women are socialized to put caring for others above looking out for our own welfare. Men receive the opposite kind of socialization.

In many of the First Nations cultures of Turtle Island ( or America as it was dubbed by the invaders), the people are aware that women are the life givers and that unless strong training and guidelines are put into place, that men won't respect or appreciate that.
The Haudensaunee, who had a lot of interaction with our founding fathers say that the mistake that was made when our government was being formed, was that the women were excluded. In their society, women, the clan mothers, are in charge of picking out the kids who will be the future leaders. These women watch carefully to see which kids are most likely to help others, especially smaller children and the elders. Bullies are not honored nor chosen to lead.
A Lakota man that I knew, said that in the old days, although only men could speak in the counsel, only women could vote on who would represent them. And, the women had the power of life and death over their representatives. They would warn the man 3 times, but if he refused to change, they would go to the warrior society and have him killed. There was a lot more that he told me.

Please go listen to talks on YouTube by Orren Lyons of the Haudenosaune Confederacy. Also please listen to John Trudell on YouTube, especially the clip of a talk called The Christian World View. It will get you started on understanding what happened to the Tribes of Europe, and what kinds of atrocities were done to ' civilize ' us.

Patriarchal religions are a big part of the problem. Please read the book, The Chalice and The Blade by Rhiane Eisler. She also has a website that has books and classes on how to build a society based on partnership and equality.

We need a better model of masculinity and a more peaceful way of leadership. Power with, which is shared power, not power over, which is violence and injustice.

Abuse of our planet and her life support systems is a form of sexism and violence. What the patriarchy refuses to acknowledge is that Nature is the boss. She has a vastly longer time line than we do. If we fail to change, then humans will join the long line of extinct species and Earth will cleanse herself and go on without us.

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