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Related: About this forumThe U.N. Sent 3 Foreign Women To The U.S. To Assess Gender Equality. They Were Horrified.
The delegates were appalled by the lack of gender equality in America. They found the U.S. to be lagging far behind international human rights standards in a number of areas, including its 23 percent gender pay gap, maternity leave, affordable child care and the treatment of female migrants in detention centers.
The most telling moment of the trip, the women told reporters on Friday, was when they visited an abortion clinic in Alabama and experienced the hostile political climate around women's reproductive rights.
"We were harassed. There were two vigilante men waiting to insult us," said Frances Raday, the delegate from the U.K. The men repeatedly shouted, "You're murdering children!" at them as soon as they neared the clinic, even though Raday said they are clearly past childbearing age.
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/566ef77de4b0e292150e92f0
MADem
(135,425 posts)If they sent them to San Francisco, Boston and Chicago, they might have come away with a different POV. Still, we've a ways to go.
We could use an ERA. We've only been waiting a century for one.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Parts of Oregon are rather conservative, but Portland and other cities in Oregon are wonderfully liberal. I go there several times a year.
I recommend that everyone who can do so visit Portland -- especially young people.
They have built a bridge across the Columbia River that is for pedestrians and bicycles only. It's just a wonderful city. Really, really wonderful.
People are friendly.
The city does not just recycle and compost certain things. It collects everything for its recycling and composting plants.
MADem
(135,425 posts)http://gizmodo.com/oregon-was-founded-as-a-racist-utopia-1539567040
Waddles Coffee Shop in Portland, Oregon was a popular restaurant in the 1950s for both locals and travelers alike. The drive-in catered to America's postwar obsession with car culture, allowing people to get coffee and a slice of pie without even leaving their vehicle. But if you happened to be black, the owners of Waddles implored you to keep on driving. The restaurant had a sign outside with a very clear message: "White Trade Only Please."
It's the kind of scene from the 1950s that's so hard for many Americans to imagine happening outside of the Jim Crow South. How could a progressive, northern city like Portland have allowed a restaurant to exclude non-white patrons? This had to be an anomaly, right? In reality it was far too common in Oregon, a state that was explicitly founded as a kind of white utopia.
America's history of racial discrimination is most commonly taught as a southern issue. That's certainly how I learned about it while going to Minnesota public schools in the 1980s and 90s. White people outside of the South seem to learn about the Civil War and civil rights movements from an incredibly safe (and often judgmental) distance.....Today, while 13 percent of Americans are black, just 2 percent of Oregon's population is black. This is not some accident of history. It's a product of oppressive laws and everyday actions that deliberately excluded non-white people from a fair shot at living a life without additional obstacles being put in their way.
Sign in the window of a Portland restaurant circa 1943 (Oregon Historical Society)
Read the whole thing--it'll curl your hair... and as we learned from #blm, plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Because you are talking about history.
Portland is extremely liberal.
Also as someone points out below, it's all relative. Portland is more liberal than other parts of the US. I will stand by that, and I live in California.
But I have lived in other more conservative states so I have something to compare Oregon to.
MADem
(135,425 posts)I was going to a funeral. I've also flown through there a time or two on business.
I don't think I saw any black people the whole time I was in that state. It's probably something that you might not notice, but if you are accustomed to living in diverse circumstances, it can be off-putting.
I have a similar but less visceral reaction when I go up to northern Maine. It's white up there, too, though there are native peoples in the area to add a little diversity. Also, they didn't found their communities by enshrining racist laws into their constitution. If you want to see a black person in Northern Maine, you can turn on channel 8 (the news anchor is black--one of very few in the entire county).
I'm just not comfortable in Oregon. I don't think I would want to live there.
It may be "progressive" appearing to some, but it's not for me.
pnwmom
(109,641 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)Everybody has a place and a space where they feel like they're settled in, at ease, familiar. Really lucky people--like me--have several of these places.
Oregon just isn't mine, though. I wouldn't ever want to live there.
That's fine--I've got plenty of places where I feel at home. And I wouldn't crowd out someone who likes the idea of that place!
pnwmom
(109,641 posts)Except with me it's several southern states that could never be comfortable. But it's not just the people -- it's the weather.
Give me rain and clouds over heat and humidity any day.
randys1
(16,286 posts)with a rooftop bar, we were surrounded by young, progressive people.
I think there is definitely a lacking of diversity in compared to many other similar places like San Francisco.
I dont think that is Portland's fault, it may just be a matter of time.
Much of Oregon is like you say though, very off putting and not progressive.
I dont know if you are a non white person, if so then your feeling is important to this discussion.
It is easy for me, a white guy, WHITE AND MALE, to feel comfy everywhere, almost
pnwmom
(109,641 posts)Not people of color.
MADem
(135,425 posts)The #blm activists in Portland who protested against the institutional racism of Portland and environs were women, after all.
Half the population of this earth is female. Pretty much half the 'ethnic' population is women, too.
My point was that those three areas do have issues with inequality--no matter its form.
pnwmom
(109,641 posts)You are right that they have very few African Americans, especially living in the rural areas.
But women constitute over half the population of Oregon (as they do everywhere else). It is not a particularly conservative place with regard to gender issues -- unlike Texas and Alabama.
And it is one of the least religious states in the U.S. -- a factor that influences gender discrimination in many places.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Oregon
http://www.oregonlive.com/mapes/index.ssf/2014/02/oregon_one_of_countrys_most_li.html
Oregon is identified as the fifth least religious state, based on the percentage of adults who describe themselves as very religious. All told, 31 percent of Oregonians describe themselves as very religious, 26 percent as moderately religious and 43 percent as non-religious.
Oregon has the fifth-highest percentage of adults who put themselves in the non-religious category. The state's secular culture has been long-standing, with many saying that as people moved west, they became less-attached to religious traditions. Nevada and Washington are also on the list of states with the highest percentages of non-religious adults and California is just a notch below.
MADem
(135,425 posts)I didn't see any "Well, AL and TX sucked, but OR was a breath of fresh air..." in the synopsis...!
And though the HUFFPO version doesn't say so, they DID focus on issues of concern to women of color:
- See more at: http://www.ushrnetwork.org/resources-media/ushrn-press-release-unwgdaw-visit#sthash.XZcntllx.dpuf
pnwmom
(109,641 posts)I won't be surprised if there turns out to be a bigger issue with migrant workers and Native Americans -- based on things I've read in the local media.
When I'm there what I notice most are the physical surroundings. I love tall evergreen trees, mountains, and waterways -- which Oregon has in abundance.
I dislike airports everywhere so that wouldn't mean much to me.
Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)Having walked through SF with many female friends, it's the same sort of thing you'd find in any other city.
And depending on what part of Oregon you're in it's similar to SF, same with Texas. (We're talking sexism, not racism in this instance)
MADem
(135,425 posts)according to the press release I found. There aren't many minority women in Oregon. They'd get a truer picture in other cities.
They aren't looking for catcalling men--they are looking for pay inequity, reproductive health services, access to medical care, that kind of thing.
Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)Sadly, SF is not the city it once was.
BlueJazz
(25,348 posts)..we were booked in a few towns there. Our first gig was in Portland for 2 weeks (forgot the club?) and I thought "Well, this is pretty nice and generally OK."
After that we played in some smaller towns on the coast and such. My thoughts changed to "What-the-hell, did we take a wrong turn and wind up in Hicksville, Alabama? The people were..um..thinking..oh..Backwards and I mean back-wards. I felt VERY uncomfortable especially when we took our breaks during the night. Mean, angry, drunk rednecks and their scared wives. Not fun at all.
Some of the worst times playing.
MADem
(135,425 posts)I relate to your anecdote!
southerncrone
(5,510 posts)But we like to tell ourselves & the world that we are a progressive nation. Other nations are catching on to that lie. We WERE a progressive nation at one point, but that all ended in 1981.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)msongs
(70,287 posts)JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Pay equity, family leave, universal healthcare and good child care are so important and yet the US is behind other countries in providing those for everyone. It's really sad.
Bernie speaks of these issues as family values. I agree with him on that.
southerncrone
(5,510 posts)This is why women should be throwing themselves at Bernie.
BlueMTexpat
(15,503 posts)I returned to the US in 1970 after living and working in Morocco for six years. I had experiences similar to these womens' in my own country even then. While I was fortunate never to have had the need or desire for an abortion, in those pre-Roe v Wade days, PP was under threat merely for dispensing birth control.
In many ways, Morocco's women - especially professional women (and there were indeed many women professionals there - even at the time) - had more advantages than women in the US then. For example, if I, a female secondary school teacher, got pregnant in the US, I would have to resign my post after the 5th month of pregnancy, with NO guarantee whatsoever that I would be rehired after the baby was born. Not only could a Moroccan counterpart keep her position, she was given paid leave for up to three months, all her maternity health care costs were covered, her husband had paternity leave benefits, and her job would be held open for her. In fact, she could even continue to have time off to breastfeed her child after she returned to work.
In Morocco even then, birth control methods were not only legal, but covered by health insurance. If a woman desired a pregnancy termination, she could obtain one legally and safely - although the overwhelming majority did not elect that option. The majority of those who did so opted for termination where their own health was concerned or when the fetus was already at risk in some way.
It wasn't until about 1973 that women in the US public school where I taught could wear pantsuits to school. Dresses or skirts were required unless there was a waiver for some special occasion.
We've come a long way since, but we still lag behind other countries in the industrialized world - and even some countries in the developing world - insofar as women's rights are concerned. Unfortunately, too many today who never experienced those days - or have managed selectively to forget them - do not understand how hard so many had to work to get us even where we are.
Many of those who were tireless campaigners for women's rights were not able to experience the fruits of their labor. But I, for one, will never forget them. Ever.
Lifelong Protester
(8,421 posts)marched and fought and spoke up a lot. Yet I do not want to forget those who went before me! I just cannot fathom why someone (especially a woman) would not vote after all it took to get the vote!
randys1
(16,286 posts)a Woman President.