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SunSeeker

(54,072 posts)
Wed Dec 16, 2015, 02:42 AM Dec 2015

The U.N. Sent 3 Foreign Women To The U.S. To Assess Gender Equality. They Were Horrified.

A delegation of human rights experts from Poland, the United Kingdom and Costa Rica spent 10 days this month touring the United States so they can prepare a report on the nation's overall treatment of women. The three women, who lead a United Nations working group on discrimination against women, visited Alabama, Texas and Oregon to evaluate a wide range of U.S. policies and attitudes, as well as school, health and prison systems. 

The delegates were appalled by the lack of gender equality in America. They found the U.S. to be lagging far behind international human rights standards in a number of areas, including its 23 percent gender pay gap, maternity leave, affordable child care and the treatment of female migrants in detention centers.

The most telling moment of the trip, the women told reporters on Friday, was when they visited an abortion clinic in Alabama and experienced the hostile political climate around women's reproductive rights. 

"We were harassed. There were two vigilante men waiting to insult us," said Frances Raday, the delegate from the U.K. The men repeatedly shouted, "You're murdering children!" at them as soon as they neared the clinic, even though Raday said they are clearly past childbearing age. 


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The U.N. Sent 3 Foreign Women To The U.S. To Assess Gender Equality. They Were Horrified. (Original Post) SunSeeker Dec 2015 OP
Well, those are three of the most intolerant bastions in our nation. MADem Dec 2015 #1
Oregon???? JDPriestly Dec 2015 #5
If you're black--hell yes Oregon. It was founded as a RACIST Utopia. MADem Dec 2015 #8
Have you been there? JDPriestly Dec 2015 #9
Yes--I have been to Astoria quite briefly and I got the hell out of there as quick as I could. MADem Dec 2015 #11
Astoria isn't the same as Portland, FWIW. It's much more of a small town place. n/t pnwmom Dec 2015 #13
I wasn't feeling all that great in the airport! MADem Dec 2015 #14
I know what you mean. pnwmom Dec 2015 #18
I will defend Portland. I recently was there and we stayed in a popular downtown hotel randys1 Dec 2015 #26
Except the purpose of this tour was to study the treatment of WOMEN. pnwmom Dec 2015 #12
Well, there are women who are people of color, so I think that might apply. MADem Dec 2015 #15
I don't think Oregon is a place that has a special problem with gender equality. pnwmom Dec 2015 #16
We will have to wait for their report, I guess, to learn what they found. MADem Dec 2015 #17
It will be interesting! pnwmom Dec 2015 #19
If they went to SF they would have faced pretty much the same stuff Lordquinton Dec 2015 #20
Well, I think they are looking for access to services for women, and focusing on minority women MADem Dec 2015 #21
That's pretty universal Lordquinton Dec 2015 #22
I understand exactly what you mean regarding Oregon. When I was in a "on the road" band,... BlueJazz Dec 2015 #23
It's just a feeling of comfort and ease that was missing. I felt like I didn't belong there. MADem Dec 2015 #24
I'm horrified, too. Every day. We're so Dark Ages here. southerncrone Dec 2015 #2
I agree that is true for the US, but less so in Portland, Oregon than in many other areas of the US. JDPriestly Dec 2015 #6
... Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2015 #3
sorta sad how women are willing to put up with this, being more than half the population nt msongs Dec 2015 #4
K&R. JDPriestly Dec 2015 #7
Me, too. They are all economic issues, as well. southerncrone Dec 2015 #29
I was actually surprised when BlueMTexpat Dec 2015 #10
Thank you, because I Lifelong Protester Dec 2015 #25
We must not be surprised. Also, we are WAY behind the times as to never having randys1 Dec 2015 #27
Indeed. nt SunSeeker Dec 2015 #28

MADem

(135,425 posts)
1. Well, those are three of the most intolerant bastions in our nation.
Wed Dec 16, 2015, 02:48 AM
Dec 2015

If they sent them to San Francisco, Boston and Chicago, they might have come away with a different POV. Still, we've a ways to go.

We could use an ERA. We've only been waiting a century for one.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
5. Oregon????
Wed Dec 16, 2015, 03:31 AM
Dec 2015

Parts of Oregon are rather conservative, but Portland and other cities in Oregon are wonderfully liberal. I go there several times a year.

I recommend that everyone who can do so visit Portland -- especially young people.

They have built a bridge across the Columbia River that is for pedestrians and bicycles only. It's just a wonderful city. Really, really wonderful.

People are friendly.

The city does not just recycle and compost certain things. It collects everything for its recycling and composting plants.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
8. If you're black--hell yes Oregon. It was founded as a RACIST Utopia.
Wed Dec 16, 2015, 03:53 AM
Dec 2015
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/01/22/oregon-racist_n_6523544.html

http://gizmodo.com/oregon-was-founded-as-a-racist-utopia-1539567040




When Oregon was granted statehood in 1859, it was the only state in the Union admitted with a constitution that forbade black people from living, working, or owning property there. It was illegal for black people even to move to the state until 1926. Oregon's founding is part of the forgotten history of racism in the American west.

Waddles Coffee Shop in Portland, Oregon was a popular restaurant in the 1950s for both locals and travelers alike. The drive-in catered to America's postwar obsession with car culture, allowing people to get coffee and a slice of pie without even leaving their vehicle. But if you happened to be black, the owners of Waddles implored you to keep on driving. The restaurant had a sign outside with a very clear message: "White Trade Only — Please."

It's the kind of scene from the 1950s that's so hard for many Americans to imagine happening outside of the Jim Crow South. How could a progressive, northern city like Portland have allowed a restaurant to exclude non-white patrons? This had to be an anomaly, right? In reality it was far too common in Oregon, a state that was explicitly founded as a kind of white utopia.

America's history of racial discrimination is most commonly taught as a southern issue. That's certainly how I learned about it while going to Minnesota public schools in the 1980s and 90s. White people outside of the South seem to learn about the Civil War and civil rights movements from an incredibly safe (and often judgmental) distance.....Today, while 13 percent of Americans are black, just 2 percent of Oregon's population is black. This is not some accident of history. It's a product of oppressive laws and everyday actions that deliberately excluded non-white people from a fair shot at living a life without additional obstacles being put in their way.



Sign in the window of a Portland restaurant circa 1943 (Oregon Historical Society)



Read the whole thing--it'll curl your hair... and as we learned from #blm, plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
9. Have you been there?
Wed Dec 16, 2015, 04:06 AM
Dec 2015

Because you are talking about history.

Portland is extremely liberal.

Also as someone points out below, it's all relative. Portland is more liberal than other parts of the US. I will stand by that, and I live in California.

But I have lived in other more conservative states so I have something to compare Oregon to.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
11. Yes--I have been to Astoria quite briefly and I got the hell out of there as quick as I could.
Wed Dec 16, 2015, 04:31 AM
Dec 2015

I was going to a funeral. I've also flown through there a time or two on business.

I don't think I saw any black people the whole time I was in that state. It's probably something that you might not notice, but if you are accustomed to living in diverse circumstances, it can be off-putting.

I have a similar but less visceral reaction when I go up to northern Maine. It's white up there, too, though there are native peoples in the area to add a little diversity. Also, they didn't found their communities by enshrining racist laws into their constitution. If you want to see a black person in Northern Maine, you can turn on channel 8 (the news anchor is black--one of very few in the entire county).

I'm just not comfortable in Oregon. I don't think I would want to live there.

It may be "progressive" appearing to some, but it's not for me.

pnwmom

(109,641 posts)
13. Astoria isn't the same as Portland, FWIW. It's much more of a small town place. n/t
Wed Dec 16, 2015, 04:38 AM
Dec 2015

MADem

(135,425 posts)
14. I wasn't feeling all that great in the airport!
Wed Dec 16, 2015, 04:53 AM
Dec 2015

Everybody has a place and a space where they feel like they're settled in, at ease, familiar. Really lucky people--like me--have several of these places.

Oregon just isn't mine, though. I wouldn't ever want to live there.

That's fine--I've got plenty of places where I feel at home. And I wouldn't crowd out someone who likes the idea of that place!

pnwmom

(109,641 posts)
18. I know what you mean.
Wed Dec 16, 2015, 05:23 AM
Dec 2015

Except with me it's several southern states that could never be comfortable. But it's not just the people -- it's the weather.

Give me rain and clouds over heat and humidity any day.

randys1

(16,286 posts)
26. I will defend Portland. I recently was there and we stayed in a popular downtown hotel
Wed Dec 16, 2015, 01:38 PM
Dec 2015

with a rooftop bar, we were surrounded by young, progressive people.

I think there is definitely a lacking of diversity in compared to many other similar places like San Francisco.

I dont think that is Portland's fault, it may just be a matter of time.

Much of Oregon is like you say though, very off putting and not progressive.

I dont know if you are a non white person, if so then your feeling is important to this discussion.

It is easy for me, a white guy, WHITE AND MALE, to feel comfy everywhere, almost

pnwmom

(109,641 posts)
12. Except the purpose of this tour was to study the treatment of WOMEN.
Wed Dec 16, 2015, 04:35 AM
Dec 2015

Not people of color.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
15. Well, there are women who are people of color, so I think that might apply.
Wed Dec 16, 2015, 04:56 AM
Dec 2015

The #blm activists in Portland who protested against the institutional racism of Portland and environs were women, after all.

Half the population of this earth is female. Pretty much half the 'ethnic' population is women, too.

My point was that those three areas do have issues with inequality--no matter its form.

pnwmom

(109,641 posts)
16. I don't think Oregon is a place that has a special problem with gender equality.
Wed Dec 16, 2015, 05:10 AM
Dec 2015

You are right that they have very few African Americans, especially living in the rural areas.

But women constitute over half the population of Oregon (as they do everywhere else). It is not a particularly conservative place with regard to gender issues -- unlike Texas and Alabama.

And it is one of the least religious states in the U.S. -- a factor that influences gender discrimination in many places.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Oregon

http://www.oregonlive.com/mapes/index.ssf/2014/02/oregon_one_of_countrys_most_li.html

Oregon is identified as the fifth least religious state, based on the percentage of adults who describe themselves as very religious. All told, 31 percent of Oregonians describe themselves as very religious, 26 percent as moderately religious and 43 percent as non-religious.

Oregon has the fifth-highest percentage of adults who put themselves in the non-religious category. The state's secular culture has been long-standing, with many saying that as people moved west, they became less-attached to religious traditions. Nevada and Washington are also on the list of states with the highest percentages of non-religious adults and California is just a notch below.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
17. We will have to wait for their report, I guess, to learn what they found.
Wed Dec 16, 2015, 05:21 AM
Dec 2015

I didn't see any "Well, AL and TX sucked, but OR was a breath of fresh air..." in the synopsis...!

And though the HUFFPO version doesn't say so, they DID focus on issues of concern to women of color:

The group will begin and conclude their trip in Washington, DC where they will be meeting with several US Government officials as well as members of civil society, academics, and groups of women. In addition to visiting Washington, DC, the group will also visit Texas, Alabama, and Oregon. The US Human Rights Network expects the Working Group to examine reproductive justice issues, lack of health services for migrant women, the issues facing rural Black women, as well as best practices in these respective locations. Women of color and other women who experience multiple forms of discrimination will also be a focus during their visit, as well as the four thematic priorities of the working group: 1) political and public life, 2) economic and social life, 3) family and cultural life, and 4) health and safety. At the conclusion of their visit, the group will hold a press conference—on Friday, December 11, at 1pm at the United Nations Information Center, Washington, DC,—where they will deliver their preliminary findings and recommendations. Their findings will later be presented to the UN Human Rights Council in June 2016.

- See more at: http://www.ushrnetwork.org/resources-media/ushrn-press-release-unwgdaw-visit#sthash.XZcntllx.dpuf


pnwmom

(109,641 posts)
19. It will be interesting!
Wed Dec 16, 2015, 05:27 AM
Dec 2015

I won't be surprised if there turns out to be a bigger issue with migrant workers and Native Americans -- based on things I've read in the local media.

When I'm there what I notice most are the physical surroundings. I love tall evergreen trees, mountains, and waterways -- which Oregon has in abundance.

I dislike airports everywhere so that wouldn't mean much to me.

Lordquinton

(7,886 posts)
20. If they went to SF they would have faced pretty much the same stuff
Wed Dec 16, 2015, 05:30 AM
Dec 2015

Having walked through SF with many female friends, it's the same sort of thing you'd find in any other city.

And depending on what part of Oregon you're in it's similar to SF, same with Texas. (We're talking sexism, not racism in this instance)

MADem

(135,425 posts)
21. Well, I think they are looking for access to services for women, and focusing on minority women
Wed Dec 16, 2015, 05:34 AM
Dec 2015

according to the press release I found. There aren't many minority women in Oregon. They'd get a truer picture in other cities.

They aren't looking for catcalling men--they are looking for pay inequity, reproductive health services, access to medical care, that kind of thing.

 

BlueJazz

(25,348 posts)
23. I understand exactly what you mean regarding Oregon. When I was in a "on the road" band,...
Wed Dec 16, 2015, 06:26 AM
Dec 2015

..we were booked in a few towns there. Our first gig was in Portland for 2 weeks (forgot the club?) and I thought "Well, this is pretty nice and generally OK."
After that we played in some smaller towns on the coast and such. My thoughts changed to "What-the-hell, did we take a wrong turn and wind up in Hicksville, Alabama? The people were..um..thinking..oh..Backwards and I mean back-wards. I felt VERY uncomfortable especially when we took our breaks during the night. Mean, angry, drunk rednecks and their scared wives. Not fun at all.

Some of the worst times playing.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
24. It's just a feeling of comfort and ease that was missing. I felt like I didn't belong there.
Wed Dec 16, 2015, 06:43 AM
Dec 2015

I relate to your anecdote!

southerncrone

(5,510 posts)
2. I'm horrified, too. Every day. We're so Dark Ages here.
Wed Dec 16, 2015, 02:52 AM
Dec 2015

But we like to tell ourselves & the world that we are a progressive nation. Other nations are catching on to that lie. We WERE a progressive nation at one point, but that all ended in 1981.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
6. I agree that is true for the US, but less so in Portland, Oregon than in many other areas of the US.
Wed Dec 16, 2015, 03:32 AM
Dec 2015

msongs

(70,287 posts)
4. sorta sad how women are willing to put up with this, being more than half the population nt
Wed Dec 16, 2015, 03:30 AM
Dec 2015

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
7. K&R.
Wed Dec 16, 2015, 03:37 AM
Dec 2015

Pay equity, family leave, universal healthcare and good child care are so important and yet the US is behind other countries in providing those for everyone. It's really sad.

Bernie speaks of these issues as family values. I agree with him on that.

southerncrone

(5,510 posts)
29. Me, too. They are all economic issues, as well.
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 12:00 AM
Dec 2015

This is why women should be throwing themselves at Bernie.

BlueMTexpat

(15,503 posts)
10. I was actually surprised when
Wed Dec 16, 2015, 04:28 AM
Dec 2015

I returned to the US in 1970 after living and working in Morocco for six years. I had experiences similar to these womens' in my own country even then. While I was fortunate never to have had the need or desire for an abortion, in those pre-Roe v Wade days, PP was under threat merely for dispensing birth control.

In many ways, Morocco's women - especially professional women (and there were indeed many women professionals there - even at the time) - had more advantages than women in the US then. For example, if I, a female secondary school teacher, got pregnant in the US, I would have to resign my post after the 5th month of pregnancy, with NO guarantee whatsoever that I would be rehired after the baby was born. Not only could a Moroccan counterpart keep her position, she was given paid leave for up to three months, all her maternity health care costs were covered, her husband had paternity leave benefits, and her job would be held open for her. In fact, she could even continue to have time off to breastfeed her child after she returned to work.

In Morocco even then, birth control methods were not only legal, but covered by health insurance. If a woman desired a pregnancy termination, she could obtain one legally and safely - although the overwhelming majority did not elect that option. The majority of those who did so opted for termination where their own health was concerned or when the fetus was already at risk in some way.

It wasn't until about 1973 that women in the US public school where I taught could wear pantsuits to school. Dresses or skirts were required unless there was a waiver for some special occasion.

We've come a long way since, but we still lag behind other countries in the industrialized world - and even some countries in the developing world - insofar as women's rights are concerned. Unfortunately, too many today who never experienced those days - or have managed selectively to forget them - do not understand how hard so many had to work to get us even where we are.

Many of those who were tireless campaigners for women's rights were not able to experience the fruits of their labor. But I, for one, will never forget them. Ever.

Lifelong Protester

(8,421 posts)
25. Thank you, because I
Wed Dec 16, 2015, 01:32 PM
Dec 2015

marched and fought and spoke up a lot. Yet I do not want to forget those who went before me! I just cannot fathom why someone (especially a woman) would not vote after all it took to get the vote!

randys1

(16,286 posts)
27. We must not be surprised. Also, we are WAY behind the times as to never having
Wed Dec 16, 2015, 01:42 PM
Dec 2015

a Woman President.

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