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In today's meeting, someone pointed out (Original Post) irisblue Sep 2022 OP
;-( elleng Sep 2022 #1
So true.. luvs2sing Sep 2022 #2
Alcohol is self medication,.. magicarpet Sep 2022 #3
I agree bif Oct 2022 #7
mmmm different dynamics Skittles Sep 2022 #4
So is smoking. 3Hotdogs Sep 2022 #5
Alcohol & Smoking are addictive. "IT IS VERY HARD TO STOP AN ADDICTION" Stuart G Oct 2022 #6
I started smoking at age 16 in the home of DH's parents. Backseat Driver Oct 2022 #9
Like the old Ozzy song "Suicide Solution" RevBrotherThomas Oct 2022 #8
One of the hardest parts of being sober, is being "GRATEFUL" Sometimes I am grateful for being alive Stuart G Oct 2022 #10
When I've led meetings, I've often said that if I have a disease, I'm grateful that it's alcoholism Rhiannon12866 Oct 2022 #11

luvs2sing

(2,234 posts)
2. So true..
Fri Sep 30, 2022, 03:59 PM
Sep 2022

I’ve had four friends kill themselves that way, the most recent just a couple weeks ago. One day at a time..

magicarpet

(17,003 posts)
3. Alcohol is self medication,..
Fri Sep 30, 2022, 04:11 PM
Sep 2022

.... often used to take the rough and sharp edges off of reality. The more limited ones copping mechanisms to deal with reality,.. the more abusive the use of alcohol often becomes.

If reality is not palatable - it can manifest itself in disturbing ways. You have to be comfortable within your own skin.

bif

(24,267 posts)
7. I agree
Sat Oct 1, 2022, 01:18 PM
Oct 2022

In the group I'm part of (SMART) it seems about 3/4 of the people were using alcohol to block out bad things that happened in their lives. For me, I just enjoyed the warm buzz of booze. A bit too much it seems. I had a pretty normal childhood and adulthood, so I was in it for the pure pleasure of it Glad I quit. It's been four years and I doubt I'l ever get buzzed again.

Skittles

(160,371 posts)
4. mmmm different dynamics
Fri Sep 30, 2022, 04:47 PM
Sep 2022

I don't think most alcoholics are wishing to end it all, I think they'd prefer to just end their disease.

Stuart G

(38,726 posts)
6. Alcohol & Smoking are addictive. "IT IS VERY HARD TO STOP AN ADDICTION"
Sat Oct 1, 2022, 08:45 AM
Oct 2022

Last edited Mon Oct 3, 2022, 03:24 PM - Edit history (1)

and...Addictions Kill!

another one: Gambling This one destroys in another way. oh.....the last one you will not like:::::::::::::::::::::::::

.... "Sitting too long at the computer for any reason is dangerous to your health".....at the link below:

https://www.cnn.com/2017/09/11/health/sitting-increases-risk-of-death-study/index.html

Backseat Driver

(4,639 posts)
9. I started smoking at age 16 in the home of DH's parents.
Wed Oct 12, 2022, 05:08 PM
Oct 2022

His childhood family was also dysfunctional; a married to dad mother and a female friend of his mother; it's a long story. Mom passed; female friend passed in the only home she'd known as an adult. Dad passed - very likely that second-hand smoke caused cancer. I married at 19 for love but also for the sake of my younger sibs because I thought my Dad was dying of asthma due to air pollution and Mom didn't even have a GED. I thought we were already poor and skipped the usual college experience. Oh, the irony! I once quit smoking, not cleaned, of nicotine for 3 days w/hypnosis; once again long after for 3 years post a hospital observation and another for a minor cardiovascular issue; but nothing really improved in my life during those times that we had a mortgage on 3 homes, so I was grateful I wasn't hungry, dirty, and didn't lack a place to stay or the loss of my middle-age kids' love and care. I've sold and lost the last of those homes, financial stability, and a lot of my faith. I guess I wasn't a brave enough adult? Knowing full well it was slow suicide, I returned to providing the self-abuse of cigarettes. It's my perception that, at my age now, nothing better is coming to improve my slippery slope to the end of constant loss, isolation, or the humiliation that I allowed all of it because I had, you know, made promises. My family betrayed me and I paid the consequences of going no contact when requested by my mother that she never wanted to speak to me again. I told her to have a nice life and hung up. Dad never called to verify they were "on the same page." I'll never know if the Alzheimers was already taking it's toll. My brother, never left home--never even had his own phone number. No one ever requested help for anything in caring for any of them. DH's childhood adults, all 3, were deceased--all together from that first smoking household given up for medical bills and depression-era fear of investments and education. Not a chance I'll ever get any support from the remaining sister; she did not even tell me when my brother was interred because "it was quick" but she's got a severely disabled child and control of all the assets of the deceased. She once told me that my kids deserved literally nothing because they were healthy. My DH stole my core identity as his helpmate and the wife who bore his children. We lost jobs, homes, and friends; I lost trust in humanity and faith that God loved me. I'm just not a memorable human with few, now obsolete skills, and little if any financial resources; most things never were for better but hey, you know, I promised stuff. Who would even acknowledge they know me as a "worthy" person? Counselors over the years were kind - an adjustment disorder (into socioeconomic lower class) they said. They referred me, lied to me, and abandoned me as a patient. I'm terrified of what remains of my lifetime and confess to using my addiction as slow suicide. There's likely no time left to recover my lost self - I guess I'm grateful I'm still physically fairly healthy, breathing, (no Covid to date) and voting, but slowing down, and I need support and help going farther forward on this journey of life! MAGAts, Christofascists, nor the uber-rich will ever provide what we'll need to recover from this trauma. We're so unlikely to "fake it till we make it." Mid-terms: BLUE down the line and the patience and hope I wake up each new day of wonder, mostly "why us?"

RevBrotherThomas

(850 posts)
8. Like the old Ozzy song "Suicide Solution"
Wed Oct 5, 2022, 10:29 AM
Oct 2022
Wine is fine, but whiskey's quicker
Suicide is slow with liquor
Take a bottle, drown your sorrows
Then it floods away tomorrow

Stuart G

(38,726 posts)
10. One of the hardest parts of being sober, is being "GRATEFUL" Sometimes I am grateful for being alive
Wed Oct 12, 2022, 09:38 PM
Oct 2022

I guess it is a matter of perspective. I have had a number of surgeries. Most of the common ones and life
threatening. I am grateful for each day. Now, sometimes that is very difficult as I worry about this and that.
...Surviving the surgeries, and addictions is a miracle.....So sometimes, I feel guilty that I am saved & alive..

...Another perspective is..."Why not me?"

...Just enjoy each day. Whatever the reason...just try to enjoy each day if you can. Being happy is difficult some
times. But it is better than the opposite. Ain't it?

Rhiannon12866

(224,434 posts)
11. When I've led meetings, I've often said that if I have a disease, I'm grateful that it's alcoholism
Thu Oct 20, 2022, 04:18 AM
Oct 2022

Since it doesn't have to kill me as long as I don't drink. And that is something to be grateful for.

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