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Adsos Letter

(19,459 posts)
Wed Feb 13, 2013, 12:57 AM Feb 2013

So...I've got this small guest bathroom...

It currently has a 20 year old sheet linoleum floor; it's tightly bonded to the concrete slab underneath, but is really starting to look ugly.

Do you think I would have success laying down a engineered wood floor on top of it, either a click-lock or floating type? I'm thinking that the old lino might double as a vapor barrier and resilient underlayment.

I suppose best practice would say to remove the old lino and put down a regular vapor barrier and underlayment, but getting the old lino up is a chore. The room is only 5'x8' and, minus the tub space and vanity, the floor area is smaller yet; still...getting old linoleum up can be a real chore.

It's a small area, and I think the flooring cost would be negligible.

Think it's worth a shot?

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So...I've got this small guest bathroom... (Original Post) Adsos Letter Feb 2013 OP
No. Go to a hardware store and pick their brains on how to get it up Warpy Feb 2013 #1
I hear you about the water and the tile. Adsos Letter Feb 2013 #2
I don't think it will perform well in a BATHROOM Warpy Feb 2013 #3
Ah, ok. Adsos Letter Feb 2013 #4
beware of asbestos. jonthebru Feb 2013 #5
Thanks for the heads up. Adsos Letter Feb 2013 #6
By "engineered wood" do you mean Pergo, or something like that? MADem Feb 2013 #7
A 5-ply wood core with a hardwood veneer, prefinished. Adsos Letter Feb 2013 #9
While you're out shopping, have a peek at the rubber "wood" floors. MADem Feb 2013 #11
Stink wouldn't really be a problem if it dissipates as quickly as that. Adsos Letter Feb 2013 #14
Is it sheet vinyl or sheet linoleum? LiberalEsto Feb 2013 #8
You're correct, it is vinyl, not real linoleum. Adsos Letter Feb 2013 #10
You might start a thread over here: Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2013 #12
Thanks for the link. Adsos Letter Feb 2013 #13
I was thinking about how many vinyl floors I floored over ! Wash. state Desk Jet Feb 2013 #15
Thanks! You are right, it's only about 30 sq. ft. Adsos Letter Feb 2013 #16
Finished that project Adsos Letter Mar 2013 #17
nice! Kali Mar 2013 #18
Thanks, Kali! Adsos Letter Mar 2013 #19
Nice job! Hassin Bin Sober Apr 2013 #20
Thanks! Adsos Letter Apr 2013 #22
A++++.....looks fantastic! Well done, you! nt MADem Apr 2013 #21
Thanks! I forgot to mention that the cabinet was originally oak. Adsos Letter Apr 2013 #23
It looks stunning--like a brand new cabinet. And the construction of even a MADem Apr 2013 #24
Really nice job ! Hula Popper Apr 2013 #25

Warpy

(113,131 posts)
1. No. Go to a hardware store and pick their brains on how to get it up
Wed Feb 13, 2013, 01:01 AM
Feb 2013

Chances are a heat gun and scraper will do it.

I don't think you want an engineered wood floor in a bathroom, in any case. Water splashes cause it to spot and discolor.

Tile of some description would be your best bet, it would last forever with the right surface prep.

Adsos Letter

(19,459 posts)
2. I hear you about the water and the tile.
Wed Feb 13, 2013, 01:07 AM
Feb 2013

Curious as to why you think the engineered wood wouldn't perform well over the lino.

My gut wants to agree with you on taking it up.

Warpy

(113,131 posts)
3. I don't think it will perform well in a BATHROOM
Wed Feb 13, 2013, 01:11 AM
Feb 2013

unless you want to scurry in there with a cloth and wipe up any water spots as soon as anyone vacates it.

I'm going by friends who have laid it in areas near water (and pets who are sloppy drinkers) and have had parts of it fail due to spotting and discoloration.

Adsos Letter

(19,459 posts)
6. Thanks for the heads up.
Wed Feb 13, 2013, 01:32 AM
Feb 2013

I was originally considering tile, but I was concerned the lino might be too resilient, and the tile might have a tendency to crack. Hence my question about engineered wood.

I still think I might give the wood a try. What do you think?

MADem

(135,425 posts)
7. By "engineered wood" do you mean Pergo, or something like that?
Wed Feb 13, 2013, 01:45 AM
Feb 2013

I have a "wood" floor made of rubberish material out on my (unheated and can-get-VERY-cold-in-winter and can-get-warm-in-Summer) sunporch that has taken a fair amount of abuse over the last six or so years.

It cleans with a damp mop, it looks like wood, it really does--it fools people--and it takes spills and keeps on going. It is "dirt colored" dark "wood" (matches the dirt in the yard)--the grain on it looks real. I had a flooring guy come with a crew and put it in, I did not "DIY." They glued it down.

I put something similar in a tiny entryway in a cottage--it did not glue down, it had these tabs and it stuck to itself. Cut easily with an exacto knife. I used a lighter "wood" pattern in that installation. That stuff has been going for about four years and still looks new. Damp mop--nothing else. Real easy care.

Adsos Letter

(19,459 posts)
9. A 5-ply wood core with a hardwood veneer, prefinished.
Wed Feb 13, 2013, 03:40 PM
Feb 2013

It generally comes in 3 1/2"-5" planks that can either be glued, nailed, or floated. Bruce, Armstrong, Shaw, etc., make the stuff. I'm looking at either gluing down to the vinyl underneath, or just floating on top. I'm leaning toward floating; if I end up needing to replace boards it will certainly be easier if it isn't glued down.

I know wood floors aren't the best for bathrooms if you get a lot of water. Our girls are grown and out of the house, so the shower in there is rarely used anymore, as opposed to when they were still at home (seems like someone was always in there in those days). I think the plywood core will do better than the laminate products, and the wear layer of hardwood can be refinished at least once (possibly up to 3 times, depending on the product).

I figure the total floor area at about 30 sq. ft., including the area taken up by the vanity, which should account for waste (although there shouldn't be much).

The more I think about it, the more I'm leaning toward just laying it down over the tight vinyl (it is vinyl, not a true linoleum).

Thanks for the response.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
11. While you're out shopping, have a peek at the rubber "wood" floors.
Wed Feb 13, 2013, 05:06 PM
Feb 2013

The guy said they're great in bathrooms, very forgiving on an install, and you can just glue the thing over your old lino if it's tamped down and not cracked/peeling. The glue does stink, but it's gone in a day or two.

Adsos Letter

(19,459 posts)
14. Stink wouldn't really be a problem if it dissipates as quickly as that.
Thu Feb 14, 2013, 12:24 AM
Feb 2013

I was a painter for 30+ years. I've smelled my share of stink.

 

LiberalEsto

(22,845 posts)
8. Is it sheet vinyl or sheet linoleum?
Wed Feb 13, 2013, 10:30 AM
Feb 2013

Real linoleum can last 30-40 years; sheet vinyl does not.

You might want to think about installing a 1/4 inch plywood underlayment over the existing material to smooth the surface, and then real linoleum. It's warm to the feet,and is long-lasting and eco-friendly.

Here's an article:

http://www.thisoldhouse.com/toh/article/0,,202857,00.html

http://www.armstrong.com/flooring/linoleum.html

Adsos Letter

(19,459 posts)
10. You're correct, it is vinyl, not real linoleum.
Wed Feb 13, 2013, 03:52 PM
Feb 2013

And the Armstrong linoleum you linked to looks very interesting.

I suppose I'm just drawn to a certain look I hope to get with engineered hardwood (hopefully not warping, etc.). Plus, I have all the necessary tools, and I feel more confidant doing the install than I would with linoleum.

Hmm...you've given me something to think on here. I suppose I'll ask my wife what she would prefer, and if we want to pay for professional installation of linoleum.

Thanks for the response.

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,798 posts)
12. You might start a thread over here:
Wed Feb 13, 2013, 06:42 PM
Feb 2013
http://www.johnbridge.com/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?s=a3b940201341bfad4f4b31e3ad690d88&f=1

Especially if you go the tile route. Removing that glue in preparation for tile can be tricky (don't use chemicals etc.).

Either way, there are some very experienced floor people who can steer you in the right direction with choices.

Checking at the home center or even a tile store can be reaallllly hit or miss.

The john Bridge forum is super friendly too! (not that DU isn't).

Adsos Letter

(19,459 posts)
13. Thanks for the link.
Wed Feb 13, 2013, 08:51 PM
Feb 2013

I spoke with a local flooring contractor today, and he assured me that as long as the sheet vinyl was fully glued down (not just the perimeter and seams) that it would be a great base for a floating engineered floor. He said it would also be fine for a glue down as long as the surface was properly prepped.

In either case, he recommended putting down a very thin sound dampening underlayment/pad.

I'm now considering whether there might be any utility in coating the tongue, groove, and butt ends/cuts with a thinned out varnish to increase water resistance at those vulnerable points. It's only 30 sq. ft., so it wouldn't take long.

Wash. state Desk Jet

(3,426 posts)
15. I was thinking about how many vinyl floors I floored over !
Thu Feb 14, 2013, 02:52 PM
Feb 2013

A contractor told you what I might have ! Good for you !Now on the floating floors, I have floated over concrete floors many times, some with sheet flooring some without.

There is a underlayment for those floating floors especially for concrete .It is more spendy but how much square footage can there be in a spare bathroom!

With that I would guess you are good to go !

As was said- if the floor that exists is glued down good- there shouldn't be a problem.

Good luck with your project.

Adsos Letter

(19,459 posts)
16. Thanks! You are right, it's only about 30 sq. ft.
Thu Feb 14, 2013, 05:16 PM
Feb 2013

I'm definitely going to go with the underlayment, as I'm told it makes the floor sound more solid,reduces any squeaking, etc..

Adsos Letter

(19,459 posts)
17. Finished that project
Fri Mar 29, 2013, 10:41 PM
Mar 2013

Decided to go with 18"x18" porcelain tile set in Thinset on a diagonal layout. More work, but a better surface for that bathroom than engineered flooring would have been:

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Grouted with PolyBlend "Delorean Gray," and with toilet re-set. I ran a heavy bead of "White" GE Silicon caulking around that tub (after I took this photo) :

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I installed some 31/2" wood base to replace the old vinyl cove. The wall color I originally chose was SW Kitchen and Bath Paint tinted to "Natural Choice," but when I got it on the wall it dried with a faint yellow-ish/gold-ish cast. So, I added a couple of drops of blue from my tint rack, and got a color I was quite pleased with. It reads a bit "greener" in the photo than it appears on the walls. Base was painted with SW ProMar 200 in un-tinted "Extra White" eggshell finish:

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Kali

(55,881 posts)
18. nice!
Sun Mar 31, 2013, 05:32 PM
Mar 2013

reading through the thread I was kind of shaking my head at your bent to the fake wood then surprise! big tile and dark grout - looks really good with the cabinet and white walls.

Adsos Letter

(19,459 posts)
19. Thanks, Kali!
Sun Mar 31, 2013, 08:06 PM
Mar 2013

It was a bunch more work than a floating floor would have been; I had to remove the linoleum and glue, then, because the builder had originally sprayed the slab with a curing agent which left a semi-glossy sealed surface, I had to scarify the concrete with a grinder and diamond wheel in order for the thinset to bond well.

Dusty piece of work, that last bit.

Adsos Letter

(19,459 posts)
23. Thanks! I forgot to mention that the cabinet was originally oak.
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 12:14 AM
Apr 2013

A really beat up, faded, 25 year old tract-grade cabinet. I sanded it down and did a hard wash with lacquer thinner and a rag, which took out most of the stain color (looked like it was originally ZAR "Golden Oak&quot . That left it a very light brown-ish color, and very smooth to the touch.

I then restained it with ZAR "Moorish Teak" and then applied some coats of tinted lacquer (Mohawk's "Medium Mahogany" followed by "Dark Mahogany," and then some shading with "Dark Walnut).

My wife is happy...so it's all good.

On to the laundry room, as I work my way from the back to the front of the house.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
24. It looks stunning--like a brand new cabinet. And the construction of even a
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 12:22 AM
Apr 2013

tract grade cabinet that is a quarter century old probably rivals a more expensive one today. You certainly made that thing look like it's worth a million bucks!!!!

Do the "Before and After" with the laundry as well...you just might motivate some of us lazybones!

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