This is not good. Democrats should not be pushing creationist type nonsense.

[HuckleB]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1280108978

[Archae]

1. Just put this in that thread...

From the OP's link, front page:


14 Ways to Cleanse the Body from Chemtrails, GMOS, Flouridated Water, and other Environmental Toxins

You have most probably noticed those chemtrails sprayed over your neighborhood, or just heard the latest information about the high


SAY NO TO NUTELLA, IT IS POISONING YOU AND YOUR CHILDREN

 February 3, 2016 JBA

Many people are unaware that there are GMO foods on the market that are promoted as healthy and nutritious. It’s

[HuckleB]

4. Oh, geez.

Good luck, my brave friend.

[xocet]

2. The website is bogus. Do you have anything to say about the Sanders video that is...

apparently the source for the article?

Bernie Sanders Dec. 27, 2015 via Adryenn Ashley's Facebook page:

https://www.facebook.com/AdryennAshley/videos/10153432676187695/

[HuckleB]

3. Sanders doesn't seem to know a whole lot about agriculture.

His talking points reflect the marketing of organic companies. It scares me, and it scares me that people are so easily taken in by such memes.

[xocet]

5. Does that directly address anything in his speech? No, it does not.

If nothing specific is mentioned, it is difficult to have a discussion.

By the way, it is likely that we have very similar views. I just want to get past the bogus article to the source and on to something specific if there is some specific point.

To that end, I adduced the likely source. The ball is in your court unless you would like to leave the discussion at the vague statements that you have made. That is entirely your call. I'm interested in specifics, though.

[HuckleB]

6. The point is quite clear.

The repeated general demonization of GMOs, supposed factory farming, etc... might be good politics, but it is not supported by science, and it is sad that Sanders, and so many of his supporters are going down that road. Demonizing farmers is just ridiculous. They are not stupid, and it's time people stop pretending they are to make political hay. I have no need for any long discussion, repeating things I've already discussed. If you have something you think I should know, that you don't think I know, then tell me.

[xocet]

7. Ok. Quote something specific from what Sanders says in the speech and go from there...

Otherwise, you are just making unsupported claims. I have no idea what you don't know. You aren't discussing anything with any degree of specificity.

So, no, the point is not clear. In general, it comes across as "Creationism...Democrat...Support..." which is far to serious to just cast out there. If you don't want to discuss something, that is fine with me; I didn't just post an OP that I don't want to talk about.

[HuckleB]

8. I made it clear that I don't care.

I know my claims are supported. I've done so for years, and the science showing that GMOs are safe is clear. There is a definitive consensus, and pretending otherwise equates to promoting creation. If you have something you really want to share, go for it. Otherwise, I'm not sure why you're in this group.

PS:

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-people-oppose-gmos-even-though-science-says-they-are-safe/

http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2012/09/are_gmo_foods_safe_opponents_are_skewing_the_science_to_scare_people_.html

http://www.popsci.com/article/science/core-truths-10-common-gmo-claims-debunked

http://www.skepticalraptor.com/skepticalraptorblog.php/the-solid-gmo-scientific-consensus/

https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/once-more-bad-science-in-the-service-of-anti-gmo-activism/

http://www.csicop.org/si/show/no_health_risks_from_gmos

[xocet]

9. It is more appropriate to ask why you are in the group if you cannot be bothered to even read...

and interpret a simple message. You are all reaction. Have I said anything supporting GMO's? No. Did I ask for a clarification on what Sanders may have said that evoked your obviously strong reaction? Yes.

Why did I ask?

Well, I asked because I am interested in knowing what Sen. Sanders supports. The odd point here is that it seems that you swallowed the magazine article's perspective hook, line and sinker without actually checking the source documents. That is, you took a magazine with a completely worthless reputation and echoed its comments regarding Sanders' positions. That is not very skeptical of you, and not very scientific.

It was stipulated in the beginning that the magazine in the post to which you referred (JBA Healthy News and the others which mimic it) are not worthwhile. I presumed that you did due diligence and found and listened to the source which ostensibly was his speech. That is not to say that the aforementioned worthless magazines did not add something to or distort something from what Sanders stated. Being that you seem to have strong views favoring an empirical approach, I would have presumed that you actually read the source material and could answer a simple question.

What purpose do you have in this group if you can't be bothered to read or look at source documents and if you attack people for no reason?

Bizarre. Your reaction is truly surprising.

You just started, fought and finished a battle that did not even happen except in your own mind.

Nevertheless, thanks for the links. I know those are good sources.

[HuckleB]

10. I don't think you've read my posts at all.

Regardless, your response makes no sense. You are responding to someone else, and another post, entirely. Strange.

[xocet]

11. Clearly, you are just trolling. That's fine. Have a nice night. n/t

[HuckleB]

12. Yeah, no.

OTH, your posts indicate that your accusation exists in your mirror.

Lame stuff. Lame stuff.

[xocet]

13. Have a nice night. n/t

[progressoid]

14. Yep, its one of the things about Bernie I can't get behind.

I support him more than Hillary, but on this he's wrong.

I don't think the demonizing of GMOs based on the actions of Monsanto is sensible. If you want to oppose Monsanto for their business practices, fine. But don't demonize science at the same time.

[drm604]

15. Yeah, I support him but this bugs me also.

No candidate is ever going to be perfect, but I do wish he would educate himself on this.