Girls Who Read

[seabeyond]

[redqueen]

1. "I'm not trying to call you a chauvinist, cause I know you're not alone in this"

Aw, so sweet how so many are so gentle in this kind of criticism. So gentle, so non-threatening to the hugely overblown egos of the audience.

So offensive, as well. Yes, let's not call out objectification as a bad thing you know. I mean so many people do it. It's practically a tradition to ignore the woman (sorry, girl) as a person, and instead fetishize the favored body parts.

Tit man
Ass man
Leg man

Without the indoctrination of patriarchy continually telling girls as they grow up that love and male approval for her looks are paramount, that her appearance is therefore paramount because 'men are visual'? And, well, nothing is more important than male approval.

Things would be vastly different. Better. At least for women.

[seabeyond]

2. So gentle, so non-threatening to the hugely overblown egos of the audience.

that is the demand on du. i do not know how we meet the demand and actually talk about the issue.

and ya, i hear ya

lets all do it to men. you know. dick woman? ass woman? thick dick, slim dick, little dick or big dick. what kind of a dick woman are we. lets all check out the dicks as they walk in the door.

i hear ya.

[redqueen]

3. That's the point sea - to silence women.

They don't want women talking about the issue.

People clowning with their misogynist bullshit? That's just fine. Make jokes, hell write shit fitting for Hustler or Penthouse forum - but a woman criticizing it? That's not allowed!

As for the objectification of men ( ) not only is it non-existent (like 'reverse racism', the dynamics of our society simply make it impossible)... but, well let me just tell a story:

I once was referred to as a "size queen" So not only does the objectification of men not exist - and not only is it not a proud label that women use for themselves, such as 'ass man' or 'leg man' are - no, further than that - the only possible example is a nonsensical insult that a desperate, petulant man might use towards women who make them feel unworthy.

And the term actually originated in gay male culture, so the irony with that shit is so very, very thick

[seabeyond]

4. YES... to ALL you say. yes yes yes yes yes. fuck...me. lol. nt

[seabeyond]

6. ok. so you tell me redq. cause i still cannot let this go. soiled school girl undies sold

to adult me to fantasize about .... what?

i said fuck kids. cause i am not gonna say selling soiled school girl undies to grown men so they can fantasize about "making love, having sex" with a kid. right???? i mean. isnt it the ULTIMATE in insult to a rape victim to suggest they were "making love or have sex"? right????

i didnt want to use rape, cause i figured that would get a post hidden.

right? that is the most blunt and honest way talking about a grown man fuckin a kid? a grown man raping a kid.

so i said fuck. that was as much as i could get it away from an interaction and toward a violation.... in making the point i was trying to make.

a poster, telling us, we should not feel ick... we should not shame the grown men that get off on soiled panties, adn we should not hold any value judgment with a grown man that would by girls soiled panties from a vending machine.

how else.... was i suppose to say it without offending anyone and getting a hide.

because surely, being a feminist, and being welcome in the progressive movement.... SURELY i should be able to challenge a man, telling us women, we should not say anything but positive about the men that buy soiled underwear of schoolgirls, from vending machines.

[redqueen]

7. Well not only is it of utmost importance that feminists' voices be silenced as much as possible

you know, when they start attacking any of the liberal-approved forms of misogyny... but it is also important to defend male sexual entitlement as "kink" whenever possible.

See, if you call it a "kink", most liberals will reflexively, unthinkingly defend it. Because freedom.

Hardly any will bother to examine the fact that any benefit to women is secondary at best, and is usually illusory to begin with.

'But we're empowering teenage girls to sell their dirty panties for profit! And profit makes everything acceptable!' those types might say.

So yeah, of course they'd allow the defense of it, allow the discussion of it (as long as it's approving and not kinkshaming at all! any criticism is kinkshaming!)... but stomp out any critical, feminist discussion. I wouldn't put it past the libertarian/misogynist liberals to dishonestly try to assert that such feminist criticism actually stemmed from religious moralism, either... cause that's how they roll. If you can't discuss rationally, well, distort. Fox News doesn't have a monopoly on that tactic, obviously. (Benevolent sexism, anyone?)

It's sold to allow men to fantasize about raping girls. That's simply a fact. Hiding facts to protect men's egos?

Well how does that need any explanation at all, really? It is misogyny writ large. And the fact that so few challenged it? So few had a HUGE fucking problem with it?

Patriarchy, anyone?

[libodem]

5. I liked it

It was a poety reading. I like a guy who reads, who can hold a conversation, who knows some science and politics and union organizing.(and is a feminist)
I like the occasional spiritual guy if you can find one to talk to.
The mind is the turn on not the T&A. I think that is the message.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

8. Passion. Wit. Dreams.

I think I just fell in love.