Regarding prostitution

[redqueen]

…in 1994 and 1995 the Amsterdam police’s repeated counts estimated that approximately 75% of all prostituted persons “behind windows in the Red Light district, DeWallen, are foreigners and that 80 percent of all foreign prostitutes [sic] are in the country illegally. There are findings in Victoria, Australia, and similar indications in Nevada as well, suggesting that prostituted women and minors are regularly moved between legal and illegal venues by pimps for reasons appearing to be money laundering, changed demand, and avoiding law enforcement scrutiny.

Waltman, Max. Prohibiting Purchase of Sex in Sweden: Impact, Obstacles, Potential, and Support Escape. Stockholm University; Department of Political Science, 2010, (p. 21 - 22)

In case anyone in this group isn't already aware, this is why the Socialists in France changed the law.

Unlike capitalists more interested in profit than the welfare of the people, they acknowledged reality, and acted accordingly.

[Squinch]

1. To add:

http://prostitution.procon.org/view.answers.php?questionID=000243

Nicklas Jakobsson, PhD, Research Fellow at Norwegian Social Research (NOVA), and Andreas Kotsadam, PhD, Postdoctoral Fellow at the University of Oslo, Norway, stated in their Feb. 2013 study titled "The Law and Economics of International Sex Slavery: Prostitution Laws and Trafficking for Sexual Exploitation,” published in the European Journal of Law and Economics:

"Using two recent sources of European cross country data we show that trafficking of persons for commercial sexual exploitation... is least prevalent in countries where prostitution is illegal, most prevalent in countries where prostitution is legalized, and in between in those countries where prostitution is legal but procuring illegal."

....and....

Seo-Young Cho, Assistant Professor of Empirical Institutional Economics at Philipps-University of Marburg (Germany), Axel Dreher, Professor of International and Development Politics at Heidelberg University, Germany, and Eric Neumayer, Professor of Environment and Development at the London School of Economics and Political Science, UK, wrote in their Mar. 2013 paper for World Development titled "Does Legalized Prostitution Increase Human Trafficking":

"The scale effect of legalized prostitution leads to an expansion of the prostitution market, increasing human trafficking, while the substitution effect reduces demand for trafficked women as legal prostitutes are favored over trafficked ones. Our empirical analysis for a cross-section of up to 150 countries shows that the scale effect dominates the substitution effect. On average, countries where prostitution is legal experience larger reported human trafficking inflows..."

[redqueen]

12. Those who profit from prostitution are pushing the UN in the other direction using AIDS as an excuse

So many girls and women are lied to, trafficked, exploited, bought and sold as slaves while capitalist libertarians drag their heels, year after year, refusing to see reality. It's great that the France has taken this latest step.

I hope things start turning around in Germany soon, but they have money on their side, and they serve male entitlement, and their agenda meshes so well with our patriarchal society.

[Squinch]

13. Even though every conclusion found in academic studies shows increased trafficking.

But what does that matter in the face of the libertee. Of those who wank.

[factsarenotfair]

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[Squinch]

3. Ah, yes. They're all just the girl next door working her way through college...

[seabeyond]

8. and getting RICH, i tell you. and only stay in out of GREED. for real. nt

[seabeyond]

6. exactly. and wrap it all up in a pretty bow so the illusion is digestible. you are....

right on.

do not dare show the ugly truth of it. them, what would the person be that participates or rationalizes it.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

4. it is obvious to me that we either have a lot of

Libertarian leaning Democrats on board here or else (horrors!) A lot of Libertarians have infiltrated the board and are allowed (for whatever reasons) to remain here.

Makes for lively discussions and heated debates, I guess.

[Progressive dog]

11. I love your graphic

and I agree with your post.

[ismnotwasm]

5. Legalized prostitution has been one big fail after another

Everywhere you look. Oh, they'll toss out a feel good story once in one in a while. -- a "real life of" kind of story, but it's bullshit.

Nearly every country where it's legal has a "reeducation" offer to the prostituted person, you know just in case, they want out of the life.

And just who in the up hell thought treating bodies as meat commodities would have any other effect?

The ones who say "it decreases rape" are the ones who really creep me out.

[seabeyond]

7. "Legalized prostitution has been one big fail after another" regardless of the proof of it...

the countries that tried it and see it as a big fail... we still have so many on the board demand with the conclusion that it will fix everything. what kind of reasonable, rational, thinking person can look at europ and australia, see they tried it, see they declare it as a fail, see they are looking for other answers and SUGGEST, INSIST that legalization is the answer

one fuckin lmao at the arrogance ignore reality.

[geek tragedy]

9. People should actually drive past some of the areas where the legalized stuff happens

See how happy/cheerful/healthy such areas are, and the quality of men they attract. We had that experience driving around San Jose, Costa Rica, where certain hotels have been converted into brothels by American expats.

You can imagine.

[ismnotwasm]

10. +1

[xulamaude]

14. Ooooh, don't even get me started on American ex-pats...

because you wouldn't like me when I'm angry...

My partner and I had a small restaurant in a small tourist town in Central America for a few years and I can't even begin to tell you what we observed.

The majority of our male customers were ex-pats. Most of them were availing themselves of the cheap price of 'child brides' as young as 12 bought from their fathers for the price of less than $50 US a month - we paid the young woman who worked with us $100/month and everyone thought we were crazy.

There were also a couple of dudes who we found out later were wanted by the FBI for child molestation/rape/trafficking. It makes me sick to this day that we fed those fuckers.

[grahamhgreen]

15. Still don't see how putting the women in jail helps them.

[seabeyond]

16. most of us advocate the nordic plan. prostitution is not illegal and they

are offered resource and help if they want out. protection under the law. it is buying and pimping that is illegal. this allows cops to get to traffickers. where as legalization makes it impossible for cops to get to traffickers

[Squinch]

17. Countries where the women are put in jail are the countries where the fewest women

are enslaved by traffickers.

Which would you rather? Enslavement by traffickers, or a soliciting arrest?

Of course, I think those buying the service should be the ones prosecuted, or at least prosecuted as often as those selling.

[seabeyond]

18. go after women that make choice. protect women and children that make no chocie.

your simple post bottom lined it for me. very interesting.

thread after thread of prostitution, the advocates say these women are making a choice. consent. ect... we are suppose to respect their choice. per what you say, they are making the choice knowing that they could go to jail. so yes, this is their choice.

where as those kidnapped, forced and sold made no choice.

so we absolutely mUST protect those women and children. not only from a value argument. but from a choice argument that pro prostitution make.

very interesting.

[Squinch]

19. And all academic studies that are being done about legalization say that it increases trafficking.

[ismnotwasm]

20. It doesn't

Prostitutes should never go to jail


Tricks and pimps should always go to jail

[redqueen]

21. That's not how the Nordic model works.

It helps to understand what you're attempting to challenge before you start posting.