didn't expect an honest, reveal one's hypocrisy, managed to avoid both by refusing to answer,

[seabeyond]

super fragile, difficult to answer without revealing a double standard, double standard, CONFIRMED my suspicion by not answering the question, you managed to avoid being seen as either a liar or a hypocrite (by ducking the question), even if you DID reveal a double standard (like I suspect you might if you had answered), The posse, lighten up, permanent chip on your shoulder, you're always assuming the worst, Men aren't all bad, not everything needs to be interpreted as an assault upon women, A little defensive, hit a nerve?, Lay off the playing the victim, it's most unbecoming, par for the course, stir up a suitable level of outrage, few heads popping, your posts are incredibly rude, You see some sort of male-dominated agenda aimed at debasing women in everything, you're coming to your buddy's aid (this is particularly funny seeing it is a thread of the mens group insulting), perpetual outrage crowd, makes some feel good...trash it as a sexual assault, you weren't so antagonistic toward an entire gender, stir up a few people...didn't expect the riot mode, militant, bitter, man-haters

and all this is not being bullied, it is being schooled. the woman stepping in to protect the men, confirming it is an effective form of debating. being schooled.

to be clear. on sexual assault OP a poster said it was "a slippery slope". i simply wanted clarification on what the poster was saying, suggesting, that sexual assault laws are a "slippery slope". nothing else. a simple question. that never got answered, as the barrage of insult and nastiness proceeded.

an example of a thread, men using insults and personal attacks and taking it to the personal, in the majority of posts. this is the arguing style they find the most effective. i want it to be clear, that women on du who oppose or challenge their perspective can expect it taken to insults, personal attacks and making it personal.

[seaglass]

1. How is it worthwhile to be here? I saw all of this - I see all of this. There is NO justification

for the treatment. DU3 is a failed experiment. I don't blame the Admins for giving the members self-rule, they listened to enough complaining (in some cases justified) about unfair mods, unfair rules, arbitrary decisions. So they said - leave it to our members. They are adults, liberals, progressives, Democrats - let them make this community what they want it to be, let's see what they are made of. And this is what we get. Many people should be ashamed of the petty, spiteful way they act on DU.

In the past couple of weeks I spent some time reading in the DU2 Women's Rights and Feminists forums. Nothing has changed, if anything it is worse now than it was. I see no hope that anything will change the dynamic at DU. That leads me to the question, is there some intrinsic value in DU that makes it worthwhile to deal with those whose ideas, attitudes and language towards women sicken me? Not that I can think of.

The other thing I figured out is that it is very hard to break a 12 year habit. Ha! I wonder how many others get no joy out of participating here, are no longer learning anything of value but hang around out of habit. Not sure how I am going to get through that - perhaps a fuck you to 5 of my favorite posters.

Anyway - hang in there seabeyond if you see some value in participating on DU. Wishing you the best.

[seabeyond]

4. your post is not so easy to address. and may take a little time. this si step one. awareness.

and step two is ... you question. why? why should we stay. but... i want to be int he right place when addressing that and it is not so easy to explain. being clear is already challenging enough for me. lol

but, it is important for me to say. that i am addressing it later. why?

[BainsBane]

10. It is definitely far worse

than when I was on DU2 many years ago. These aren't the values of the Democratic party, which is majority women and people of color.

[MadrasT]

2. Laughably transparent attempt to back you into a corner by directing the discussion.

Saw it but have no interest in feeding flamebait threads in GD anymore.

I don't enjoy engaging with assholes on the internet.

People who pride themselves on their cleverness are not usually half as clever as they believe themselves to be.

They think they can disrupt and deflect any conversation (here ind IRL) and make it go however thet want. Refusal to play by their rules drives them nuts, so they get nasty. Some men talk and they think people are just supposed to shut up and do what they say.

L.O. fucking L.

I ain't playing the game by their dumbass rules anymore.

I have had it with men thinking they can be loud and intimidating and mean and that will make women (or other men) back off or change to suit them.

Oh hell no. Madras don't play that.

[seabeyond]

3. L.O. fucking L. yes. lol fuckin' l. ha ha. nt

[seabeyond]

5. and madrast, it really is so very ismple to answer the question. no challenge. no hypocrisy.

no need to lie. a very simple answer. the poster though proves the difference between agenda rule vs integrity.

the woman touched the cop. at that point, all bets are off.

wow. that was hard.

[redqueen]

6. You know you're not going to get rational discussions from them.

It's a lost cause.

[seabeyond]

7. it is not for them...

just sayin

not a single reply or thought was for "them"

[redqueen]

8. Aha...

gotcha.

[BainsBane]

9. "a slipper slope"

which I found particularly funny. Yeah, it's all bullshit. There is nothing to be gained from such discussions.