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[ismnotwasm]

1. I'm actually in a discussion elsewhere about the word

Using the original meaning from the Vagina Monologues

ORIGINS OF THE WORD "CUNT"

"Cuneiform", the most ancient form of writing, derives from "kunta" meaning "female genitalia" in Sumerian of ancient Iraq. "Kunta" is "woman" in several Near Eastern and African languages and a Mother Tongue that is being compiled by linguists today. It was also spelled "quna," which is the root of "queen." Since priestesses were known to be accountants/administrators of Temple of Inanna in Sumeria c.3100 B.C. when Cuneiform was first used, it is highly likely that cuneiform was "the sign of the kunta" who kept the books (clay tablets) for the temple economy/redistribution of wealth that evolved from communal economics of ancient mother-cultures.

So when an abuser calls a woman a "cunt" he is actually calling her a "queen who invented writing and numerals." Girls and women can thus reclaim the words in our language that have been used as weapons against us in emotionally explosive situations. The word "prostitute" (law giver of the temple) and "whore" (houri, Persian, which means a gorgeous semi-divine female that awaits men in the 7th Heaven) are some of the finest compliments a woman can be given.

Many ancient languages did not have huge vocabularies as we do and the same word had many meanings, according to the context in which it was used. "Kunta" is also the root of kundalini (energy), khan (highest leader of the Eurasian steppe nomads, whose society was originally matriarchal and who still have remnants of a matriarchate), quantity, any words that start with "kw", qu, or kh. Examples: Cunda, mother of Buddha according to Japanese; Cunti-Devi, Goddess of kundalini energy, India; Kunta, means literally one who has female genitalia, and describes a priestess, ancient Sumeria; Kun, Goddess of Mercy, India; Quani, Korean goddess; Qudshu, female priestess of ancient Canaan & Phoenicia, which became the Roman province of Palestine after they conquered it; Quadesha, Sumerian word for a type of priestess. Qu' can also mean love, sensuality, sexuality, the divinity present in all females.

So, the most interesting conclusion is that the Koran or Quran, is actually the book of love for females. Female sensuality is probably the literal translation, but Muslims translate it as "reading or lection", which is also flattering to females because the mothers of Arabs were always their only teachers before Mohamad dictated the Koran. Now they have Koranic schools called "Madrasas", the mother-schools, although they now teach only boys and denigrate women. Almost every value word in the Muslim religion, including "Muslim" is a mother-word, derived from the mother root: Mohamad, mufti, mosque, madrasa, Makka (Mecca), Madina, mukhtar, mujahadeem, mezes, and many, many more.

http://www.vdaysouthbay.org/originsofcunt.htm

While it's interesting to explore it's origins, the word is far too offensive to many people, and far too many people delight in that offending. And it's not a pretty word-- harsh. No, it can't be 'reclaimed'

I only use 'female' epithets on offensive, sexist or misogynist men, thus taking any perceived power away immediately.

[intaglio]

2. AFAIK in English the word derives from the Saxon for "Purse" or "Pouch"

and was still largely used in that sense until about the start of the 14th or 15th Century though the sense continued in the backwoods.

A sidelight there is a house in Padstow whose name has been bowdlerised to Cyntwell because it is built by a "purse well" a small hollowed out cave that functions as a "drip well" http://www.cyntwell.co.uk/

[ismnotwasm]

3. Yeah

I'm always leery when a word is claimed to be dated to some incredible length of time back, and involves goddesses. The other history makes more sense. But, it's an interesting conversation anyway. I do believe the sound of the word contributes to it's offensiveness, at least in America. Other counties use it more casually-- which in no way makes it less repulsive.

[BainsBane]

4. Can people please stop writing those words out in subject lines?

I'd prefer not having to trash threads in HOF. I understand there is a reason to discuss these issues, but you don't have to make the insulting words so prominent.

[redqueen]

5. I don't think people are confused about that at all.

I think that, just like with the word 'bitch', some just really cannot stand the idea of having their oppressive little toys taken away.

They fight like hell to defend them at every opportunity, so that shows how important it is to them to ensure these oppressive words aren't ever considered as socially unacceptable as using 'gay' or 'retarded' as an insult.

It's very revealing. These discussions, like the discussions of white privilege, show us so very much about the mindsets of some people here.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

6. haha .. silly me, I am immediately thinking of

cunning

and

cunnilingus

and the word doesn't really bother me.

However, I recognize that it is offensive to many therefore I never use the word out of respect for other people's feelings.

Isn't that what polite and adult society should do?

[redqueen]

7. 'Cunning' isn't related.

'Cunnilingus' is of course.

I don't react badly to the word when not used as a pejorative by women. When used by men or as a pejorative I have a big fucking problem with it.

And I have a huge problem with 'progressives' fighting to ensure the word doesn't become socially unacceptable, as has happened with 'gay' and 'retarded'.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

8. I know that cunning is not related but, in my mind, I think of it. Weird? Yeah, maybe but,

it is the way my mind works. They sound a lot alike. I like the sounds of words. The alliteration is there and as a writer, I appreciate it.

And I have a huge problem with 'progressives' fighting to ensure the word doesn't become socially unacceptable

This reads funny to me. I think you are saying that we should fight to ensure the word becomes socially unacceptable, correct?

I am finding it used less and less in my world. In Real Life in My Neck of The Woods. YMMV.

So, I think it is on The Way Out ... which is fine by me.