i RISE. to all the beautiful women on du, that keep us strong.

[seabeyond]

i was down. and then women on du picked me up.

i rise

You may write me down in history
With your bitter, twisted lies,
You may tread me in the very dirt
But still, like dust, I'll rise.

Does my sassiness upset you?
Why are you beset with gloom?
'Cause I walk like I've got oil wells
Pumping in my living room.

Just like moons and like suns,
With the certainty of tides,
Just like hopes springing high,
Still I'll rise.

Did you want to see me broken?
Bowed head and lowered eyes?
Shoulders falling down like teardrops.
Weakened by my soulful cries.

Does my haughtiness offend you?
Don't you take it awful hard
'Cause I laugh like I've got gold mines
Diggin' in my own back yard.

You may shoot me with your words,
You may cut me with your eyes,
You may kill me with your hatefulness,
But still, like air, I'll rise.

Does my sexiness upset you?
Does it come as a surprise
That I dance like I've got diamonds
At the meeting of my thighs?

Out of the huts of history's shame
I rise
Up from a past that's rooted in pain
I rise
I'm a black ocean, leaping and wide,
Welling and swelling I bear in the tide.
Leaving behind nights of terror and fear
I rise
Into a daybreak that's wondrously clear
I rise
Bringing the gifts that my ancestors gave,
I am the dream and the hope of the slave.
I rise
I rise
I rise.
Maya Angelou

ya. i was reaching out toward the women. but be assured, there were equally men there, too. and thank you men. i wanted this for our women though, .... and being the men you are, i know you are good with that.

[ismnotwasm]

1. Nice

One of my favorite poems

[freshwest]

10. Me too!

[bravenak]

2. One of my favorites too.

I like phenomenal woman too.

[eridani]

8. And mine. Thanks for the reminder n/t

[sheshe2]

3. I am smiling here sea...

thank you.

Together we rise, always together.

[sheshe2]

4. I am making this a party sea...

A party that will rise for justice!

1 Billion Rising! we stand together!

We dance together

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024123237

Yes we break the rules! Yes we will turn it upside down. It's time to break the chain.

[seabeyond]

5. isnt that first video inspiringly awesome. i love the women.... so many women

in dance and smile....

yea

now to the second.

thanks.

[sheshe2]

7. And the men...

They too were there.

I so wish more would support women here at DU. Sadly they do not.

The vid inspires me and gives me hope. Break Song Dance Inspire! Beautiful!

[seabeyond]

6. that second video.... totally needed wanted and loved. wow.

might have to watch again tomorrow. yes. lets make this a thread of inspiration and awesome in women.

you know. i hear men say how feminism is dead. how it is done. and i see all these women speaking out and dancing out and singing out.... women are not staying quiet.

loved the video. i will see what i can find in the morning.

[freshwest]

9. Here's one I posted to Sheshe elsewhere (guess where?) that I now give to you:

Put it on full screen to enjoy it all. Have a great night, Sea!

[sheshe2]

27. Thank you for posting the video again, freshwest.

[seabeyond]

32. i did too.

i full screeened it, late last night. and mellowed. and off to bed with warmth and comfort. only to wake up strong. see how good we women are. and that.... is the fear.

[redqueen]

12. They just want it to stop now. We've gone far enough for their tastes.

The radical feminists who are encouraging others to challenge the patriarchy itself, who are opposed to the continued normalization of objectification, the fetishization of dominance and submission - the dynamics of the patriarchy eroticized - we face a severe backlash but this work must be finished. It has languished half done for decades. Enough.

Thanks for this thread.

[seabeyond]

13. in the last week, maybe two. i have had four other women, very smart women. say it is time to go.

and .... i feel the same way.

YET... this board can be used by us women, that will get us stuff we want. it has, it does. in discussion, all of us progress, are aware, are vocal, are doing. so.....

on the one hand i can say, that everything that has been done the last 3 yrs.... has allowed the board to become more hostile to minority groups. not ONE thing has been helpful or supportive of minority groups. intentional, or not. considered, or not.

the simple fact of creating an off board site, that specific goal is to parallel du, in insults. the ugliest. again. yesterday. i guess i had a man, declare i need to be investigated as a mother. that i abuse my boys.

what scum says shit like that.

and... this site is parallel to du. it is out there. and i am trashed more. hostile. not only hostile there, but brings it to du, also.

every step they have made has created hostility.

then we get the snark directed at us.

really?

yet. i was down. and a good number of the most wonderful feeling women held out there hand and we all said.... brush off, and get on with it

fuckers......

ya know.

[seabeyond]

14. lets talk about baines situation. she was flagged. two hides. she is the MOST

intellectually driven, non emotional poster on du. fug.... lol. her talk is totally brain talk. that is where she talks from. she addresses the issue. that is it. no mo.

a stupid fuggin hide cause she laughed. you know. used this....

god only knows what the other was. doesnt fuggin' even fuggin' fuggin' cuss.

there was a video of a man and woman. young. she was telling them that this hate speech on the nets is about silencing women. that the man dismissing it was saying free speech, free speech.

but the reality was that really what that man was allowing was behavior that is only there to shut up and shut down women.

you know. take away their/OUR free speech, voice.

when we get a hidden, and men can say i abuse my children and i need to be investigated, or that we are man hating bitches.....

so. yes. baines is silenced.

we take our chances.

using a

right? isnt that what we are told?

[Whisp]

20. 'good faith' has left the building, baby.

If I hear those words one more time I am going to vomit.

It would have been good faith to listen to the many DUers that wanted an addition to the ToS to include sexism and misogyny. That would have been 'good faith' but the admin decided to just ignore that and by doing that they emboldened the bad faiths. We were shamed like small children who are demanding just too much.

Would those words have made any difference to sexist posts? As to whether the number of sexist and misogynist posts would decrease, who knows, maybe there would be no difference but at least it wouldn't feel like a kick in the teeth now hearing all that crap.

Yes, admin does get rid of some nuts for misogyny but they didn't for one of the biggest forum crimes ever seen on DU - a member threatening the life of a woman and he being reinstated anyway. Good Faith? My hairy ass.

[seabeyond]

24. "We were shamed like small children" you were the best though. totally business and

no tippy toeing. you said, and are now saying, like it is. and still. condescending replies and addresses.

now. cause you have such an awesome post. i am gonna continue on reading. but... it was that important that i stop reading, and address "We were shamed like small children"

adn seeing how all of us were children in the past, many of us mothers with children, we clearly see when being treated like a child.

oh. let me add. in a ways, that as a mother, i would NEVER treat my boys.

totally unproductive parenting.

[seabeyond]

25. +1. nt

[sheshe2]

22. I didn't know about Baines!

She was flagged for review?! Damn it! Serriously.... a hide for

It's okay to call the President a POS, yet a woman is a hide. Like children we are to be seen and not heard???!

[seabeyond]

28. yes. a hide for that. and then a second hide for saying... i got a hide for this... lol.

so ya. two hides and a flag for ....

for fuggin real.

so women. you know that hand you reached to me, pulling me up out of the dirt after being kicked to the ground. well.... we rise for baines.

damn we are good. lol

wipe off the bluuuud, and move on.

[redqueen]

41. Jesus... if those posts were hidden then we are overrun by assholes.

lol, bluuuuud... Did you watch that video I sent?

[seabeyond]

47. i got behind somewhere. when?

email or pm? maybe/ i have watched a lot. probably. i am getting old. forgettin. oh lordy. too bad. my brain. on du.

[redqueen]

48. Email...

Not sure you'll like it... But I'm curious ro know what you think

[seabeyond]

52. forgot to open email. go figure.... brb. nt

[redqueen]

37. Didn't know about Baines.

Just more evidence of how fucked up this system is.

[redqueen]

35. I understand completely of course

but I also can't help thinking of all the feminists who have left already. How much stronger our presence would be felt if we had their voices joining ours here.

But we are all over the net and growing stronger every day.

[seabeyond]

36. omg... yes. lol. ah, the shivers in fear, lol. and yes. women uniting everywhere. it is gettin

strong. it is ... strong.

and that is what scares so many

look at those videos. women unite. dance. sing. speak out. in joy, laughter, love. that is always a win. always. and again, that is what is so fearful. i was thinking this last night watching the many different videos, of womens voice.

[redqueen]

43. And so many are starting younger...

they are fiercer, bolder, and dare I say it... meaner

These young women are waking up faster and they are angry at how little we have progressed and they have no patience for fools and I do not blame them. I fucking love it

[seabeyond]

51. they are fiercer, bolder, and dare I say it... meaner

yes yes yes. they are not doing it for a minute. they have decided, that have made their choice, their line, of what they will live. and if that is not met, ... fine. other choices to get what they want.

i am hearing niece.

but then, the interesting redqueen? men, like my sons, they are not bothered, worried or afraid. as a matter of fact, they are excited, they are confident, they like. they like what they see. and they know they can be right there with the woman. so...

it is interesting what i am seeing with this generation of teens and younger.

[sheshe2]

50. And we vote! Gawd dammit, we vote!

Our voice. Our time.


and meet Sarah Kay~

about her here...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024792500

[intaglio]

11. K&R for all women

Especially those on DU

[Tuesday Afternoon]

15. I miss Baines. I rise for Baines.

[seabeyond]

16. ohhhhhh. that is too cool. and you are so right on. i rise for BAINES

yes. thank you.

hey... did a post about her, right above.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

17. Yes, I saw it and it is spot on.

[seabeyond]

18. aaaaaaahm. oh jj. the dude, new, so familiar. and always, always taking pokes. hey... wasnt he

doing pm shit to a feminist... really??? wow. nah. i do not believe that administration was that blatant. i think time wise, it did not coincide. i will have to check the hides out. baines. i have been busy and havent been able to follow a lot of shit.

hmmm

[Tuesday Afternoon]

19. I edited my post. I think what happened is he had five hides but, two dropped off on Sunday

and so, he was automatically allowed his posting privileges. This is different from Baines receiving two hides in a 24 hour period and being flagged for review.

[seabeyond]

21. ah. gotcha thanks. cause then i thought i went around the bend, having a conversation

that had nothing to do with what i was replying to. too funny. lol lol

[Tuesday Afternoon]

23. I need to get confirmation. I am not sure JJ is the one. I will post when I have more info.

[seabeyond]

30. ok. but it is cool to know it is something like that cause i do have a certain amount of faith with

administration, with some things.

that would have truly surprised me.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

34. Yes, as do I. But, I think Baines is finished. I am talking with her now at FB.

[seabeyond]

40. i hope she is not. and i totally respect and understand her decision. the shit we take. nt

[seabeyond]

42. what is funny, i read people insisting we feel guilty getting kicked off du

we should feel shame. that we cannot get along. . really? shame? for this ?

we rolled the dice. we were .... uncivil?

then, when people like you or i or the others dare to say.... woman, baines, we miss you. we want you back. instead of quietly turning our backs on her.... those same people say. but, but, but.... she did wrong. she needs to learn a lesson

for a



ya. not gonna happen.

[redqueen]

45. Such a desperate need to control.

It is so sadly amusing.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

49. What is going on with Baines by the Admin is bigoted and reactionary.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

70. interesting ... and thanks to the jury. The Alerter and #2 might want to take note =

What is going on with Baines by the Admin is bigoted and reactionary.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1255&pid=44101

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

She's calling admin bigoted and reactionary because a member of their group got two posts hidden within 12 hours and the system automatically put her in 'flagged for review' status. This is a personal attack on the character of our administrators - over something the community judged to be uncivil. Admin had nothing to do with what happened.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Tue May 27, 2014, 01:16 PM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Admin doesn't juries to protect them. They have a lot of power. They can ban at will, they can flag at will, they can do a lot of things. This post isn't going to hurt Skinner or any admin.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Quit stalking the HoF members - your obsession with them says more about you than them.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I don't necessarily agree with the post but that certainly isn't enough to hide it. As I've been told NUMEROUS times-refute don't hide. Well, it works both ways.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

[seabeyond]

72. glad to see the jury result. thanks for posting.

i figured about all the posts in this subthread has been, or is being alerted on. takes about a half hour per alert. takes time. wink.....

thanks. cool results.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

53. Baines is one of the most civil posters on here. What is going on with her is a travesty.

[seabeyond]

55. so FUGGIN civil. yes. nt

[seabeyond]

56. she told me to quit cussin'. like a zillion times. hence my fug. nt

[Tuesday Afternoon]

57. She post about the issues. Even when perosnalities are involved she goes point by point

explaining Why She Thinks this way and why she takes issue with another. She always gives a chance for another person to remove EMOTION from the equation and explain why they think their position is legitimate.

the one time she goes to emotion ...

She is flagged for review. WTF. Seriously, WTF.

[seabeyond]

59. yup. but i am really not seeing

as an emotion we should restrict, control, not experience and share on du. personally i am in love with and fuggin' all the fuggin time.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

60. exactly my point. the most basic and happy emotion there can be. To Laugh. to have fun.

I am not sure that she was laughing AT someone as much as she was laughing WITH someone.

WTF.

Let there be laughter.

[seabeyond]

44. this was a reply to you. i posted it to me.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/125544027#post42

[freshwest]

61. She doesn't even have 5 posts hidden. Why would Admins flag her? Or was it done by Hosts?

I don't understand what is going on here. Do they suspect her of being a sock or something?

[seabeyond]

64. it is simple. there was a rule implemented. two or more hides, within a 24 hours period, and the

poster is flagged. they cannot post. use pms. nothing. they have lost privileges temporarily until administration can look at the hides, and take action if necessary. mostly, it is unflagging the duer next day, cause they are not big deals, like getting posts hidden for using this.... and then getting another hide cause you later linked to the post that got hidden for using this

now. if you are bad bad. then they can kick your ass off, or allow the flag for a number of days, giving the duer a time out.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

65. She got two hides in a 24 hour period. That is a flag for review. Five hides in a 90 day period is

automatic time out until one hide drops off. then you can post with four hides unless you get another fifth hide.

[freshwest]

68. Ah, it's programmed. Still don't think those were worthy of hides from what

what I'm reading here. The hides are effective in getting people to not enjoy DU, as they 'make DU suck.'

There are subject threads where I no longer post, after being gone after being jumped on with all fours by a long time poster for a brief comment to another poster, a neutral one as passions are high on that topic. I got a barrage of accusations, which I refuted one by one to his questions, which had nothing to do with my post or other posts on the same matter. I've shown respect and I don't snark at others, nor laugh at them.

The one that went off on me, gave me a no apology apology, as I asked him some questions after answering his. Another long time poster said nearly the same thing but with a very hostile tone and the same one who jumped all over me agreed with him. This place has problems.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

69. yes, there are problems and the admin are taking a Laissez-faire attitude about it all

Seems (appears to me) that they want to run this business with as little hands on as possible.

The less hands on, the easier the money.

They want a self-running, business.

Go on take the money and run.

From a strictly business standpoint I can't say as I blame them. However, I have always taken pride in any finished product that has my name attached. If they are proud of this site then so be it. And they think they have a quality product to offer the consumer.

However, It appears to me that their target market/demographic is White Males of a certain age and certain mindset.

[hrmjustin]

26. I rise for BB as well.

[seabeyond]

29. dude. yes. she can use an arm thrown around her shoulder. as we move one. nt

[Tuesday Afternoon]

38. I have enormous respect for Baines. She EARNED it. She is intelligent and cerebral. She is an asset

to DU. She is a DEMOCRAT.

[hrmjustin]

39. I hope they end the flag today.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

46. me too, hrmjustin. She is low today. We need to Lift her UP.

[seaglass]

62. Sorry Baines is feeling bad - she is such a strong voice and does not back down. I appreciate her.

DU - not so much.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

66. I understand. It is DU's loss. and DU will be the less without her.

[hrmjustin]

71. She is back on.

[seabeyond]

73. oh cool thanks. i was gonna look. nt

[Tuesday Afternoon]

75. Thanks.

[sheshe2]

31. Kick for Women! Kicking for BB~

We Rise!

[seabeyond]

33. that picture is so totally awesome and the warmth of the sun

simple pours into my heart.....

[freshwest]

58. Well, here's another...

About Bains. We have many, many members who never, or hardly ever post but you can be sure they sit on juries. AFAIK, we often have an influx of new ones as current events sway the interest of the board. I think they join to put down those who want to discuss events here. They know better than to do their disruption on the board, they do it on juries. I'll go and check her profile.

[sheshe2]

63. Love that picture, freshwest....*steals*~

[freshwest]

67. 'Overcoming Life's Challenges' is the title. A picture of her creating her backyard pond.

I had a similar experience at work once, slipped into a hole we were making that was filling with watery dirt. And another day sliding down a hill, just pumping away to get back through the mud. And I was one of those kids that made their mother mud pies as a kid. The Earth's dirt isn't a problem.

That was back when I was 'kicking ass and taking names.' I took no grief from the guys I worked with at all. It was an era and in a place when and where the rights of women and all minorities were not silenced for a brief moment in time, when Carter was POTUS. That was before Reagan, fundies and the rest took us all to hell. And most younger people don't even know how far we have gone down.

[sheshe2]

76. Perfect title.

I can just picture you covered in mud, freshwest. Same way I can picture you kicking ass!

[freshwest]

77. Haha, I'm sending you pictures to your DUmail...

[sheshe2]

78. Cool~

[freshwest]

79. They're links, just click on them and you will get them. Tell me what you think about me here. Kick!

[sheshe2]

80. LOL! Great Pics!

Yup, with an attitude like that and it shines through, you were definitely kicking ass! And taking names, the poor menz were i'll bet.

I want to see more tomorrow! Thanks freshwest.

[seabeyond]

74. cool and that looks interesting. here is one.

[shenmue]

54. Yes!

Yes, Amen.

[Hekate]

81. I wish I had come here before now. This is what I need...

This poem of Maya Angelou's always reminds me of that saying from the 1960s: "I swear it to you on my common woman's head, the common woman is as common as a common loaf of bread -- and will rise"

She Will Rise.

[seabeyond]

82. omgosh....

"I swear it to you on my common woman's head, the common woman is as common as a common loaf of bread -- and will rise"

i love. i am gonna try and put this in my sig. thank you

that woman of grace, peace and as scorpio says.... and too true, power.

i love that i needed her poem the other day. and it stands in our forum... as she passes.

[seabeyond]

83. how does it look on me. does it make my ass look fat?

i jest