5 Uncomfortable Truths Behind the Men's Rights Movement

[sufrommich]

Until recently, you probably thought that the "men's rights movement" was just a weird fad on the Internet for sad, depressed guys who wanted to vent about their sexual frustrations, no more or less important to your day-to-day life than, say, people raging against bad movie reviews or complaining that their favorite video game company doesn't like them. But then something like the UCSB shooting happens, where a 22-year-old kid kills nine people and blames it on all the sex he never had, and you have to ask yourself: Is this group actually a problem?

Holy shit, yes. I spoke to Frank Meeink, a former white supremacist, and Michael Kimmel, a professor of sociology, about the men's rights movement, and I found out that it has less in common with any civil rights or equality movement than it does with goddamn neo-Nazis.....


http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-uncomfortable-truths-behind-mens-rights-movement/

This is an excellent article published today.

[freshwest]

1. Excellent read. But I think they do have an 'action' group now, the Open Carry group.

I'm sure you've seen these links before, but I'm passing it on to people. The article in the OP does go into forming a groupthink and blaming others but not on their rights as men.

The ones acting out with legal permission are hiding behind 'patriotism, freedom, liberty' and their 'second amendment rights.'

The fusillade of abuse women receive from them isn't about those issues. It was painstakingly nurtured into pure poison, and it's ruining young men who fall into their groupthink:

When Words Become Bullets: Elliot Rodger and the Patriarchal Id

http://rhrealitycheck.org/article/2014/05/28/words-become-bullets-elliot-rodger-patriarchal-id/

This one may be a trigger for some DUers. But it's worth the full read, plus the videos. It has many links worth going to as it pulls all the different threads together:

Spitting, Stalking, Rape Threats: How Gun Extremists Target Women

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/05/guns-bullying-open-carry-women-moms-texas

Sorry if these have been posted before, but I think they both, particularly the second one, show what most have suspected but have not seen explained so well. The MRA are not about the rights of men except their right to use and abuse women which is not even a worthwhile effort to most people.

[IronLionZion]

2. "it's just them feeling bad about themselves and directing that hatred elsewhere

... which is exactly how a hate group works."

Yup, that's the tip off. Anytime a group is mostly against something, rather than being for anything, it's a warning sign. There's a lot of parallels to right wing political groups who feel deeply oppressed as well.

[freshwest]

5. 'Anytime a group is mostly against something, rather than being for anything, it's a warning sign'

That expresses it perfectly. I make a point not to interact with people like that here or anywhere else. Nothing of value can be exchanged.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

3. This =

But I do think anger is a dangerous emotion. And I know that if you spend all day on the internet trying to make that anger feel justified and righteous, something important inside you will start to rot away.

I agree with that statement and it is why I am done with the bickering. I refuse to engage in it anymore. If it means I have to stay out of threads or have my voice silenced. Then, so be it. I am done with it.

Peace.

[ismnotwasm]

4. Sick fucks

And all that whining. Damn. Whine. Whine, whine.

[redqueen]

6. SIGH

I was enjoying this until...

Other hate groups hold protests and have rallies, while the men's rights movement seems to limit itself to Internet rants and blatantly made-up stories, right?

WRONG

How many people just flat out refuse to see this movement for what it is?

PUA artists talk about 'overcoming last minute resistance' - how many of these assholes are date rapists?

Father's Rights and Mens Rights groups are changing laws for the worse. Why do so few people seem interested in educating themselves about these groups?

I was horrified to see the FRA movement getting favorable comments in a thread in GD. But that's what happens when people don't educate themselves.


http://www.politicalresearch.org/2011/03/01/fathers-rights-groups-threaten-womens-gains-and-their-safety/#

http://america.aljazeera.com/opinions/2013/12/father-s-rights-angrywhitemen.html


No. These aren't just online bullies and I'm fucking sick of that minimizing bullshit.

[geek tragedy]

7. it's publicly acceptable to be a Fathers Rights type (the court

system is full of them at all levels, of both genders)

Even the loathsome mens rights types are really pretty tolerated by non-feminist society.

you see even some people who ought to know better buying their crap--amongst SOME domestic violence activists, it's apparently a thing to advocate legalizing/decriminalizing domestic violence (the parlance they use is "remove these cases from criminal courts and emphasize mediation and counseling" blah blah blah)

[redqueen]

8. Violence against women is so routinely minimized.

Especially by FRAs and MRAs.

[geek tragedy]

9. don't forget Parental Alienation Syndrome

don't report the sexual abuse: state takes the kids away because you're neglecting them
report the sexual abuse: court takes the kids away because you're mentally abusing them

all based on junk science

[redqueen]

10. And for reference, some background on the sick POS who coined the term.

http://www.leadershipcouncil.org/1/pas/RAG.html

[YoungDemCA]

11. And they are here on DU

They know who they are.

[ismnotwasm]

12. Yup

They won't admit it though.