Received this (unsolicited) in my DU Mailbox this morning

[boston bean]

CFLDem

Who

Mail Message

doesn't like (•)(•)?

I thought if you were on a time out you couldn't send DU mail. Obviously I was wrong.

[seaglass]

1. Please send to Skinner. This poster has been I believe on 3 time outs since he joined which was

not that long ago. He is a liar and a disruptor and does not deserve to be welcomed back. If Skinner needs evidence to make a case, I will do the research.

[boston bean]

4. I did alert on the DU mail. We'll see if it is taken seriously I suppose.

[seabeyond]

11. when you alerted, did your pm disappear? i alerted on a pm taunting with the c word. nt

[boston bean]

12. Really? And he wasn't been banned from DU?

The email he sent to me is still in my inbox.

[seabeyond]

13. nope. i alerted on the pm and within a small frame of time (i do not remember how long) the pm

simply, .... disappeared.

i guess that is their answer. hide the offensive.

[boston bean]

14. I guess it's a good thing that I posted this here in the open.

Maybe they will take a closer look. If they don't, well... we'll just continue on without a doubt that they don't really give a shit how women are treated here.

[Agschmid]

77. I think the poster was removed.

So when they removed the poster the PM also was removed, that makes sense to me.

[seabeyond]

78. it would make sense he was kicked off. i checked. he was not. and a month later, still pming

feminists, taunting us. and skinner is still getting alerts from us in this group getting the pms. last i checked. he is still here.

[Agschmid]

79. What was the name of the poster?

[seabeyond]

81. cfldem. what this Op is about. lol. and jury, his name is already out there. in this OP.

no more a call out then every post in this thread.

[Agschmid]

84. Thanks. I thought they were banned?

Looks like I got it wrong.

[CreekDog]

132. the poster, cfldem was not removed

so let me see if i'm understanding this...

his pm's to other people had to be removed, he's flagged, anything else?

oh yeah, it's even been discussed by the Admins.

HOWEVER...he's not been PPR'd.

Skinner, are you waiting for him to do something worse?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12596139

[Kali]

86. did you put a message into the alert box or just hit the alert button?

I ask because I think you might have hit "delete this message" by accident instead of the alert button. PMs don't disappear normally when you alert on them. Maybe admins never got that one???

[seabeyond]

87. no. i always put a message. gonna go check pms now... nt

[seabeyond]

89. ha. i have never deleted a pm. just tried on another pm. pretty straight forward.

now i am more sure i did not accidentally delete. deletes happen immediately. the pm did not get deleted for a couple hours or more. i was able to go back to it and copy and paste. others had gotten pms or something and it was brought up. so i posted the pm i got and said i had alerted on it.

[seabeyond]

90. also, i figured, when it disappeared, that meant cfl was kicked off. as i assume they would be for

taunting feminists with the c word. ya know. at the time, seeing it disappear, i checked status and he was still du, just couldnt post cause time out.

[Kali]

91. did you block PMs from him? maybe that is why it disappeared?

so you just tried another one and it disappeared?

[seabeyond]

92. no. i did not block. i have not blocked anyone, ever, even physically threatening me in a pm.

which is silly with anonymous posting. lol.

no. i did not block him. i did look at one of tuesdays pm to see the set up. saw delete at bottom next to alert. hit delete. the post disappeared immediately. not even an... are you sure.

if that had happened with cfl, it would have been immediate. it was not immediate. later i was able to go back and copy/paste for a discussion. when i next went back to copy and paste, it was gone. i figured that administration kicked him off. they did not. appears they only take the pm out of my box. hence the oddity. and really, a little dissatisfaction that this is their answer to harassment.

[Kali]

94. OK this is strange

he just sent one to me - (mildly insulting you) so I alerted to show admins the behavior and to test this disappearing "thing" and indeed it disappeared. I copied it first and sent it back to myself. also right when I did that I had a "name removed" unread PM in my inbox.

Message auto-removed

Mail Message
This mail message was automatically deleted by our software because the account that sent it is no longer eligible to send mail on this site. Thank you for your understanding.

his profile says flagged now but I am pretty sure it said something else when he got his 5th hide, so maybe something just happened with his account - maybe automatically? I don't think admins are around on the weekend. the "mechanics" of this is kind of confusing. I wonder what is going on. some of these PMs seem like a fine reason to ban a disruptor.

[seabeyond]

95. coolest. yes. that is what i got. removed and that message. and yes, he was flagged when in

checked. i figured administration had flagged for offensive pm adn would kick off. they did not. and i guess that message about no longer pming goes away after administration checks it all out, and decides to unflag. cause he can now pm me.

interesting.

[seabeyond]

96. so. he felt the need to pm you too, with an insult toward feminists. hmmmm.

[Squinch]

19. I fear the outcome of this. Based on past experience, I don't trust that

the right thing will happen, that this poster whose sole purpose seems to be to antagonize and insult, will be banned. I fear he will be allowed to continue this and nothing will be done.

If he were so dedicated to antagonizing other groups, he would certainly be banned. But not HoF.

Please let us know what happens.

[LiberalLoner]

45. +1

[BainsBane]

53. Plus he's yucking it up at the new site

He doesn't need to bother people here with unsolicited PMs. I've gotten a couple from him. I never responded. One I alerted on.

[redqueen]

62. The one I alerted on disappeared immediately. nt

[BainsBane]

63. Perhaps we should make copies before we alert

I never noticed if they disappear, but it sucks that we don't have a record of them. That isn't the case when you alert on jury results.

[redqueen]

65. I blocked him. I know how this game is played.

The responsibility for stopping harassment is on us and us alone. No different here than anywhere else, obviously.

[seabeyond]

66. dont want to be raped? make sure you do everything so you are not raped. no crying victim. silly

american.

so right wing argument.

[Dr. Strange]

133. Start a thread collecting all of them.

Transparency is key.

[boston bean]

67. copy, paste, alert...

Transparency is what it's all about.

Just removing the ugly so it can't be seen is obviously not the solution in this case. I'm sorry to hear I am not the first who alerted admin and he is free to continue pm'ing inappropriate messages to others.

[Kali]

88. it happened to you too?

(I mean the message disappearing) that is weird. I am going to post this to ATA.

[boston bean]

98. Earlier today he was on a 5 hide time out.

Now he is flagged for review. His status changed somehow.

The email he sent to me is essentially gone, here is what it looks like:

Name removed

Message auto-removed

Mail Message

This mail message was automatically deleted by our software because the account that sent it is no longer eligible to send mail on this site. Thank you for your understanding.

So, it is possible with his status changing to flagged this is normal procedure for emails that he sent to now look like this. However, I am not sure if this is the same case for RQ or seabeyond. However, I wish if someone wasn't allowed to post they weren't allowed to send emails, not just when flagged for review. I don't like it that I now have no record of the email he sent to me.

[BainsBane]

101. The status probably changed due to alerts on PMs

Last edited Sun Jun 15, 2014, 01:01 AM - Edit history (1)

Most people don't abuse their PM privileges while on suspension. I don't think that needs to be removed to account for one person. The problem is specific to him.

He can't send PMs while flagged. It also means the admins. need to look at his case and decide if they want him around.

[boston bean]

102. Admins get those email alerts.

So, if they changed his status to flagged, why not just boot him the hell off????????

[BainsBane]

103. flag is computer generated

automated. Then the adminis do the review.

[boston bean]

104. I know nothing about email alerts flagging people for review

automatically with no review.

That could cause a hell of a lot of issues.

[BainsBane]

105. I know someone once got flagged for sending several PMs

which weren't even alerted on. This is someone who doesn't get hides, so it was a stupid thing. I'm not sure if they have since adjusted the software.

[boston bean]

106. You are telling me that the system automatically changes a members status

when people alert on their DU mails?

I would assume that since the alerts go directly to admin, they make the decision and that it is not something that automatically occurs.

[BainsBane]

107. I know that flag is an automated process

Two hides in 12 hours, the computer puts you on flag. Flag is not manual. Firstly, the administrators aren't around much on weekends, and if they had decided to do something about him, he would simply be banned. So there has to be something related to PMs that got him flagged since he isn't able to post. How exactly that works, I don't know.

[boston bean]

111. Flag is an automated function for two hides in a twenty four hour period. I am aware.

Are you stating there is an automatic function for alerts sent on private DU Mail?

I don't think so. I think someone probably had to switch someone to flagged for review. Which begs the question, why just flag, why not further action.

That is all I am saying. Unless you are telling me for sure that there is some automatic mechanism that puts people on flagged for review due to alerts sent on private du emails, that go directly to admins....

[BainsBane]

116. As I said

I know someone who got flagged for sending a certain number of PMs. The system did it automatically.
Beyond that you'd need to ask in ATA.

[boston bean]

128. Had no idea that was a software capability.

Good to know. I think Kali probably asked in ATA. I'll try to remember to look to see if she gets an answer.

[seabeyond]

108. i love using pm when i am kicked off du. i talk to lots of people when i am not allowed to post.

i do not abuse the privilege either. i agree with baines. i would not like to see me denied ability to communicate with du when penalized for five hides.

[Kali]

109. that is a tough one

I know I talked to someone via PMs when they were on a time-out - and they aren't any kind of troll at all - so that is a two edged thing. I think it would be better if the alerted on PMs had a real effect (like a PPR!) rather than just disappearing into the ether with no apparent action.

I suspect when admins return this will be finally taken care of.

[Gormy Cuss]

2. I hope that earns the sender a granite cookie.

That's flat out sexual harassment of the puerile variety.

[boston bean]

3. I did send an alert to the admin from my inbox.

We'll see what happens.

[TDale313]

6. I'm glad you reported it.

Totally inappropriate, IMO. And yes, this poster needs more than just a time out.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

5. Timed outs can send PMs and vote in polls /Flagged for review is total lockout.

CFLDem is a nasty piece of work. I would call him the T word but, unless the Admin see it that way then I don't want to chance a hide.

He is not sincere. His sarcasm and disdain for DU literally drips from each post he makes.

[boston bean]

7. Yeah, I guess you are right. He recommended this thread.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

8. Some people crave attention no matter if it is positive or negative. They have bought into their own

PR = Any time their name is in print it is a good thing.

This would be like me recc-ing "My Fan Club" thread over in TMG

Instead, I trashed the group and, it no longer shows up in my scroll.

[boston bean]

10. or it's plain old internet stalking....

to exert control over others by trying making web spaces uncomfortable others.

This one here is a bit overt to say the least, so you may be right, that he is looking for any attention, that it's negative, doesn't matter. Sort of like a three year old demanding attention by doing bad things. Hasn't yet learned that positive attention is better. Yet, some of the postings can give you a real insight into the mind. Read the transparency page....

[Tuesday Afternoon]

22. Exactly. And I definitely consider the PM to Cross A Line. I have noticed that a lot of TMG regulars

have boundary issues. They have no boundaries. I am not sure they even understand the concept.

[Squinch]

25. Clearly it is this. Way too much attention and energy devoted to a group he disagrees with,

and now he's PM stalking individual members? The kindest thing the admins could do to this one is to force him to step away from his computer and go find, um, other life interests.

[boston bean]

34. I would be happy if they were some kindness shown to me and make it so this

poster can't harass women any longer on DU. He has a place over on discussionist where he can be as misogynist as he would like.

[seabeyond]

9. administration is aware he sends us these emails to taunt. i guess alerting them they

merely banned him from pming me anymore. and that is all.

he posts on disc, and says the nastiest things about women. i guess he is still welcome on du.

[seaglass]

15. What is his name on Discussionist sea? There are so many nasty misogynists over there it's hard to

tell one from another.

On edit - I don't expect you to really tell me and please don't - too much of a hide risk.

[seabeyond]

16. "President of the SeaBeyond fan club" sillly me to think administration even went the distance of

stopping him from pm. i guess nothing came of him taunting me with the c word, only the lost pm.

what a way to handle the issue.

take away the offending harassment and conclude, job well done.

just got another pm to let me know he could pm

[seabeyond]

17. and he is watching this thread closely, in pure giggles i am sure, having responded so quickly

to my posts....

[boston bean]

20. Somethings wrong where someone can send DU mails to harass.

I suppose admin will say, well you can block him from sending you mail and you won't ever have to read his du mails.

However, I think that is cowardly. I for one would like to know what someone sends to me, so I know what I am dealing with. I will choose whether to respond or not after being able to read what they write, thank you!

[seabeyond]

24. and to simply step in and take the pm out of my box is a bit offensive. i am more like you

not easily bothered threatened or intimidated. i would prefer to keep the info, since administration chooses to do nothing, to use in later discussions when it is relevant. i do not have that option now, cause administration felt the answer was simply to hide the offense.

[boston bean]

27. They just removed the email from your inbox, but not him from DU. Where he is free to continue on.

well, most people don't find this to be acceptable, whether admin does or not. I know just thinking that women would be afforded just a tad bit of protection from this shit, may just be too much to ask.

We'll see. DU is all about transparency and I think admin would agree it that they are part and parcel of that transparency for good or bad.

That is why I chose to make it public. They can do what they want. But at least all will know what it is they will or will not do.

[seabeyond]

28. again. i look at it as you do. respectfully, but yes. stating it out loud. transparency for all

i feel that should be acceptable.

i read a post in ATA yesterday. someone asking to tighten up misogynist issues in TOS. with elections coming up of a woman, wouldnt we want to tighten up the guidelines.

skinner said something like... (and i will get it if anyone wants it).... this is not about what skinner thinks, but the community.

so basically, what i heard was if the community is into misogyny, then that is what du will be.

[redqueen]

44. Fucking nauseating.

All the feminists who have left this board are right.

[seaglass]

18. wow - this place is shit. n/t

[Chathamization]

35. Jury Results:

On Sat Jun 14, 2014, 11:04 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

wow - this place is shit. n/t
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1255&pid=45212

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Complaining about DU

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sat Jun 14, 2014, 11:12 AM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: In the thread's context, the opinion is not rude, etc. I have never made a comment about the motives of alerters before now, but this time I will say that this appears to be a nuisance or stalking alert.
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Makes sense in the context of the thread (which isn't in GD, but a small subgroup). Also, wouldn't surprise me if the alerter isn't someone that's a poster in that subgroup.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: It is complaining about DU, but that is the unofficial SOP of HOF.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[boston bean]

36. Juror # 5 call HoF a sub group and states that one of us in the "sub group" are

probably alerting on ourselves! WTF, am I reading that wrong?

But thank you for the leave vote!

Sub group??????

[seaglass]

37. I love jury comments - don't you? They are so telling.

[seabeyond]

38. i picked up on 7 that all but stated we are suppose to take this shit quietly. and ya. i read 5

the way you did.

i figured poster confusing. talking another subgroup

[boston bean]

40. Juror # 7 has NO issues at all with HoF! LOL

I guess it is only those who do have an issue with us who can speak.

I have a new saying... Since we are perpetually accused of doing what no man or woman has been able to do prior to the the existence of HoF.

Divide the ALWAYS Undivided DU.

Quite a feat... NOT.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

73. I am not sure if I ever seen DU united as One. Even threads that get a high number of Recs have

detractors posting in them with an opposite viewpoint.

Good heavens we can not even decide between puppies or kittens!

[Chathamization]

55. Eh, sorry, that's my mistake.

I tend to think of DU as being Groups (Gender & Orientation) -> Subgroups (History of Feminism), but you're right, they're Topics (Gender & Orientation) -> Groups (History of Feminism). The point I was trying to make is that on the smaller forums you expect the conversations to be different from those on places like General Discussion (where I first assumed the post was).

"Also, wouldn't surprise me if the alerter isn't someone that's a poster in that subgroup." -> Was saying that it wouldn't surprise me if the alerter was an outsider ("isn't someone that's a poster&quot , but you're right, that could be read the opposite way as well.

[boston bean]

58. Ah! okay! Thanks so much for the clarification!

I can see that!

[seabeyond]

59. thanks for the clarification. thanks for the jury post. i kinda figured it was a mix up. nt

[seaglass]

68. Yes, thanks Chatamization. n/t

[Tuesday Afternoon]

69. I took it that way but, thanks for clairfying. I am pretty sure it is someone who lurks here rather

than someone who regularly posts here in HoF.

Does CFLDem still have alerting privileges? If so, he could very well have been the alerter.

[seabeyond]

71. "Does CFLDem still have alerting privileges?" of course he does.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

72. LOL

of Course he does

[seabeyond]

74. be careful with the laughing. civility, you know. lol. have a god day. i am off to play. going

to an outdoor play in the canyon tonight. the best.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

75. I am jealous! Peagreen with Envy! This is my weekend to work. *sigh* have fun, sea

[BainsBane]

97. We have such a large fan club

It's impossible to narrow it down to just one.

[Agschmid]

80. If you alert on yourself it goes to admin.

So that is a stupid assertion by that someone.

[boston bean]

82. That person did not mean it as I took it. Please see upthread.

[Agschmid]

83. Whoops...

I skim sometimes. Thanks.

[ismnotwasm]

21. Him again?

I thought he went away. And yes you can send email while in limbo. And CFLDem, if you are talking about the current rage for punctuation innuendo and in a sexual capacity, the answer would be Gay men and straight women.

Now tap your heels together 3 times and say "there's no place like discussionist, there's no place like discussionist...

[seabeyond]

26. "there's no place like discussionist, there's no place like discussionist...

you are funny. we do not get to see this side of you often. too funny. not enough coffee yet, and still i chuckle.

[Stargazer09]

23. Wow

That's some childish garbage right there.

[CrispyQ]

42. This whole week has been a repeat of junior high.

I take that back - the boys in my junior high were not as immature as some of the shit I've seen this week. I'm embarrassed to tell people I come here from last weeks thread titles. I have not used the hide thread feature as often as this week.

I will not be buying hearts at DU anymore & I find DISC even more appalling than this place.

[seabeyond]

43. the tell, is it seems like we are being told how "smoothly" discussionist is running. totally

ignoring the rampant misogyny. i think that says a lot.

and the point of jr high, boys will be boys. honestly. only certain boys, raised certain ways. cause that is not the reality of many boys i know and see, listen to and watch.

[redqueen]

46. "ignoring the rampant misogyny. i think that says a lot."

You're damn right it does.

Speaks fucking volumes.

[seaglass]

47. Yes, because we all know that rampant misogyny is not uncivil. n/t

[seabeyond]

51. right. speaking out against it? ya. but, you are right. in some's view. nt

[BainsBane]

99. Smoothly because anything goes

blatant racism, misogyny, homophobia.

[seabeyond]

110. ya. lol. that is what i thought. a board for the menz, and the women that do not care they

are dissed as a gender, talked down to, denigrated.... then it is very smooth. certainly no headache for them. i agree. do women post in that forum?

[Squinch]

29. PS, Boston, I think this should be cross posted in General Discussion.

[boston bean]

30. If you would like to, I have no issue with it!

It certainly goes along with all the other discussions.

[seabeyond]

31. another point. another example. hof gets blamed for any and all shit. yet... we do not post the

sexist bullshit, or antagonize with offensive pms.

was again. we sit here minding our own business and it is the misogynist assholes poking with a stick

then if there is any kind of reaction. the horrors. look at those hof women.

[boston bean]

32. no doubt some think I've committed a huge atrocity by posting this.

And that it is my fault that I am getting unsolicited du mails of this nature.

Probably has been alerted on for all I know.

[seabeyond]

33. it probably has been alerted on, lol. you are right. nt

[ismnotwasm]

39. He sent me a couple.

I just thought "what an idiot" And yes we can talk shit about someone on review, well I don't know about starting a new thread, but Skinner said this in ATA

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12596090

[redqueen]

48. Meanwhile Bains got a hide for a fucking smiley.

Civility is NOT what this is about.

[boston bean]

50. really, can you post or send the link to that?

[redqueen]

56. I don't know how I'd search for it.

It was discussed a few times since then.

[seabeyond]

60. i saw it around. i did not see the original. until after i heard talk about it. baines....

can let you know, i am sure.

[ismnotwasm]

52. Seriously?

I know there were a bunch of stupid punctuation threads, I was at work the last three days, so I just peeked--And she got a hide after some of the dumbass shit I saw?

[BainsBane]

57. It was a couple of weeks ago

I can send you the details if you like. I won't post the links here for fear of another hide.

[ismnotwasm]

70. Please do

Last edited Sat Jun 14, 2014, 01:14 PM - Edit history (1)

I just hid another punctuation thread, I just don't want to deal with too much stupid today, I've been working a lot and with some very sad situations

[redqueen]

61. This was weeks ago. nt

[seabeyond]

54. Civility is NOT what this is about.

being one that gets hides, flags, and kicked off. every time i hear it, it is like a big old belly laugh at me... for sure.

meh

but, it is what it is.

[redqueen]

64. Yep. nt

[alittlelark]

41. OK.... that's rather disturbing....

in too many ways.

[noiretextatique]

49. if my vote counts at all

This poster should be banned. Enough already!

[sybylla]

76. So if this kind of stuff doesn't get the sender booted

Then maybe everyone needs to take it into their own hands. The minute you get crap like this, alert, then copy it to a post just like this.

Everyone can then act appropriately - block the offender, make them honorary members of the teeny peeny club, or whatever won't get you tombstoned.

On the other hand, if you're getting tombstoned for highlighting another poster's misogyny (or other misbehavior), then maybe this isn't the place for any of us to be anymore.

In fact, I'd like to see that this is getting taken care of before I give another dime to DU.

[octoberlib]

85. This PM is creepy and disgusting.

I would post every pm you get from this guy in ATA to make sure everybody sees them , along with Skinner's response to them.

[Agschmid]

100. Yup.

[Rhiannon12866]

112. Excellent idea!

[boston bean]

113. If admin responds. Many times there is just no response.

So, the post sits there and no one knows what is written.

[Rhiannon12866]

114. I've noticed that, but think this is important enough to warrant a response

Sending offensive PMs is clearly something the admins frown on.

[MadrasT]

115. Yeah that was my thought.

Somebody is way overdue for a PPR.

I would like to say I can't believe the bullshit that goes on here, but it is just more par for the course.

Fucking grade school bullshit, frat boy bullshit, good old boy bullshit.

Same old same old.

BOOBIES!!!!!!!!!! NIPPLES!!!!!!!!!!! Hur hur hur. Yuk yuk yuk.

Grow up already.

Idiots.

[Sheldon Cooper]

118. Hey look - cfl dem created a dummy account just to stop in and say hi!

Now, go away.

[MadrasT]

134. And I missed the entertainment.

I think l'll live.

[ismnotwasm]

119. Like this?

[The Magistrate]

121. Damn, Skippy....

I think we can safely award the 'Most Fucked-Up Post Of The Year' trophy safely here, even though there are still six months to go....

[ismnotwasm]

124. LoL

Yeah, that was fucked up. As well as being stupid.

[ismnotwasm]

123. My daughter spend a year in Afghanistan

And yeah, we'll fight them. So will my SIL and my son. So will other female soldiers

You think you're scary little boy?

[ismnotwasm]

126. Right

Obama would kick your pathetic ass Child.

Little boy, poor little boy. I fought on the street here. My children fought over there, and here you are an impotent little thing with no power at all.

[seabeyond]

129. did a little boy have to come in here and prove his power and dominance over us "little wimminz"

silly boy. needs to go hide under mammas aprons, from the mean ole feminists.....

[ismnotwasm]

130. Yup

And show off big guns and armored cars. Because he knows everyone on DU personally and exactly what we have or haven't done, presumably because we're feminists. I bet he thinks every post here is by a female too.

Well you can't fix stupid or mommy issues.

[sufrommich]

93. There's a lot of 4th graders stuck in

adult bodies here,the threads with drawings of body parts with the resulting giggles was cringeworthy.It doesn't surprise me in the least that there was an attempt to draw a feminist into it,that's why crap like that gets posted in the first place. That being said,if your stalker doesn't get the boot for that,nothing will and he no doubt knows that.

[nomorenomore08]

131. WTF is he on about?

Being attracted to the female body sure as hell doesn't necessitate acting like a 7th-grader.

[seaglass]

135. He's done.

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On edit: and I noticed because I now have an opening on my Jury Blacklist

[BainsBane]

136. Excellent