Is anyone else as amused as I am by the big kefuffle currently playing in GD?

[Sheldon Cooper]

Decrying hidden posts and censorship while at the same time telling those who don't like it to stfu? I've been giggling about this for two days now.

[redqueen]

1. I'm amused that people are so oblivious.

I really don't get why it's so hard to see the difference between using bigoted words and insults to portray racists as racist and using bigoted words and insults to insult rightwingers.

Seriously you'd think people here could grasp this not-even-slightly vague difference.

[Sheldon Cooper]

3. Yeah.

It seems to be a pretty straight forward concept. But the way that some people are absolutely losing their shit over it is just comical.

[redqueen]

6. The words 'hair on fire' have never seemed more appropriate.

One threas got hidden ans it's like someone denied an ice cream cone to the most poorly raised, entitled brat ever.

[TheBlackAdder]

59. Would the real Sheldon have misspelled Kerfuffle? nt

[randys1]

2. I completely understand why someone would be bothered by certain words or phrases

But I like the George Carlin approach to words and censorship, and the goal should be as little censorship as possible, no matter how bothersome it can be.

No, we cant allow certain words to be used, there are only a few, and George would have disagreed with that even, so we do have lines but if this is about rude pundit and the phrase used there, it was very reactive to hide that or report it or whatever happened.

We have to be much thicker skinned than that, IMO...

But i completely understand that while we are allowing same there will be obnoxious and hurtful words or comments involved.

i just read the post above mine and maybe I am confused what this is about, i thought it was about Cheney and rude pundit and sucking things.

[kcr]

67. Calling others out on their misogyny and racism isn't censorship

Freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from the consequences of it or freedom to be an asshole wherever you please. Cries of censorship, particularly on the internet, aren't always legitimate. Sometimes it's just a means to shut other people up. I don't think everyone, everywhere has to tolerate these assholes without saying or doing anything about it. It's telling that the "censorship!" crowd doesn't extend their philosophy of "freedom of speech" to everyone.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

4. It is pretty funny but, from now on I am judging all DU threads against this classic

and I think we fall short ...

http://theconcourse.deadspin.com/rainbow-cake-recipe-inspires-comment-apocalypse-1592575661

[Sheldon Cooper]

9. OMG my sides are aching. That was too funny!

I think I may have to go into every RP thread in GD right now and just post the word 'fart'.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

11. IKR !!

Tears streaming down my cheeks, FUNNY Shit in that thread.

I really did laugh until I cried reading that.

[IronLionZion]

18. That was really awesome!

And here I had always thought Australians were happy fun loving people.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

20. They take their Rainbow cakes seriously over there! -

And don't get me started on Freezing Numbers

[IronLionZion]

26. Until its frozen!

I googled how long does it take to freeze a cake and it is apparently a difficult thing to calculate with lots of variables that factor in.


That recipe looks incredibly amazing.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

28. Truly makes me want to see one in real life. And, honestly Our Cooking and Baking Group

need to crank it up a notch. These Aussies are making us look like a bunch of amateurs

[Violet_Crumble]

45. To be fair I blame the Americans in that thread

I usually only see comment apocalypse things erupt over at news.com.au

[IronLionZion]

46. Oh here's an Aussie coming to start some shit

on our site, well you can just go @#%$# your #^^&%$ up your ^%$#%^ you stupid commie %^$#%$#! Misandry! Go hug a platypus! And you're a terrible mother! Every real baker knows that Washington, DC is the greatest capital city and Canberra is not! Obviously!

[Violet_Crumble]

63. Them's fighting words!

I'd jump boots and all into a 'which is a far crappier built on a swamp city than Canberra? Washington DC or Washington DC?' battle, but I'm vastly outnumbered and surrounded by Americans here at DU, so I won't

[Tuesday Afternoon]

49. well, the news I can understand but, a cake ... ? Pretty awesome cake.

not so much the cake as the frozen numbers. That is what kicked it off and away they ran

How do you know who were the Americans?

Did it have where they lived? I missed that part.

[Violet_Crumble]

64. How did I know who the Americans were?

If you were a real baker, you would already know the answer to that

Nah, I spotted some in the discussion of liberals and politics coz of the spelling and a few things like that...

btw, that whole thing was hilarious. Thanks for posting it. I've been dragged into one of those share a recipe email things at work, so I'm posting the link to the rainbow cake and the apocalyptic comments section tomorrow

[Tuesday Afternoon]

65. LOL

Real Bakers!!

I never thought about it but, I guess Aussies spell the English way with the "u" in places where Americans have dropped that "u".
Plus, we call things differently. I just didn't notice it in that exchange, I was too busy LMAO.

Literally, tears started rolling down my cheeks I was laughing so hard.

[Hekate]

61. I think it was the Americans who brought in the Culture Wars

Liberal commies, Founding Fathers.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

66. a-ha. yeah. Those would be the Americans.

[gollygee]

32. HAHA

That's hilarious.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

34. I see they have their own version of one of our esteemed DUers -

Gavrilo Pincip: *shoots Archduke Ferdinand*

Archduke Ferdinand: *dies*

Jeanette Daniels Benziger: "I enjoy this motorcade and will recommend it to my niece."

I'm sorry, Jeanette, but it's far too late for this kind of sentiment.

I leave it to your own imagination as to which DUer.

[Squinch]

41. Still laughing out loud on that one!!

[arikara]

47. This deserves its own post

Series.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

50. I found it in the lounge.

[Generic Other]

48. OMG, that was like a breastfeeding pitbull at Olive Garden thread!

I guess we all need to go to Charm School.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

51. It was epic, yep. and yes, let me know when common decency comes back in style. Actually,

maybe I should open a Charm School ... yeah, that's the ticket

[bravenak]

52. That was so awesome!!

I read the whole thing and i was dying!!!! I see that conversation here all the time.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

53. I think it was funnier to me than over here because I had nothing vested in the one over there.

Frozen numbers ... ?

[bravenak]

54. 3 words. Jeanette Daniels Benziger.

Hindenburg: [explodes]

Dozens: [die]

Jeanette Daniels Benziger: "I admire this airship and will recommend it to my uncle."

I could not stop laughing!!!

[Tuesday Afternoon]

55. Jeanette Daniels Benziger would make an AWESOME username !

along with Prudet

[bravenak]

57. I am sad i missed Prudet.:(

I must find it so i can enjoy myself as much as y'all.

[Warpy]

58. Oh, too funny!

And they never did say what they did wrong with the cake at the top of the page. It looks like it went through a firing squad, blood all over the place!

[Tuesday Afternoon]

60. maybe the unfrozen number exploded all over it ... ?

[Hekate]

62. Absolutely classic.

I've just sent it to my sister.

[kcr]

68. Hilarious

I thought of DU though when I read that

[BainsBane]

5. Fascinating how they have decided three women in HOF are soley responsible

for hiding that post. When I pointed out that was not the case, at least not for me, I was told I wasn't a real feminist anyway, just a whiner. Then a juror insisted that someone who had been on the lines of planned parenthood earned the right to insult me.

[redqueen]

7. I'm so fucking sick of dudes pulling that card.

Being an escort at abortion clinics doesn't give dudes a pass for anything. And it sure doesn't make everything they do feminist or give them special feminist dude privileges.

[BainsBane]

8. It's always the ones who have issues with feminists

that pull that card. The ones who call women "skanky snatches" or think they have a right to call women c...ts whenever they feel like it, and no true feminist would object to being treated that way. I have never told another woman who considered herself a feminist that she really wasn't one because she disagreed with me on issues. Yet people who consider campaigns against rape and violence against women to be "whining" are the first to insist anyone who voices views that men don't approve of aren't real feminists. When a man insist someone has to follow his agenda to be considered a real feminist, something is seriously wrong. I get the feeling their ideal feminists are red pill women.

[redqueen]

12. Yep it is. They're so sad about all the political correctness and feminism gone too far.

Gee where else do people whine about that shit?

[Tuesday Afternoon]

10. see, I find that boring. I have to admit I have not even read most of these threads.

DU stares into its own navel way too much. Pull out the lint and move on. So much going on in this world to get tore down about some of this stuff.

As soon as some dudebro pulls out the feminist card I am outta the thread and moving on to other matters.

[boston bean]

13. I was called a prudet! LOL

If you read the responses they are childish, not very logical, ironic, and hypocritical.

It makes me chuckle..

[BainsBane]

14. a prudette?

as in a mini-prude?

[boston bean]

15. It was spelled as I wrote, but I think they meant "prudette"! LOL

[BainsBane]

16. Fitting that it was misspelled

[Tuesday Afternoon]

22. A prudet ... ?

Does that make them a bidet ... ?

[kcr]

69. If I didn't know better, my impression from DU and other message boards

is that the favorite hobby of many abortion clinic escorts is to attack feminists and derail discussions of feminism.

[BainsBane]

72. Love your observation

[redqueen]

73. !

[KitSileya]

17. It is especially galling when people who you would think are on the right side,

undermines our cause by using the same attacks on republican women as they do on liberal women. Not only does it give us a very big heads-up that this person isn't an ally, and doesn't want to be an ally (because he isn't interested in hearing the opinions of the people who are actually discriminated against,) it also makes it difficult for us to go on the attack against republicans. Republicans just say, but your side does it too, look at that "ally"!

A man doesn't get to decide whether to use the c-word is ok. Sorry, but that's how how being an ally works. I don't get to decide whether using homophobic slurs are ok, because I am a member of the privileged class when it comes to sexual orientation and gender identity. I don't get to decide whether using the n-word is ok, and if it is, who gets to use it, because I am white. I have no problem with that...because I want to be an ally to LGBTQIAG people, and to people of color. So, when they discuss the use of slurs, reclaimed or otherwise, I shut up, listen, and try my best to respect their wishes.

What so many DUers are doing, is so very republican-like, I am afraid the board is in its last death throes as a a credible place to discuss progressive, liberal ideas. As a place that should be moderately safe for minorities, we have ample evidence it is not any of the kind. They whine that DU will become a place where only certain opinions are accepted (read: only 'harpy' feminist opinions, with a few "anti-white" threads thrown in for good measure) but don't realize that DU is already a place where only certain opinions are accepted - mostly Republican-lite in social matters.

The hypocrisy might be amusing, but it is also quite sad, because it is yet another nail in the coffin of the idea that was such a grand one, Democratic Underground.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

27. sad, idn't it.

The hypocrisy might be amusing, but it is also quite sad, because it is yet another nail in the coffin of the idea that was such a grand one, Democratic Underground.

[MadrasT]

19. I am amazed.

It's like watching a room full of 3-year-olds have a collective temper tantrum. The ones screaming about "delicate flowers" and such need to take a hard look in the mirror.

So one person got a post hidden for posting homophobic/misogynistic term, and it's the death of DU, I tell you, the end times are here.

The thing that I think is truly hilarious is that the piece in question is extremely sex negative. It's portraying specific sex acts as being awful and shameful things, to insult people we don't like. That's the delicious icing on the (very tasty) cake... the free speech, sex positive brigade is shouting loudly in support of quintessential sex negative, shaming language.

Nothing in the world wrong with fellatio or vibrators, when used by adults in a consenting way to produce pleasure. But when you portray giving fellatio as a demeaning, shameful act, and portray the use of vibrators as some kind of deranged activity.... oh yeah, that's real "sex positive", DU.



And anyone not on board with everything about that rant loves Dick Cheney now. Or something.

I appreciate a good rant as much as many people, but in this case, the specific language used deserves to be criticized. What is staggering is the number of people who can't handle the suggestion that the language is problematic, and as you pointed out, are screaming at the top of their lungs that "the CENSORS who want to CENSOR US have to SHUT UP!!!". It's awesome.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

25. exactly.

I have to stay out of these threads.

I have my own rules about all this:

Rule#1. If ever I am tempted to ask how old is a poster, I lose. They win. Quit posting in that thread. Move on.

Rule#2. If ever I am tempted to tell a poster to Grow Up, I lose. They win. Quit posting in that thread. Move on.

Notice, I get out of threads pretty quickly in GD

[dawg]

21. I was told that there was nothing at all misogynistic or homophobic about that post ...

and also that DU was being ruined by a bunch of "pansies" with their "panties" in a bunch and that maybe I would be better off reading the "Ladies Home Journal".

[BainsBane]

23. LOL

You can't make that shit up.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

24. I saw that one.

good lord, the stupid on here.

[redqueen]

31. Right?

I'm readinf this shit thinking do you even see the words you're typing now? Do you understand what they mean?

[dawg]

33. I gave them the benefit of the doubt on ...

"clutching pearls" and "delicate flowers". I can see how those could be gender/orientation neutral.

But I did take a little umbrage to the person who posted a picture of Aunt Bea.

[BainsBane]

35. I haven't read the thread

but I think I know who you're talking about. Now I have to find out if I'm right. Was it Boston's thread or another?

[dawg]

37. I don't remember. All those threads sort of run together in my mind.

I can't even begin to sort them all out.

[ismnotwasm]

44. Oh my sweet Jesus

Speechless

[JoeyT]

29. Now they've started going for gold in the irony olympics.

Apparently the PC police are totally making this like a conservative or Republican site!

And what comes up on a google search for PC police?

After the obligatory wikipedia and urban dictionary links that show up first on everything, we have, in the order they appear:

Fox News.
Daily Beast quoting Ben Carson about his defiance of the PC police objecting to him defining marriage as one man one woman
Renew America.
Daily Caller
youngcons.com
Washington Examiner
townhall.com quoting Ben Carson
And finally a link that isn't a far right shithole...and it's The Guardian reporting on uh....a Police Commissioner and abbreviating his title.

[redqueen]

36. They definitely have all three medals in the 'not understanding what context means' competition

[redqueen]

30. I can't take it...

You can't make this shit up!

[nilram]

38. I pretty much ignore them.

Along with cute/heroic animal posts and other stuff I deem to not be news. Ok, I'll view an occasional animal post, but not rec them. Except maybe once. But I come here for policy, politics, and progressive news and I'm overall happy with what people post.

[BainsBane]

39. I got called an ugly old bat

essentially, and it wasn't hidden. All this talk about HOF being "protected" is bullshit.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

56. did you really ... ? LOL

oh lord.

We should write a story = Prudette, The Ugly Old Bat

[freshwest]

70. I've only been invited to leave DU if I don't enthusiatically trash an OP, or had huge diatribes in

response to 5 word posts I've made, for even just writing '+1' to poster saying they agreed with something, but it's me they go batshit on for some reason...

One thread, I was hit with an epic barrage of loaded questions for a neutral reply, posted to me by a very long time member who had never talked to me before but I had Rec'd and thanked him and suggested people go to his OPs for a long time. I'd never seen him make long replies to anyone before, so I was surprised to get his undivided rage as my very first reply from him. Let's just say I found the compliment lacking.

I spent an hour answering the furious questions and inneudoes line by line in my reply. When I asked a few questions as to where I'd ever posted anything in line with his accusations, he didn't answer, just said, oops, he didn't understand after being so verbose.

But when a man said the exact same 5 words I did, further downthread, same poster high fived him.

Huh. Makes you wonder.

Another 5 word response stated a legal situation I'm very familiar with but it generated a full batshit attack of how I was aiming to take someone's rights away, that had nothing to do with what I said. I was going to spend time to answer the wall of yelling, then thought, WTH, I don't have to answer an OTT comment like that. I mean, it was ugly. At least the poster had gotten their daily exercise by jumping to a conclusion and flailing about wildly.

So when another poster responded to the poster, I explained to him in full on the topic, after he received a respectful reply from the accusing poster. I wasn't about to answer batshit, but batshit could read it. And no doubt did, but left his post to me stand. His post got the attention of some of my 'fan club' as well.

In every case where I've been gone after, a string of people on my Ignore list show up to respond to my post after the first one. Since I don't see them, I guess it's just another pile on fest. Which you seem to get a lot of here.

It gets tiring trying to tailor one's responses to avoid what some poster wants to vent on, because it's not the topic, it's you. Most of my 'fan club' is on my Ignore list, my 'talk to the hand' place for them.

It's not that I don't want to read their opinion on the issues, but I won't put up with personal attacks, not about disagreeing with my views. It's their opinion of me as a person, name calling, OTT stuff, FU's and threats to get me banned. The reason I have that rule is I don't make personal attacks, not even snark, so I ignore those who cannot control themselves. After all, we're supposed to be here to talk about issues, not each other's lives unless they want to bring it up. Even if I think a person who makes OPs or tells things about their own life may or may not be honest, I don't 'go there.'

DU is like real life in that respect. There are people in real life I don't choose to associate with and it's the same as DU, which is not something I'm forced to be apart of, but am here for information, opinion and fun. I'd advise you to not answer such stuff at all and remember you have a lot of friends here who respect your views and your passions.

[BainsBane]

71. I didn't know you were subject to that kind of treatment

You are always so civil. Would you mind PMing the names of some of your fan club?

[rock]

40. Me, me!

I call it the "my dog doesn't bark" rule. Also note I've already mentioned in a couple of posts that DU is getting very thin-skinned and becoming a bunch of fuddy-duddies.

[Squinch]

42. There are a lot of really funny beliefs being revealed in there about what censorship means, too.

I think some of them can't distinguish between censorship and "she disagreed with me and now I am sad!!!!!!"

[ismnotwasm]

43. I trashed every thread

After one reply in one. Too much dumbassery, and too many trolls.

Do you think they know what they sound like?

On the other hand, TRP makes no bones about who he is. I never read him.