this post was allowed to stand by a jury ....

[Tuesday Afternoon]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1018745639

this is what goes on in the lounge.

Our Lounge.

[bravenak]

1. Disgusting.

I notice that guy from time to time. Not cool.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

4. so.not.cool.

[freshwest]

37. I thought he was banned from DU2? n/t

[ismnotwasm]

2. Ew.

It was locked at least.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

3. the very least.

this is community standards? this had to go be discussed in the host's group? really?

it needed discussion?

[sheshe2]

24. Survived a jury....

then had to be 'discussed' by the hosts!!??? Dear Gawd!

[seabeyond]

5. interesting we need to make rape pretty for some. especially as nothing is pretty about rape,

ever.... hence the incredibly disgusting Op.

wow.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

7. sea, will be leaving for work shortly.

I realize this is just a message board as Logical so impolitely reminded me in a Very Unrequested PM.

He thinks I am cute when I am angry and that I am flirting with him.

I have sent it ALL to the admin.

My replies to him included.

[ismnotwasm]

15. What a dumbass

Not to mention unoriginal. "Cute when you're mad"????

I'm fucking scary when I'm mad. Much cuter when talking to intelligent persons. I suspect the same of you, but we try to stay civil on a "message board" do we not?

Blech.

[awoke_in_2003]

31. He's a host? mt

[Tuesday Afternoon]

34. No, neither backwoodsbob or Logical are hosts ...

Since a jury did not Hide the post which would have locked the OP/thread ... it went to Host Group and they have to get consensus to lock threads.

Current Host list for the main forums:
1 Cali_Democrat 87
2 Raine1967 79
3 MineralMan 74
4 fishwax 69
5 Autumn 63
6 William769 61
7 In_The_Wind 59
8 Hassin Bin Sober 58
9 Rhiannon12866 57
10 hunter 56
11 NutmegYankee 53
12 LeftishBrit 53
13 Sissyk 52
14 DonViejo 52
15 etherealtruth 52
16 OKNancy 50
17 one_voice 45
18 Ptah 44
19 aikoaiko 43
20 Violet_Crumble 43
21 libodem 38
22 Terra Alta 14
23 hibbing 14
24 NYC_SKP 12
25 Go Vols 11
26 greatauntoftriplets 10
27 Warren DeMontague 8
28 cbayer 8
29 Nye Bevan 4
30 charlie and algernon 4

[awoke_in_2003]

35. that's a list of solid DUers. nt

[Tuesday Afternoon]

46. I see one on there that is consistently an MRA supporter. YMMV.

[BainsBane]

59. The hosts did their job

They weren't the problem here.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

62. .

[freshwest]

38. Well, isn't that just precious. Hope the Admins take notice. n/t

[LanternWaste]

73. Why do his actions not surprise me? Why am I not surprised when a new puppy poops on the floor...?

"as Logical so impolitely reminded me in a Very Unrequested PM. He thinks I am cute when I am angry and that I am flirting with him..."

Why do his actions not surprise me? Why am I not surprised when a new puppy poops on the floor...?

[Tuesday Afternoon]

74. yeah, pretty much

it is the logical way of things

[seabeyond]

6. and why any juror would think he chose rape for any other reason than be disgusting,

is beyond me.

ya

it stood jury.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

9. I would love to see a demographic breakdown of that jury.

Last edited Sat Apr 4, 2015, 10:43 PM - Edit history (1)

although, god knows, middle class white men would be a jury of backwoodsbob's peers.

but, NOT a JURY of MY PEERS and that is why I get the hide and they don't.

It does not take a rocket doctor to figure it out.

edited for clarity.

[freshwest]

39. Sex for money. Married women referred to as being in 'the world's second oldest profession.'

We know their name for 'the world's oldest profession' for women is. Saw the support and suggestions on the thread, too.

The Lounge is not welcoming to all of us, even those of us who understand the humor of some.

Another thread was sentimental, but offended the politics of one poster, who attacked it in a particularly ugly fashion. The Lounge is just as much a minefield as GD.

The Lounge is not that friendly nor is it always non-political, so apparently the Lounge SOP is hard to enforce.

I don't find it a welcoming place and seldom post there. If I want a break from GD, I go to groups.

[seabeyond]

8. maybe that is suppose to be the "rape" joke we are all suppose to lighten up and laugh at

i just cannot believe someone would say something so stupid. lol. i mean.

i didnt read that OP. i didnt know that other thread was off this. i knew it was like this. but didnt know he wanted a giggle at rape. wow.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

10. that is the thing with the lounge. If one does not know the background and the history

one does not understand therefore juries are ignorant as to what is the truth.

[CTyankee]

18. how long has it been very explicitly known that rape is NEVER a joking matter?

At least within the progressive community? Haven't people with such attitudes been banned from the site?

[Tuesday Afternoon]

23. You are right. Should have been a no brainier

O-7 Hide It.

I am speaking to the brouhaha that was instigated by subsequent OPs by this same poster.

Thanks for commenting and letting me clarify.

[freshwest]

40. I did not see those. Please PM if you have the time. TIA. Maybe I'll understand better. n/t

[Tuesday Afternoon]

42. Hey freshwest ... just look for posts by backwoodsbob in the lounge for the past 24-48 hours

you will only have to go back a couple of pages.

There are several posts where he talks about buying his wife a car for her b'day and the hijinks that he is sure will ensue as she will show proper gratitude for his largesse.

also, please notice the people that participate in these threads and egg him on.

It takes more than one egg to bake a cake.

This is NOT his first performance art by any means. He has a history of being, shall we say, provocative ....

on edit: A-Schwarzenegger has provided a link below.

[freshwest]

43. Thanks, but I don't Lounge, for that reason. And saw A's links, wow. IIRC he was banned from DU2.

I remember all the stories he used to tell, from being lonely after a divorce, and impoverished sitting with his dogs in his cabin, to getting a high paying job and a fancy car, and a girl friend. Or something like that. Seemed to have a consumerist mindset. But his earlier tales may be why he is supported by some now. If it is the same person, that is? But I don't want to sign onto to DU2 to search it out. I don't know if we are crossing the line talking about him here, but in this group, such things are discussed. I think the economic aspect is the main thing, not the person espousing it.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

44. crossing a line ... perhaps.

I need to think about this. There is something here that is wrong, freshwest but, I can not put it into words.

something to do with, not going into the lounge for that reason.

I wonder how many Female DUers choose NOT to go into the lounge for THAT reason.

I am not sure what reason is it you are referring.

And Yes, I want this conversation to be about principles and not personalities and I understand that in the Lounge it is hard to separate the two but, that again brings me to question:

are not our principles a part of our personalities> and if not, why not. and if so, how/where do we separate the two?

Thank you for a thoughtful comment.

[mercuryblues]

11. absolutely

disgusting. So proud of himself, isn't he? The whole op should be deleted. That poster just proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that he is a degenerate.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

12. And I get the hide. I just love irony. Don't you?

[avebury]

13. I finally put the guy on ignore

after that post. He has also posted a lot of questionable stuff about his pets.

[ismnotwasm]

16. Er-- Pets?

Never mind I'm not touching that one

[avebury]

17. I don't think that he had the best

record as a pet owner.

[ismnotwasm]

19. Ah! It all seems so much clearer now

[digonswine]

14. That one has been trolling here for quite some time-

those that condone it are as bad or worse.

[MineralMan]

21. The hosts locked that, and rightfully so.

Sometimes, it takes a bit of time for consensus to be reached by the hosts. We don't usually lock threads until a few hosts have voted to lock. That can take varying amounts of time. That thread was locked by consensus.

[seabeyond]

22. it should have been an easy jury hide. cool host decided to lock. nt

[MineralMan]

29. Yes. I wasn't on that jury.

Juries often do things I think are bizarre.

[sheshe2]

25. Bob is indeed backwards if he thinks his Op is funny.

Shameful to see it at DU, Tuesday.

[F4lconF16]

26. I was on that jury and voted to hide.

This is why the jury system is utterly useless. It's entirely subjective, and changes based on how people are feeling at the time. Here's the results (TA, I sent them to you but figured you wouldn't mind them being posted):
AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service
On Fri Apr 3, 2015, 06:00 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

7 minutes to go
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1018745639

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

"get raped" with a smiley? How about a better choice of words?

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Fri Apr 3, 2015, 06:10 PM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Horrible choice of expression to taint a nice and generous act. Hint, backwoodsbob, rape is never a joke and never, ever a substitute for loving sexual activity, even verbally.
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Gah...I saw the original thread, and really don't want to hide this, but this is NOT appropriate for this site. Rape is not funny, not ever, no exceptions. It will never be a positive thing. To the alerter: you really should have just asked the poster to self delete.
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Wow. Neanderthol.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Backwoods Bob could have used a better word, for sure, but I think it's pretty clear that he doesn't mean "literally" raped. Congratulations to Mrs. Backwoods on the new car.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: If the alerter thinks a better choice of words is appropriate, they should ask the poster, not knee jerk alert on it. Just ask them to edit their post. Sheesh.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

I was #2 btw, but #1 said what I really meant.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

27. Yes. Thanks.

Appreciate it

[peacebird]

28. I agree with 4 & 7, & I am a rape survivor. I thought his post was ok- it was totally clear

what he meant. Good grief.

[F4lconF16]

30. What he meant, yes.

But what was said was entirely different. You know what he sounded like to me? The drunken frat boys that wander past around here on ocassion, laughing about the idea of getting raped by a woman--after all, who wouldn't want that? The 13 year old boys cussing out fags online, saying that they just raped the other team. The men from the MRA movement who use rape as just another verb to describe sex.

Language is critical. It reflects not just ourselves but the society around us. When we use rape interchangably with sex, it diminishes the horror of the act. It normalizes it. It makes it sound...almost acceptable. And even though we may conciously know the difference, it is that among many, many other things that adds up to create an oppressive culture.

Also, you may be okay with it, but let me tell you the number of times I saw my ex flinch when that word was used like this...

[Tuesday Afternoon]

45. Yes, it was Totally Clear and it was an INSULT to his wife and to every rape survivor, you included.

good grief is right.



if only he would have used the word :laid:

cheesus.

:LAID: would still have been tacky, tasteless, materialistic and, juvenile but, at least then,
he would have only insulted his wife and not EVERY RAPE SURVIVOR EVER.

[peacebird]

47. He didn't insult me.

I think you are over reacting.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

48. your choice. and I must say how very gracious of you to choose not to be insulted

because the other option that I conclude for you being NOT insulted would be an insult to your intelligence. capiche?

Sorry but, I am not in the mood.

I personally think this should be a hard line on DU3.

You disagree. fine.

argue. free speech. is what democracy is about and sometimes it ain't pretty.

[JTFrog]

49. Don't tell people they are overreacting.

You don't know who is and who isn't a rape survivor in here.

YOU DON'T GET TO TELL SOMEONE HOW TO REACT. YOU DON'T GET TO CHOOSE SOMEONE ELSE'S TRIGGERS.

Just because you are okay with it doesn't make it any less hurtful or insensitive to others. Maybe have a little compassion for someone other than the gross poster you are defending.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

51. thank you, JTFrog.

[JTFrog]

53. I can feel myself getting drawn back into

the insanity. Funny how that little sliver of hope I had with the departure of AJ90 has already been replaced with the dull ache of futility.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

55. ah, yes ... we won that battle but, the war is still raging on. stay strong, my valiant friend.

[peacebird]

52. Wow. Clearly HoF is a group for me to avoid in future. No one is allowed to disagree w/o abuse.

Have a nice life y'all.

[JTFrog]

54. I'm sorry people didn't buy into your telling them how to feel.

Have a nice day yourself.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

56. my free speech is abuse to you? but, somehow backwoodsbob's free speech was not abuse to

EVERY RAPE SURVIVOR (excluding gracious you, of course)

really?

that is your reasoning?

whatever.

You also have a nice life. Peace.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

50. you realize that over reacting is what MEN have been saying to WOMEN for years.

what an old card you have played there.

sheesh.

[ismnotwasm]

64. You married to that guy?

Huh.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

65. Now it makes sense.

[ismnotwasm]

66. Right?

I mean wow.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

67. Do what??

Are you saying peacebird is married to backwoods bob? Huh?

[ismnotwasm]

68. Isn't that what she said?

Or perhaps I'm not following very well-- but that's how I read it, I don't actually care who is married to who

[Tuesday Afternoon]

69. I guess it is implied in her answer.

I took it to mean that as a rape survivor she did not take it as an insult. I thought maybe she was on the jury. I don't care either just trying to understand the rationale.

[ismnotwasm]

70. Do'h!

Oops. Well I didn't intend insult if that's the case. But I thought everybody already knew to stay out of HOF, because we're a what do our fans say? "Prudes" (thus the thread on mastubation and all of the other many topics on sex; echo chamber" (my personal favorite, given I don't think there's a single one of us who thinks the same way) "uptight" (yeah motherfucker, I'm uptight and all right) "pearl clutchers" (see: prudes--besides of all the insults-- that's the one that reminds me of a certain ZZ Top song, can't help it, I'm uptight like that)

Just how we roll.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

71. I know right.

[BainsBane]

61. "knee jerk alert" ?

On gratuitous references to rape? Obviously he wasn't serious. The issue isn't what he meant. It's that his word choice trivialized a violent crime.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

63. THANK YOU!!!

[awoke_in_2003]

32. The jury system is flawed...

I can't believe some of the things that people have allowed to stand.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

33. and on the other hand, I can't believe some of the things they have hidden.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

36. As with AJ90...

pick a day-old post from the guy & hit alert
and it will go straight to admins...
Detail yr problems with the guy...
You might peruse/include this:

https://www.google.com/search?q=%22backwoodsbob+this+message+was+hidden%22&sitesearch=democraticunderground.com&gws_rd=ssl

[Tuesday Afternoon]

41. Thanks for the link ...

I think I will pass .... pretty sure that MIRt and Admin have heard enough from/about me in the last 24 hours

Anyone else that feels so inclined feel free to make use of the link and decide for yourselves ...

after all Community Standards are up to us ... right?

This is the intention of DU3 as, I understand it.

[CBGLuthier]

57. Ugh.

He could have found a million better ways to say that than the out and out ugliness he used.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

58. any other word and we would not be having this conversation -

and this would all be lounge brouhaha .... #8439

[DonCoquixote]

72. SIGH

The next time people say there is no such thing as priviledge, we can take a list of the stufrf people of certain genders and complexions pull here, and know that if they were nto of said compelxion and gender the guilltine blades would fall.