Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News Editorials & Other Articles General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

billh58

(6,642 posts)
Thu Sep 21, 2017, 11:13 AM Sep 2017

In States Which Like Gun Violence, They Also Like Trump.

- Snip -

With a few exceptions, it appears to be the case that the states where Trump is most popular are also the states which have the highest rate of deaths from guns. And while a majority of these deaths are suicides, no matter what Gun-nut Nation tells you, using a gun to commit suicide isn’t just like jumping out a window or falling off a bridge. Because the fact is that there is no other method you can use to end your own life which is as effective and efficient as using a gun. And when it comes to calling suicide a form of gun violence, I’m sorry but I’ll rely on the definition of violence adopted by the World Health Organization: “the intentional use of physical force or power, threatened or actual, against oneself, another person, or against a group or community, which either results in or has a high likelihood of resulting in injury, death….” Get it? Oneself?

The national gun-violence rate is currently 10.6 per 100,000. With the exception of two states – South Dakota and Nebraska – every other pro-Trump state has a rate of gun homicide/suicide rate (GV) higher than the national average, and in most instances, significantly higher. Alaska leads the entire country with a GV rate of 19.6. Right behind Alaska is Louisiana (19.1), Alabama (17.8), Wyoming (17.5) and Montana (16.9). Two of these states have elevated rates because of suicide (WY,MT), the other two states make the top ten list because residents of those states evidently enjoy shooting guns not so much at themselves, but at others.

If we examine gun-violence rates in states where Trump’s numbers are the worst (less than 40% approval rating and compare his polls in those states to gun-violence rates we discover exactly the reverse. Thus, with the exception of New Mexico, where the gun-violence rate is 15.6, there is not one other anti-Trump state with a gun-violence rate above 11 per 100,000, which is just about the national gun-death average, and 10 of those 17 states have a per-100,000 single-digit rate, beginning with Hawaii’s 2.7, followed by Massachusetts at 3.2.

Looking at these numbers forces me to say that Trump’s continued outbursts invoking, justifying and supporting violence of all sorts isn’t just a symptom of some kind of mental derangement but may reflect his awareness of where his political strength really lies. Because if nothing else, the maps above force us to conclude or at least suggest that residents of pro-Trump states have no great concerns about the most violent form of behavior within their own communities; namely, the violence caused by guns. And if that’s true, you can bet that Trump will take pains to make sure that nothing is done to reduce gun violence in places which believe he will make America great again.

https://mikethegunguy.com/2017/09/06/in-states-which-like-gun-violence-they-also-like-trump/


The right-wing gun culture extremists as represented by the Orange Anus-mouth are living examples of the "Second Amendment solution." Guns for everyone, everywhere, with no restrictions, is the goal of the death merchants and their extremist mouth piece, the NRA.
12 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies

Aristus

(68,664 posts)
1. Shit. If I lived in any of those states, I'd kill myself, too.
Thu Sep 21, 2017, 11:16 AM
Sep 2017

Maybe they're on to something...

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
4. Another spit on the screen post. I do live in one of those states, but prefer to jump into
Thu Sep 21, 2017, 12:37 PM
Sep 2017

Grand Cannon when I finally get where I can't take it any more.

guillaumeb

(42,649 posts)
2. Your ending:
Thu Sep 21, 2017, 11:31 AM
Sep 2017
The right-wing gun culture extremists as represented by the Orange Anus-mouth are living examples of the "Second Amendment solution." Guns for everyone, everywhere, with no restrictions, is the goal of the death merchants and their extremist mouth piece, the NRA.


sounds a bit hyperbolic, unless one follows the NRA rhetoric in which case it is seen as an accurate assessment of the NRA position.

Recommended.
 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
5. You haven't followed posts elsewhere from white wing gun-humpers. There are a lot of them
Thu Sep 21, 2017, 12:39 PM
Sep 2017

and they are vile.

Aristus

(68,664 posts)
7. They're all afraid. Even the hyperaggressive rage-aholics.
Thu Sep 21, 2017, 12:59 PM
Sep 2017

They live in perpetual fear. That's why they have all those guns, and take them to the grocery store and places like that...

It's a terrible thing, to live in fear...

guillaumeb

(42,649 posts)
8. It is indeed.
Thu Sep 21, 2017, 01:02 PM
Sep 2017

Almost as if they believe that all of the Die Hard movies and all the other gun porn movies represent reality.

billh58

(6,642 posts)
9. The "NRA position" is parroted by
Thu Sep 21, 2017, 01:58 PM
Sep 2017

many gun owners even if they disavow the organization politically. The marketing messages of fear have been driven home on so many different levels that the Big Lie has become fact for many of the American gun culture.

This same marketing tactic was used by the same extreme right-wing beginning in the 80s to demonize "Liberals" and to make even the word itself a slur.

The Lee Atwater right-wing marketing plan has been highly successful in these regards.

guillaumeb

(42,649 posts)
10. Very true.
Thu Sep 21, 2017, 03:54 PM
Sep 2017

A nice touch with the final sentence. The GOP is far more successful at framing than governing.

flamin lib

(14,559 posts)
3. If I were deceived by this idiot in chief and thought he'd make everything right
Thu Sep 21, 2017, 12:20 PM
Sep 2017

like he promised I'd probably be suicidal when I realized what I'd done.

mountain grammy

(27,382 posts)
12. interesting map.. cheeto's job approval below 50% in states he "won"
Thu Sep 21, 2017, 08:50 PM
Sep 2017

like PA, MI, and WI. just weird, right?

Latest Discussions»Issue Forums»Gun Control Reform Activism»In States Which Like Gun ...