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applegrove

(123,627 posts)
Wed Sep 27, 2017, 06:15 PM Sep 2017

More Guns Do Not Stop More Crimes, Evidence Shows

By Melinda Wenner Moyer | Scientific American

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/more-guns-do-not-stop-more-crimes-evidence-shows/

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The frequency of self-defense gun use rests at the heart of the controversy over how guns affect our country. Progun enthusiasts argue that it happens all the time. In 1995 Gary Kleck, a criminologist at Florida State University, and his colleague Marc Gertz published a study that elicited what has become one of the gun lobby's favorite numbers. They randomly surveyed 5,000 Americans and asked if they, or another member of the household, had used a gun for self-protection in the past year. A little more than 1 percent of the participants answered yes, and when Kleck and Gertz extrapolated their results, they concluded that Americans use guns for self-defense as many as 2.5 million times a year.

This estimate is, however, vastly higher than numbers from government surveys, such as the National Crime Victimization Survey (NCVS), which is conducted in tens of thousands of households. It suggests that victims use guns for self-defense only 65,000 times a year. In 2015 Hemenway and his colleagues studied five years' worth of NCVS data and concluded that guns are used for self-defense in less than 1 percent of all crimes that occur in the presence of a victim. They also found that self-defense gun use is about as effective as other defensive maneuvers, such as calling for help. “It's not as if you look at the data, and it says people who defend themselves with a gun are much less likely to be injured,” says Philip Cook, an economist at Duke University, who has been studying guns since the 1970s.

Kleck and Getz's survey and the NCVS differ in important ways that could help explain the discrepancy between them. The NCVS first establishes that someone has been the victim of an attack before asking about self-defense gun use, which weeds out yes answers from people who might, say, wave their gun around during a bar fight and call it self-defense. Kleck and Getz's survey could overestimate self-defense use by including such ambiguous uses. Kleck counters that the NCVS might underestimate self-defense because people who do not trust government surveyors will be afraid to admit that they used their gun. Yet people who participate in the NCVS are told at the start that they are protected under federal law and that their responses will remain anonymous.

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A closer look at the who, what, where and why of gun violence also sheds some light on the self-defense claim. Most Americans with concealed carry permits are white men living in rural areas, yet it is young black men in urban areas who disproportionately encounter violence. Violent crimes are also geographically concentrated: Between 1980 and 2008, half of all of Boston's gun violence occurred on only 3 percent of the city's streets and intersections. And in Seattle, over a 14-year-period, every single juvenile crime incident took place on less than 5 percent of street segments. In other words, most people carrying guns have only a small chance of encountering situations in which they could use them for self-defense.


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More Guns Do Not Stop More Crimes, Evidence Shows (Original Post) applegrove Sep 2017 OP
Gun sales are driven by fear. guillaumeb Sep 2017 #1
I love it when white wing gunners justify strapping a gun on to go to the store by Hoyt Sep 2017 #2
Too true, and in fact billh58 Sep 2017 #3
 

Hoyt

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2. I love it when white wing gunners justify strapping a gun on to go to the store by
Wed Sep 27, 2017, 07:44 PM
Sep 2017

talking about violence in South Chicago or something. I always ask them when they were last in South Chicago? Fact is, gunners are typically irrational, afraid of anyone not like them, racists, ignorant, and worse.

To white wing gunners, George Zimmerman's murder of Trayvon Martin is counted as a defensive gun use.

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