Oh you sillies... All this bickering over Obama

[BelgianMadCow]

Oh you sillies... All this bickering over Obama, and all the pet names you have made up for him. You are ALL delusional. It's over folks. The Facists have one. The government is in bed with the corporations and there is nothing you can do about it. When Apple imbeds NSA software in the iPhone...what does that tell you? I suggest you get off this "It's HIS fault" mentality. Wake up.

Found in the comments over at RT. They do their best of making it sound important. They also have the link to the memo.

The Guardian comments are interesting.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

1. “I’m not going to dwell on Mr Snowden’s actions or motivations,”

You know, we really shouldn't dwell on the past but look to the future of better concealed surveillance.

[BelgianMadCow]

2. what's another layer

another story down?

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

3. If we can forgive the past for doing bad things then surely we can

look to a brighter, more transparent tomorrow; one where all our secrets are visible for those that have our best interests at heart.

[BelgianMadCow]

4. every coin has two sides

and the only thing we have to fear, is fear itself.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

5. "Peace and justice are two sides of the same coin." ~Dwight D. Eisenhower

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Speaking of sides this coins has some serious tread to it.

[2naSalit]

6. Enough to make it a three-sided coin! nt

[KoKo]

7. The Guardian Article is a Must Read!

The Guardian Article is a Must Read!

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He's always "the Perfect Lawyer" in his parsing of his speech while the Speech writers do soaring language to try to make him quotable for Posterity. So that the "WOW" factor of his clever Speech Writers overwhelms his obfuscating, waffling "Lawyer Speaks" where the Buck is always passed to Justice Department or "Other Agencies" and Congress to do the work that he doesn't want to commit to or be Held Accountable For!

I read the Transcript of the Speech. It was all over the place saying pretty much nothing that we could count on for reforms...because it's up to "those other guys."

I agree with your post and thanks for the Links.

I think this fits over here with Progressive Media Resources because the Guardian is a voice that we don't get much of over here in the US with our own faltering Media.

I have to get to those COMMENTS to read...but, it's bedtime here in US...Will do tomorrow! And thanks for the Crosspost!


Snips from Guardian:

The president also rejected a recommendation from his handpicked surveillance panel to place judicial oversight over the FBI’s practice of issuing a nonjudicial subpoena known as a National Security Letter for the records of US businesses. But Obama proposed allowing businesses greater, but as yet unspecified, ability to discuss those letters, which are currently under a gag order.

Much of the substance of Obama’s proposals remain undefined. The telephone companies have resisted having to store customer data for additional periods of time on behalf of the NSA, and any new third-party private storehouse of metadata would have to be created from scratch.

The lack of clarity places increasing pressure on Congress to ultimately resolve many of the complexities of surveillance – creating effectively a new round of jockeying on Capitol Hill between privacy advocates and the NSA’s allies, who fear losing what Obama described as a valuable tool for determining domestic connections to terrorism.

"Now it's up to the courts, Congress, and the public to ensure that real reform happens, including stopping all bulk surveillance – not just telephone records collection,” said Cindy Cohn, legal director of the Electronic Freedom Foundation.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jan/17/obama-nsa-reforms-end-storage-americans-call-data#start-of-comments