Uproar breaking out inside MAGA-world over H-1B visas and foreign workers

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

[Klarkashton]

1. This depressed the salaries of American engineers for decades.

Of course they want this. JFC there is no end to this bullshit.

[DallasNE]

2. Missing The Point

Back in the mid-1990’s I decided to try mainframe computer consulting. After being hired I learned that all of the consultants were from India. All had a computer engineering degree. Our area was COBOL. Later I was asked to interview candidates, calling some candidates still living in India. The candidates from India seemed to have a more formal training background and tested out better than the American counterparts.Some had heavy accents and struggled with their English so they had to be passed over. But we continued to hire a majority of India nationals. Y2K was a big player and I hired on with the company I was consulting with.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

7. I have 45 years in the telecommunications business

The reason you don't find as many Americans is that since the Reagan years not as much priority has been towards funding post-secondary education.

When I went to college in the mid-seventies one could work a minimum wage job and afford community college tuition. These days one either has to have wealthy parents, a scholarship or take on massive debt.

Our leaders don't seem to care as much about our children or our future as they once did.

[Old Crank]

3. H1B is for tech companies

That undocumented workers are for farms and construction.

[IronLionZion]

5. Americans can take farm, construction, food processing, restaurant, and cleaning jobs from undocumented workers

Fabulously wealthy tech bros want to keep their H1Bs because it made them fabulously wealthy.

[xocetaceans]

4. At around 08:00 in the video, Bill de Blasio essentially argues for "trickle-down" economics. If tech companies...

...and the GOP do not want to support the levels of education needed to produce "high-quality" engineers in the US by paying their proper share of taxes and are allowed to import labor at a lower cost, at what point will conditions ever favor the creation of better economic conditions for US labor?

So, de Blasio is basically either fundamentally confused or a corporate shill of some form and is just being interviewed for his name recognition and party affiliation. It is unclear that de Blasio actually has any sort of meaningful background in engineering or economics. According to Wikipedia, he has a BA in a subfield of urban planning (metropolitan studies) from NYU and a MIA (master of international affairs) from Columbia. So, he seems neither competent nor qualified to comment on engineering, economics, or education. It makes one wonder why CNN chose to interview him on this topic. He has been a Democratic politician, but beyond being on the opposite side of the current political divide from MAGA, it makes no sense to interpret his opinion on this issue as more than that of a randomly selected man on the street à la Jimmy Kimmel.

Bill de Blasio
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_de_Blasio

"The Contenders: De Blasio's Activism Grew Upon Arrival In The City
By: Grace Rauh 10/15/2013 07:38 PM

After graduating from high school, the Democratic nominee for mayor left Cambridge, Mass. to attend New York University. His activism grew on campus, and soon extended beyond the boundaries of the city, as he shifted his focus to foreign policy. NY1's Grace Rauh filed the following report.


Bill de Blasio arrived at New York University in 1979.

His interest in the city was clear from his choice of majors: Metropolitan Studies.
...

De Blasio went on to get a Master's Degree from Columbia's School of International and Public Affairs.

...."

https://archive.ph/20140926023840/http://www.ny1.com/content/politics/special_report_the_contenders/190506/the-contenders--de-blasio-s-activism-grew-upon-arrival-in-the-city#selection-1885.0-1885.102

"Bill de Blasio, NYC mayor, announces presidential bid
By — Karen Matthews, Associated Press
May 16, 2019 9:08 AM EST

...

Born in New York City, de Blasio grew up in the Boston area and has provoked New York sports fans by rooting ardently for the Boston Red Sox. He graduated from New York University and earned a master’s degree from Columbia University’s School of International and Public Affairs.

...."

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/bill-de-blasio-nyc-mayor-announces-presidential-bid

This sort of take on labor is why Democrats lost the election. If macro-economic conditions are always the primary concern and the conditions which actual labor faces are only secondary concerns, Democrats will continue to underperform, fail to get the voters to turn out, and lose elections. It is always the lived economy that matters to voters, not promises of a future economic upturn. So, on this issue the "MAGA" voters/base/world as CNN wishes erroneously to label them are correct. Musk and Ramaswamy only want cheap, disposable labor (however talented) to pad corporate bottom lines and that does not help US labor.

[IronLionZion]

6. Excellent let them fight each other

MAGA in disarray

US citizens like me magically become H1Bs during every American recession anyway.

For any DUers still uncertain about why the tech industry loves foreign workers, especially Indian, it's because you probably own a home and have some roots in your community. IT consulting/contracting means moving every few months. Think about anyone you know who serves in the military, but subtract any hope of reimbursement for the moving costs.

Contract jobs might only last a few months and then you're let go. Unemployed. Often without any notice because the client cut funding. Culturally, Americans prefer to be unemployed for a few months than move every few months. I've done plenty of both.

In American culture, being let go garners more sympathy from our fellow Americans than driving cross country with only what fits in my car to take the next job for a few months. We like to own homes and be involved in our community. Moving every few months is looked down upon as a low class migrant lifestyle. It's undesirable for most Americans.