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TexasTowelie

(117,934 posts)
Sat Jan 4, 2025, 08:44 AM Jan 4

'He's very angry': Haberman on Trump's reaction to NY hush money case - CNN



President-elect Donald Trump will face no legal penalties for his conviction in the hush money case, a New York judge ruled. Judge Juan Merchan, however, upheld Trump’s conviction in the case, rejecting the president-elect’s effort to throw out the jury’s verdict because of his reelection. CNN's Paula Reid reports and CNN political analyst Maggie Haberman along with a panel of experts join CNN’s Wolf Blitzer.
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'He's very angry': Haberman on Trump's reaction to NY hush money case - CNN (Original Post) TexasTowelie Jan 4 OP
This should be good bucolic_frolic Jan 4 #1
At least THAT judge. Grins Jan 4 #13
"Will no one rid me of this troublesome judge?" SCantiGOP Jan 4 #16
I'll guess Merchan states "you are a convicted felon" and gives him probation underpants Jan 4 #2
Judge has announced that there will be no jail time. 3Hotdogs Jan 4 #4
How about an ankle monitor? n/t LastLiberal in PalmSprings Jan 4 #7
How about the orange jumpsuit ? Seinan Sensei Jan 4 #18
I always though being President pfitz59 Jan 4 #23
I think he's angry because his idiot supporters believe he's not really a felon unless he's sentenced. Baitball Blogger Jan 4 #3
How true! GreenWave Jan 4 #22
He's still a piece of shit. Turbineguy Sunday #29
whaaaaaaah. The F'n, murdering, orange RAPIST, TRAITOR** is angry. niyad Jan 4 #5
There will be no jail and no probation. tetedur Jan 4 #6
In America, no man is above the law. LastLiberal in PalmSprings Jan 4 #8
I think he should be fined one dollar. rickford66 Jan 4 #9
No punishment? Justice matters. Jan 4 #10
Why not 3 days in jail? Captain Zero Sunday #26
It seems to be only human FEAR of any retaliation from (sad to say) Justice matters. Sunday #27
Tough noogies, shitler. Mc Mike Jan 4 #11
Good. Ocelot II Jan 4 #12
I hope he gets so angry that he goes into cardiac arrest during his stupid YMCA dance. Crowman2009 Jan 4 #14
I think tsf should be forced to pay for the entire trial Blappy Jan 4 #15
Please tell me something else that makes me happy. badhair77 Jan 4 #17
Always knew there would be no jail time. Katinfl Jan 4 #19
Wilhoit's Law usonian Jan 4 #20
Quote from CNN Anchor: "THERE IS SOME GOOD NEWS HERE!" Meaning no jail time. That is not GOOD news. usaf-vet Jan 4 #21
The conviction doesn't go away pfitz59 Jan 4 #24
As a convicted felon, TFG aka The Felon Guy has to submit a DNA sample to the New York criminal data base LetMyPeopleVote Sunday #25
When is he not angry Bristlecone Sunday #28
ONE. Trump's always angry. Sometimes he's very angry. no_hypocrisy Yesterday #30

3Hotdogs

(13,704 posts)
4. Judge has announced that there will be no jail time.
Sat Jan 4, 2025, 09:18 AM
Jan 4

Given that, I would support community service. Maybe a day of Anal Fistula picking up litter in a park.

pfitz59

(11,084 posts)
23. I always though being President
Sat Jan 4, 2025, 05:24 PM
Jan 4

was the epitome of 'Community Service'. Until the ultimate self-server, Trump arrived on the scene.

Baitball Blogger

(48,675 posts)
3. I think he's angry because his idiot supporters believe he's not really a felon unless he's sentenced.
Sat Jan 4, 2025, 09:00 AM
Jan 4

So, now with the sentencing they'll have to resort to, well, it wasn't bad enough to be jailed.

niyad

(121,065 posts)
5. whaaaaaaah. The F'n, murdering, orange RAPIST, TRAITOR** is angry.
Sat Jan 4, 2025, 09:52 AM
Jan 4

So fucking what??? WE are angry that this piece of filth, hatred, cruelty and ignorance will once again soil the People's House. Frankly, I hope he gets so angry that he strokes out.

tetedur

(1,110 posts)
6. There will be no jail and no probation.
Sat Jan 4, 2025, 09:56 AM
Jan 4
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2025/01/03/trump-new-york-hush-money-conviction-sentence/

New York Supreme Court Justice Juan Merchan wrote in his ruling that he does not intend to sentence Trump to jail. He said he plans to order an “unconditional discharge,” a designation in New York criminal courts for a non-jail and non-probation sentence that carries no other obligations.


So what is left? A pat on the head? Go and sin no more? HA.

Trump was never going to be held responsible for his crimes. The Supreme Court and the District Courts just had to bend themselves into pretzels to get him off the hook and then all is well until he commits other crimes. But we know ahead of time now, you can charge him, you can convict him but you cannot punish him. He has gotten away with it all his life and he will continue.

Captain Zero

(7,609 posts)
26. Why not 3 days in jail?
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 09:26 PM
Sunday

And say he can serve it before he takes office or after he leaves?

I heard on LegalAF others could have got 1.25-4 years for this. Why not at least give him 3 days?

Didn't Cohen and Weisselberg get some time for their parts in these crimes? Or was their time for other things?

Justice matters.

(7,644 posts)
27. It seems to be only human FEAR of any retaliation from (sad to say)
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 09:39 PM
Sunday

the upcoming most powerful individual in the world (a convicted felon with no morals and no human qualities).

At least he was convicted 34 times for 34 felonies... and he can't set foot on a number of countries (by their laws).

Ocelot II

(121,853 posts)
12. Good.
Sat Jan 4, 2025, 10:09 AM
Jan 4

He was never going to jail, though, and it was always totally unrealistic to think that he ever would. White-collar defendants almost never get jail time unless it's for something pretty extreme, e.g., Bernie Madoff. The actual crimes Trump was convicted of involved the falsification of business records - something hardly anybody goes to jail for. The maximum sentence as a Class E felony is four years in prison and a fine of up to $5,000. However, the exact penalty will depend on a range of factors, including the defendant's criminal history and other circumstances. I found only a couple of cases where the perps got prison sentences - one where a rental car company manager falsified customer rental agreements and one where a CEO altered the company's financial records to reflect false revenue numbers in order to mislead investors and shareholders and boost its stock price. Both of these cases involved financial losses to members of the general public, which might have been a factor in the prison sentences.

Trump certainly deserves more punishment than he's going to get, but the fact that he's very, very angry shows that just the fact of the 34 felony convictions is a significant penalty to him. He will go down in history as the only president inaugurated as a convicted felon and there's not a damn thing he can do about it. The hit to his ego is massive and I love it.

Blappy

(145 posts)
15. I think tsf should be forced to pay for the entire trial
Sat Jan 4, 2025, 10:34 AM
Jan 4

He is most definitely guilty after all. No penalty whatsoever is a kick in the groin to the rule of law, to the jurors and to the taxpayers. Absolutely disgusting.

Katinfl

(274 posts)
19. Always knew there would be no jail time.
Sat Jan 4, 2025, 11:33 AM
Jan 4

He was never going to serve any time and it was foolish to ever think he would. I seem to recall hearing that in NY you are not a “convicted” felon until sentencing. Think maybe the judge wants to make the convictions legal and on record, therefore the “sentencing”. This judge is making the statement that the jury found him guilty on all counts and that decision could not/should not be tossed aside. A jury of his peers came to that decision. So it will go down in the history books that we had a convicted felon in the Oval Office, but with no consequences. Go figure. Justice is not equal, but at least he will have received a sentence, however meaningless. I bet the judge will give a pretty rough tongue lashing though. IMO.

usonian

(15,109 posts)
20. Wilhoit's Law
Sat Jan 4, 2025, 11:42 AM
Jan 4
https://slate.com/business/2022/06/wilhoits-law-conservatives-frank-wilhoit.html

Frank Wilhoit: “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” This seems increasingly true.


THAT SAID, there's a certain irony in this.

The core belief of maga is cruelty.
Make others suffer.



And if this triggers the Malicious Mandarin even more, great.
Schadenfreude post here:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=19863580
THIS SHOULD CHEER YOU UP.


usaf-vet

(7,096 posts)
21. Quote from CNN Anchor: "THERE IS SOME GOOD NEWS HERE!" Meaning no jail time. That is not GOOD news.
Sat Jan 4, 2025, 11:50 AM
Jan 4

Slanting the announcement....... were the first words out of her mouth.

pfitz59

(11,084 posts)
24. The conviction doesn't go away
Sat Jan 4, 2025, 05:26 PM
Jan 4

The charges don't go away. He just doesn't serve time. Still a felon. No exoneration.

LetMyPeopleVote

(156,290 posts)
25. As a convicted felon, TFG aka The Felon Guy has to submit a DNA sample to the New York criminal data base
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 09:11 PM
Sunday

This makes me smile



no_hypocrisy

(49,461 posts)
30. ONE. Trump's always angry. Sometimes he's very angry.
Mon Jan 13, 2025, 03:51 AM
Yesterday

TWO. Trump got away with murder as far as punishment. Instead of being relieved, he's "very angry" because he's been held accountable, and on The Record, for not one, but 38 felonies. It's one thing to go bankrupt, but it was the money of banks, not him personally, that lost the money. It's another thing to be publicly humiliated and to not present a perfect, stellar image.

THREE. Judge Merchan is out of reach for Trump to exact revenge. THIS has got to bother him more than anything.

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