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Uncle Joe

(60,331 posts)
Thu Jan 9, 2025, 01:48 PM Thursday

L.A. Fires Should Be a Climate Wake-Up Call: 5 Dead, 130K+ Evacuated in Uncontained Apocalypse



Raging wildfires continue to scorch communities across the Los Angeles area, killing at least five people, displacing about 100,000 more and destroying thousands of structures. With firefighters unable to contain much of the blaze, the toll is expected to rise. The wildfires that started Tuesday caught much of the city by surprise, quickly growing into one of the worst fire disasters in Los Angeles history. Mayor Karen Bass and the City Council have come under criticism for cutting the fire department's budget by around 2% last year while the police department saw a funding increase. Nearly 400 incarcerated firefighters are among those who have been deployed to battle the fires. Journalist Sonali Kolhatkar, who evacuated her home to flee the destruction, says it has been "frustrating" to watch the corporate media's coverage of the fires. "No one is talking about climate change in the media," she says. We also speak with journalist John Vaillant, author of _Fire Weather: On the Front Lines of a Burning World_, who says the L.A. wildfires should be a wake-up call. "This blind — frankly, suicidal — loyalty to the status quo of keeping fossil fuels preeminent in our energy system is creating an increasingly difficult situation and unlivable situation," says Vaillant.

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L.A. Fires Should Be a Climate Wake-Up Call: 5 Dead, 130K+ Evacuated in Uncontained Apocalypse (Original Post) Uncle Joe Thursday OP
400 incarcerated firefighters?? bucolic_frolic Thursday #1
Yes, I was alarmed there are so many criminal firefighters! AloeVera Thursday #2
Not really humorous Cirsium Thursday #5
I agree with you there. Nothing funny about prison labour.. AloeVera Thursday #9
Thanks Cirsium Thursday #11
Incarcerated Workers Cirsium Thursday #3
slavery Be Leave On Thursday #10
Alabama Cirsium Thursday #12
How many millions of tons of carbon Unladen Swallow Thursday #4
Trump blames Newsom,... Eyeball_Kid Thursday #6
The Republicans seemed to be arguing opposite sides of the issue. Uncle Joe Thursday #7
There are no schools, stores, pharmacies, banks, churches or businesses. More than 2 cities, all of it gone. onecaliberal Thursday #8
If you haven't read "Fire Weather" by John Vailliant (featured in the video) you should . . . hatrack Thursday #13

bucolic_frolic

(47,925 posts)
1. 400 incarcerated firefighters??
Thu Jan 9, 2025, 01:51 PM
Thursday

400 firefighters are in jail? I think they mean inmates are augmenting the number of firefighters.

AloeVera

(2,133 posts)
2. Yes, I was alarmed there are so many criminal firefighters!
Thu Jan 9, 2025, 01:59 PM
Thursday

You are correct, of course.

Though I hope the inmates received at least SOME training. It's dangerous work.

Cirsium

(1,254 posts)
5. Not really humorous
Thu Jan 9, 2025, 02:07 PM
Thursday

Prison labor is a horrific ongoing and widespread abuse of human rights.

AloeVera

(2,133 posts)
9. I agree with you there. Nothing funny about prison labour..
Thu Jan 9, 2025, 02:57 PM
Thursday

The whole idea of using inmates to fight dangerous wildfires that likely they had no or minimal training for demonsttes how little human rights they are accorded.

But mea culpa. My little "joke" was not appropriate here.

Cirsium

(1,254 posts)
3. Incarcerated Workers
Thu Jan 9, 2025, 02:05 PM
Thursday

Yes, incarcerated firefighters is the term commonly used. I would hope that you would have as much of an issue with the practice as you do with the terminology.

From Fighting Wildfires to Digging Graves, Incarcerated Workers Face Danger on the Job

Incarcerated people comprise 30 percent of all wildland firefighting crews in California. The firefighters’ job is to clear areas surrounding a wildfire using chainsaws and hand tools, such as axes and rakes, to starve the fire of fuel. The work is as dangerous as it sounds; compared to other firefighters, incarcerated people fighting wildfires are four times more likely to sustain physical injuries—like cuts, bruises, dislocations, and fractures—and eight times more likely to suffer from the effects of smoke inhalation.

...

While incarcerated California firefighters choose to work, many other incarcerated workers are not allowed a choice at all. The 13th Amendment ended slavery in the United States, but a loophole allows people convicted of crimes to be forced to work. In some states, prison officials can force people in their custody to work for nothing. Yet, even in states that do offer pay, like California, the wages offered are often shockingly low. Each year, states extract an estimated $11 billion in goods and services from the labor of incarcerated people who are paid little or nothing, often in unsafe conditions. Sixty-four percent of people working behind bars say that they fear for their safety, and 70 percent say they have not received formal training.

Incarcerated firefighters have some of the highest rates of injury among all prison workers, but they are far from the only people in prisons working incredibly dangerous jobs for meager pay.

https://www.vera.org/news/from-fighting-wildfires-to-digging-graves-incarcerated-workers-face-danger-on-the-job

Be Leave On

(16 posts)
10. slavery
Thu Jan 9, 2025, 03:31 PM
Thursday

Slavery was outlawed in the USA, except in the cases of convicted prisoners.
All slavery should be abolished.

Cirsium

(1,254 posts)
12. Alabama
Thu Jan 9, 2025, 03:46 PM
Thursday
Fast Food Chains Use Forced Prison Labor in Alabama — and Workers Are Often Denied Parole

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Unladen Swallow

(491 posts)
4. How many millions of tons of carbon
Thu Jan 9, 2025, 02:07 PM
Thursday

are being put into the atmosphere from the fires themselves?

Eyeball_Kid

(7,590 posts)
6. Trump blames Newsom,...
Thu Jan 9, 2025, 02:16 PM
Thursday

which, in a more rational universe, should be enough to certify Trump as a psychiatric poster boy. Instead, we'll have to pretend that the jury is still out, global warming is a communist plot, and the GOP is saturated with the ideological descendants of Thomas Jefferson and Henry Clay. These next four years will be like nothing anyone has ever seen or expected-- unless Trump goes lifeless with a stroke or aneurysm, which would be greeted world-wide with joy and celebration. We should be so lucky.

Uncle Joe

(60,331 posts)
7. The Republicans seemed to be arguing opposite sides of the issue.
Thu Jan 9, 2025, 02:25 PM
Thursday

On the one hand they contend that 6+ billion people burning fossil fuels 24/7 can't possibly have an impact on the climate and eco-systems.

On the other they claim that "Democrats are controlling the weather."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/10/10/government-controls-weather-marjorie-taylor-greene-conspiracy/75607365007/

Apparently we have the power to control the weather, but not Congress.

Furthermore, don't look for your answers to Zuckerberg owned Facebook, he doesn't believe in truth, just greed and power.

 

onecaliberal

(36,594 posts)
8. There are no schools, stores, pharmacies, banks, churches or businesses. More than 2 cities, all of it gone.
Thu Jan 9, 2025, 02:53 PM
Thursday

This is apocalyptic.

But do go on about how anyone could have done a better job so you can criticize the black mayor.

hatrack

(61,348 posts)
13. If you haven't read "Fire Weather" by John Vailliant (featured in the video) you should . . .
Thu Jan 9, 2025, 10:30 PM
Thursday

Brilliant reporting and absolutely chilling. And it's about the Fort McMurray fire, which was 9 years ago, and took out most of a city of 100,000 people, along with 1.5 million acres of boreal forest.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Fort_McMurray_wildfire

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