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Cirsium

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44. They are not connected
Fri Dec 13, 2024, 06:56 PM
Dec 13

The expressions of public outrage were triggered by the murder. Otherwise, there is no connection such as the one you are trying to make.

No one is trying to sell the idea that the murder was self-defense. You must know that.

I agree with this:

In my 35 years as a filmmaker, have I said or done anything that has implied I condone murder? As a teenager during the Vietnam War, I was required to register for the draft at the local draft board. There was a box on the form asking me if I had a problem with killing Vietnamese people. Actually, it just asked me to check the box if I was going to file for Conscientious Objector status — meaning, if given the opportunity, would I swear that I would never kill a Vietnamese person. I checked the box. Throughout my adult life, I have repeatedly stated that I’m a pacifist. In fact, I have never struck another human in my life. Not even on the playground. I was taller and bigger than the other boys so they mostly left me alone. Usually I was the one who would try to stop the bullies from picking on the smaller kids. When they’d start swinging at me, I would wrap my arms around them, pinning their arms to their sides in my “human straitjacket” and not letting them go until they stopped.

Here’s a sad statistic for you: In the United States, we have a whopping 1.4 million people employed with the job of DENYING HEALTH CARE, vs only 1 million doctors in the entire country! That’s all you need to know about America. We pay more people to deny care than to give it. 1 million doctors to give care, 1.4 million brutes in cubicles doing their best to stop doctors from giving that care. If the purpose of “health care” is to keep people alive, then what is the purpose of DENYING PEOPLE HEALTH CARE? Other than to kill them? I definitely condemn that kind of murder. And in fact, I already did. In 2007, I made a film – SICKO – about America’s bloodthirsty, profit-driven and murderous health insurance system. It was nominated for an Oscar. It’s the second-largest grossing film of my career (after Fahrenheit 9/11). And over the past 15 years, millions upon millions of people have watched it including, apparently, Luigi Mangione.

After the killing of the CEO of United HealthCare, the largest of these billion dollar insurance companies, there was an immediate OUTPOURING of anger toward the health insurance industry. Some people have stepped forward to condemn this anger. I am not one of them.

https://www.michaelmoore.com/p/a-manifesto-against-for-profit-health

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So the murder was really self defense? FBaggins Dec 13 #1
Silly. H2O Man Dec 13 #2
Self defense has to be immediate. NutmegYankee Dec 13 #4
You're purposely twisting and lying about her comments ThePartyThatListens Dec 13 #8
Not at all FBaggins Dec 13 #11
What do you mean? Quiet Em Dec 13 #14
"This is not to say that an act of violence is justified, but..." FBaggins Dec 13 #32
Did you even listen to every word she said? Quiet Em Dec 13 #37
I saw no need to FBaggins Dec 13 #39
Her language was not the problem Quiet Em Dec 13 #42
"The murder was a direct cause of the conversation that followed." FBaggins Dec 13 #45
AOC and most people are not validating Mangione's motives. Quiet Em Dec 13 #46
Well, I think making a medical decision, or rather a financial decision, Susan Calvin Dec 14 #52
Assuming intentions lildDemz Dec 14 #57
She's trying to explain how it got to this point and that we shouldn't be shocked. Cuthbert Allgood Dec 13 #20
No. She's saying the murder brought about a discussion Quiet Em Dec 13 #10
Please stop. ShazzieB Dec 13 #16
Not buying what you're selling because she said nothing of the sort. Autumn Dec 13 #29
Which side are you on? Emile Dec 13 #30
Answer is obvious: Not the Democratic side. n/t Hellbound Hellhound Dec 13 #33
What is the Democratic side? PennRalphie Dec 14 #58
The anti-murder side FBaggins Dec 13 #38
Well, if what some health insurance companies have been documented as doing Susan Calvin Dec 14 #53
a quick google search showed me that misinterpreting AOC is a hot topic in the right wing sphere. Quiet Em Dec 13 #43
Which murder are you referring to? Bluetus Dec 13 #41
They are not connected Cirsium Dec 13 #44
your reading comprehension skills azureblue Dec 14 #55
She was ForgedCrank Dec 13 #3
I disagree... Think. Again. Dec 13 #5
You are misquoting her. soldierant Dec 13 #13
This is exactly correct! ShazzieB Dec 13 #22
This message was self-deleted by its author ShazzieB Dec 13 #23
Well I'll say it: denying treatment to people with health problems is an act of violence. Voltaire2 Dec 13 #47
I'm inclined soldierant Dec 14 #61
So you tell me (true story) Horse with no Name Dec 13 #18
She's becoming one of my favorites. BannonsLiver Dec 13 #6
Has always been one of my favorites Arazi Dec 13 #34
K&R orangecrush Dec 13 #7
It's emotional/psychological violence. patphil Dec 13 #9
+1 dalton99a Dec 13 #12
HELL Yeah! calimary Dec 13 #19
It is well known Farmer-Rick Dec 13 #27
rejection of claims is real bad framing, it is frequently denial of treatment. Voltaire2 Dec 13 #48
That It Does. GB_RN Dec 14 #54
There are places on the internet that sell "GOP - Greed Over People" bumper stickers. patphil Dec 14 #59
Thanks For That GB_RN Dec 14 #60
Eating the rich may be the only working alternative left for some of us. Ford_Prefect Dec 13 #15
Secrets in the sauce! questionseverything Dec 13 #21
can I just compost them? I'm vegan. nt. Voltaire2 Dec 15 #65
K&R ReRe Dec 13 #17
so if repukes use the same logic when shooting abortion doctors Skittles Dec 13 #24
The word that came to mind when I read this post was "disingenuous." ShazzieB Dec 13 #26
Be in mind, UHC employees have been threatened with firing if they don't toe the party line. n/t Hellbound Hellhound Dec 13 #28
well that there is the poster child for false equivalence. nt. Voltaire2 Dec 13 #49
why? Skittles Dec 13 #50
or their warped logic azureblue Dec 14 #56
who thinks it is fine to kill people by denying coverage Skittles Dec 14 #63
" I deny you the privilege to live, but I'll take your money" is no better than shooting someone in the back. Hellbound Hellhound Dec 13 #25
Well the way this works is as follows BeyondGeography Dec 13 #31
Playing goody two shoes sure isn't working malaise Dec 13 #36
THIS malaise Dec 13 #35
AOC rocks. Celerity Dec 13 #40
It is indeed often a life-threatening act of violence, when it isn't a sentence to a life of pain and misery. Martin68 Dec 14 #51
It's not violence as much as greed. LeftInTX Dec 14 #62
This woman has a BIG future! I hope I live a long time and am able to watch and support her, liberalla Dec 15 #64
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