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Yavin4

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21. My answer to you.

Reply to Self Esteem (Reply #16)

Sun Dec 15, 2024, 06:11 PM

Dec 15

The second you run an independent, the question will be asked, "who will you caucus with?"

Few will ask that question. If they do, just don't answer it.

Maybe it marginally boosts them compared to a rando Democrat. But we have ample evidence that even indies running in Republican-leaning states stand little chance of winning.

Dan Osborn ran in deep red Nebraska and lost by seven-points. Yeah, he did better than Democrats have done ... but better means little if you're not going to win.

You contradicted your own point.

As for your other examples, did any of those candidates run as a strong Progressive?

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In some states, the Democratic party's brand is so toxic, that it may be a good idea to run independent candidates [View all] Yavin4 Dec 15 OP

Do they want the Democratic Party and Democratic donors to help finance and support their run Quiet Em Dec 15 #1

They would have to fund their own campaigns. Yavin4 Dec 15 #4

and I assume run on the Independent ballot line. Quiet Em Dec 15 #6

Right, but no Democratic challenger. Yavin4 Dec 15 #8

Oh. That's not going to happen. Quiet Em Dec 15 #11

So, you would rather have a Republican in office? Yavin4 Dec 15 #14

Democrats are not going to abandon some States so that this new party Quiet Em Dec 15 #23

It's not a new party. Yavin4 Dec 15 #28

It already happened in Nebraska - Dan Osborn got 47% of the vote HereForTheParty Dec 15 #30

Democrats put millions into helping Osborn in the final weeks. Quiet Em Dec 15 #36

Hide and Run strategy for anti-Democratic candidates delisen Dec 16 #56

I do not think the national has been doing much for some really good Arkansas candidates. LiberalArkie Dec 15 #35

Wrong. LisaM Dec 15 #2

Not in a lot of states. We're talking deep red states like OH. n/t Yavin4 Dec 15 #5

It won't move the needle JustAnotherGen Dec 16 #55

Very sad OP. Irish_Dem Dec 15 #3

Sad, but it's reality. Yavin4 Dec 15 #7

I'm not sure you understand what your OP means. Irish_Dem Dec 15 #9

Enlighten me. n/t Yavin4 Dec 15 #12

Far too ForgedCrank Dec 15 #39

I agree. Yavin4 Dec 15 #45

100% nailed it DeepWinter Dec 16 #52

Exactly. Patton French Dec 16 #53

The propaganda is so strong in some states RANDYWILDMAN Dec 15 #10

So we're going to fix stupid by not running Democratic candidates? dem4decades Dec 15 #27

I disagree. Buzz cook Dec 15 #13

Dems would have to run MAGAs in my state, because our party is so toxic here. Bo Zarts Dec 15 #15

Independents don't win unless they align with the party that dominates the state. Self Esteem Dec 15 #16

My answer to you. Yavin4 Dec 15 #21

Your answers are not sufficient. Self Esteem Dec 16 #58

Also... Yavin4 Dec 15 #22

A lot of "independents" just won't admit Captain Zero Dec 15 #46

So? Self Esteem Dec 16 #59

Dan Osborn said he wouldn't caucus with Democrats HereForTheParty Dec 15 #33

If the independent candidate is a strong progressive, then the Dems won't run an opposition candidate. Yavin4 Dec 15 #48

And he still lost. Self Esteem Dec 16 #60

Welcome to Michigan JustABozoOnThisBus Dec 15 #17

We're not talking about states like MI. Yavin4 Dec 15 #20

True, MI is not deep red. Yet. JustABozoOnThisBus Dec 16 #50

Giving away all the votes from those who vote straight ticket too MichMan Dec 15 #32

When a billion-plus and an incredibly qualified presidential candidate doesn't do it, I don't know what will. Noel Kums Dec 15 #18

Interesting point. Raven123 Dec 15 #19

Exactly. That's the point. Yavin4 Dec 15 #25

So we'd be a two party Democratic Party. BunkieBandit Dec 15 #38

Y'all really can't see how this blows up in our faces, can you? Blue_Tires Dec 15 #34

No Raven123 Dec 15 #42

Thank goodness you're not running the party, then Blue_Tires Dec 15 #49

I don't know how much energy I have to put into it The Wandering Harper Dec 15 #24

How about run as a fake Repug and switch to Dem once elected? JoseBalow Dec 15 #26

Seems to be all the rage in Republican circles Bettie Dec 16 #57

I think the Republican party is equally toxic in other states nt doc03 Dec 15 #29

Post removed Post removed Dec 15 #31

K&R P.C.L.D. Dec 15 #47

No, no, NO!! BunkieBandit Dec 15 #37

If the candidate refuses to pledge to caucus with Democrats, I always think it is a big deal risk that they may join tritsofme Dec 15 #40

In a Coke/Pepsi America telling people to vote for RC Cola is not good for the big brand. ZonkerHarris Dec 15 #41

We're not toxic liberalmediaaddict Dec 15 #43

This message was self-deleted by its author Ars Longa Dec 15 #44

im kinda thinking it the repugs that need to go indy samnsara Dec 16 #51

Ceding linguistucs to Repugs is not a winning strategy sunnybrook Dec 16 #54

Bernie. Again ismnotwasm Dec 16 #61

There is a difference between Independent BunkieBandit Dec 16 #62

Could be, at least here hurl Dec 16 #63